Somebody think of the poor corporations!
I experienced true happiness for a moment. Only one moment.
Why is it only available in such a limited number of states?
This is the first launch of the program and they’re still in a pilot phase. It will presumably roll out to more states (maybe all?) Next year
Well I don’t reward laziness and this should have been running in the late 90s.
I guess I’ll just file my taxes when the lazy IRS gets off their asses.
The IRS could not legally do this before. They had tried and were sued.
According to their website it could roll out to more states as soon as mid March of this year.
Good thing Intuit (TurboTax) is fighting so hard to keep the current format super slick and cheaper as a private service rather than a centralized government process. Right up there with disbanding garbage pickup in favor of individually contracted services because [checks notes] 7 overlapping truck routes will be cheaper than 1
As a non US citizen this is just a Robin Williams in Jumanji moment…
WHAT YEAR IS IT?!?!
Anyways, welcome to the year of the interwebs.
Have you got rid of your cheques and faxes yet? 😉
I still write 2 cheques a year because my water bill can only be paid via physical mail (or in person I guess), I’m pretty sure fax is still common in our medical industry.
Oh we can file our taxes online, we’re just required to pay massive amounts of money to a corporate middleman to do it.
Oh we can ___, we’re just required to pay massive amounts of money to a corporate middleman to do it.
Basically America.
interwebs
It’s called “the information superhighway”, thank you very much. 😄
The Great Series of Tubes
It’s not a big truck you just dump something on
Saw that on Netflix, addicting.
I’m in the USA and we’ve been able to file our federal taxes for free online for like a decade, I’m not sure what these people are talking about. What’s new here is that this is the IRS’s official tool.
Previously we had to use an outside service – but it was – and still is – free for normal people/people with normal taxes (eg I have 3 kids and a mortgage and I use it every year). State taxes are another story – that’s usually about $20. And that probably hasn’t changed; state taxes have nothing to do with our IRS.
Except for the last several years it’s becoming harder to file for free. TurboTax’s free service developed some worse and worse dark patterns every year, where it was very easy to click the wrong thing and end up being charged. Iirc the fact that they provided a free service at all was to keep control of the market and prevent the IRS from stepping in with a service like this. ProPublica did some good investigations on this.
Beat me to it.
Higher tax bracket Lemmings, note that Donate icon in the upper right of their excellent reporting. Reporters probably risking their lives with the stuff they uncover about the most powerful people.
I still write checks, mostly to pay contractors and tip my hairdresser. I wrote a tip for a contractor the other day and made it out to cash. He said that was too old-school and he was afraid the bank wouldn’t accept it!
my wife is disputing a Healthcare charge. Went to a specialist 13 times, they reimbursed us 9 times but not the other 4, at a cost of about $800.
we have to communicate with the appeals center by fax, and wait for their snail mail response.
If you lived in a state not listed here, the District of Columbia, or a U.S. territory, Direct File won’t support your tax filing needs.
Ok so here in DC we don’t get a voting representative, senators, or that free software other states get. Got it.
it’s a soft launch of only 13 states. they’ll roll it out to everyone next year probably
Thanks Brandon
Honestly I’ll hope reservations and congratulations till after we see how it goes, but the fact it’s a limited pilot makes me optimistic.
the fact it’s a limited pilot makes me optimistic
:-/
I’ve seen far too many good ideas go through a “limited pilot” program, outperform their intended targets, piss off someone in the DC corporate circuit, and get their budgets vaporized by the next Congress.
Yeah small programs are easy to pivot, double edged sword in a political environment
I don’t understand the praise here. 1040EZ is about as simple as it gets, and it’s free to file.
Then figure it out because people have been talking about it for a long time.
1040EZ hasn’t been a thing since 2018.
a basic tax return then. don’t be pedantic. it’s a simple as following some fucking directions. i haven’t filed a simple return in almost 20 years so EXCUSE my mistake. The IRS is cancer and shouldn’t be praised in any way shape of form.
Who are you to call anyone or anything a cancer when you’re so obviously ignorant of basic information, the attitude comes across like an old man yelling at clouds.
Even if they were a cancer it’s not like it changes without improvement. Your entire premise is destructive and useless.
Keep defending the hand that holds you down.
Damn only like 20 years behind the rest of the world.
Couldn’t hear you over the sound of my freedom
…nevermind, that was somebody rolling coal
can’t use it if i got my health insurance through obamacare? -_- fucking bullshit
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to use it, since it doesn’t list capital gains as a supported type of income
Unless that’s also related to it being a pilot
I’m sure it’ll support everything the irs accepts eventually
I’d be down with a system that literally just says, “This is what we have on record for you, would you like to file this or dispute it?” Considering they get copies of all your tax documents.
That’s uhhh… That’s corporate America for you.
Yeah. Hey was your username previously (if abbreviated) SMCF?
Nope. It comes from an old Army nickname for mortarmen.
Ah OK! There’s another user with Maggoty in their name then. Yours is much much tamer :)
I’m 100% for a simple IRS tax return but what the heck is with this?
To use Direct File, you need an IRS account with ID.me.
To get an ID.me account, you need to:
Take a video of your face
If you can’t or don’t want to take a video of your face, you can have a video call with an ID.me agent who will confirm that your face matches your identification.
Is that really necessary???
You’d think a social insurance number would be enough…
Social Security number WAS NOT made to be an ID. It’s not a secure unique number, it’s just serial.
Oh I didn’t know that. It kinda works like that in my country
In a country with proper citizen identification it might be (but even then, doubtful).
It’s the same as going to a bank and letting the teller look at your face. It’s to prevent someone from stealing your identity using a picture of your ID.
How can they verify the ID is real without physically seeing it? They look up the info but still need to verify that you are the person on the ID.
Ok but how come H&R Block doesn’t need to do this? I just give them my IRS PIN and the AGI from last year’s return. The picture shit feels like a poison pill
They can do that with a drivers license like they have for the last few decades.
And they’re using a face recognition service from a for profit corporation ID.ME. Not ok. I’ll continue to use their freefillable forms option, but if they discontinued that I’ll just go back to paper mailing. This is not a step forward.
https://cyberscoop.com/irs-facial-recognition-identity-privacy/
I’m pretty sure you’re required to provide your driver’s license info at some point during the sign-up process, actually. Though it’s been a while, so I don’t remember for sure.
If it’s like I remember, it’s to confirm that the person on the ID matches the person who’s signing up. Banks do the same when the teller asks for your ID. And so do the people who ask for your ID when you go to vote. It’s the same basic process. It’s just digital instead of in-person.
How have they been verifying mailed in tax forms with no pictures for decades?
Seems like it unnecessarily disenfranchises the poor and the elderly. You have to have access to equipment that can record you and the tech savvy to be able to use it.
How have they been verifying mailed in tax forms with no pictures for decades?
They haven’t. Of course, the IRS deals with upwards 1 million potentially fraudulent claims per year. So, at some level, they’re trying to avoid exacerbating.
In the UK, we typically have to do two forms of identification - usually a passport and a driving licence.
I imagine that for many Americans, they don’t have a government issued id, whereas basically every Brit will have a driver’s licence for id so they can go out drinking.
I imagine that for many Americans, they don’t have a government issued id
That’s only the case in a few select cities, like New York. Most other people have an ID of some sort. (And, even if you don’t want a driver’s license, it’s still possible to get a government-issued ID that doesn’t let you drive but still verifies your identity.) The US is huge. It takes at least a few days to travel across it. And most of it, especially out in the Midwest, is still pretty rural.
As for the “two forms of ID”, they actually require four types of documents (though some documents can be submitted for two or more of those things; at minimum, you need two documents total), at least in my state, when you first get a driver’s license. So most places will simply use your driver’s license by itself since it proves that you’ve already proven your identity. Anywhere that does require two proofs will usually use your social security card and your driver’s license.
I don’t know any American adult who doesn’t have a government issued ID. You basically can’t do anything without one.
Stupid fraud prevention ugh!
Listen folks, if you have a driver license, they already have your face, so settle down.
countries with no national ID cards and no plans for one: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK. 1
And they do taxes just fine without a Harry Potter like gif of every tax payer.
Privacy reasons aside, TurboTax doesn’t require a video clip to file your taxes so this is only raising the technical barrier against the widespread adoption of a simple tax system.
I don’t mind this being done through the government site, but it shouldn’t be done by a third party business.
Why did this take the IRS so long where other nations have been doing this for decades?
The other guy linked the answer, but I’m going to explain it anyway:
In the US, companies have the freedom to
bribelobby our congress members by giving them money that’s totally unrelated to their vote you guys. The reasoning behind that being ok is that the congress official in question is still technically free to vote however they choose despite the money given to them. The reason lobbying works is the threat that the congress person might not get that money next time if they vote against that company’s interests.Just so you all know, because our congress members make a government salary of about 150k-250k/year, it’s surprisingly cheap (from a rich company perspective) to lobby them, with lots of payments being in the low thousands. So for obscenely wealthy companies (like intuit), it’s much cheaper to pay just enough guys off to kill a movement than for them to suffer the actual consequences of that movement.
In this case, intuit’s entire business model depends on American taxes seeming like this mysterious and unapproachable thing that Americans have to pay a third party for in order to not get thrown in jail by the IRS. And given that intuit (and companies like H&R block) rake in billions each year, it’s comparatively pennies to pay off congress officials to keep it that way.
-> 'Merica
Same reason why our Healthcare system is fucked, it being fucked helps the Insurance Companies make money.
Most nations don’t require you to do anything other than check your payslips unless your situation is complex.
Ehh, in the Netherlands you need to report all bank accounts, home value, income from salary and contracts and a fuckton more.
It’s all done via a web app made by the Tax Authority.
And nearly all of that is usually prefilled correctly to the euro by the Belastingdienst.
Legalized corruption 😎
Turbotax, H&R Block, and the other tax companies are massively wealthy companies that actively lobby to push laws to keep them from being simple. There are states that they have managed to bar the same thing from happening in.
To clarify, TurboTax isn’t the company, it is Intuit. They are pretty shitty when it comes to lobbying congress on this.
TurboTax isn’t the company, it is Intuit.
Technically, it was a company that Intuit acquired in '94.
Lobbyists - quite disgusting.
This is great for citizens!
I’m not sure they get bragging rights about a smooth site launch for a tax preparation application when most people don’t even have their W2s yet…
We’ll see whether this is another healthcare.gov when people actually try to use it, but this is a huge win for people who qualify.
Today is the last day a company has to file and send w2’s so most folks should actually have them by now or very very soon.
Just a heads up it’s only available for the following states:
Arizona California Florida Massachusetts Nevada New Hampshire New York South Dakota Tennessee Texas Washington state Wyoming
