I always find it weird when videogame do that, in writing even.
“the monster is at my door, i don’t think i can get through this. Ohh shit the door is broken! The monster is charging at me! I love you, my dear wife, goodb”
Dude could’ve find a way out but instead he start to scribble down his thought in his journal.
In fairness, it has happened several times IRL when scientists realized they’re about to die. I think we know cyanide tastes almond-y because someone wrote it down after a lab accident. I forget her name, but there was a woman who got a lethal dose of a very dangerous form of mercury (due to a ripped glove), and she documented her symptoms for the several days with her husband by her side
Early chemistry used to involve looking, smelling, touching, and tasting new chemicals… Back when science was more of a solo hobby, they’d document everything as they went. I’m sure instant death was pretty rare, but I’m sure there’s at least a few records where it goes “I will now taste the substance. It tastes faintly of lemons and soap. I am struck with dizziness after a few moments. My vision has become blurry, I fear I have made a terrible mistake. Martha, if these are my last thoughts, know they were of you”
I buy that this is a thing a true scientist would do (assuming they thought their only hope was to hide and hope for rescue)… It’s just way overused and often not thought out well
Aren’t they usually transcriptions? I don’t remember any games off the top of my head where some scientist is actually typing their last thoughts out…
I hear footsteps… oh no it‘s at the door. My constant audio recordings probably caught it‘s attention at last. Anyway, here‘s wonderw-
Anyone see Deep Blue Sea with LL Cool J?
This guy must have played the original Deus Ex.
That game has the best worldbuilding I’ve ever seen. Picking up the story by exploring is very well done. Haven’t gotten far through it, nor played any of the others in the series. But just really well done discoverable storytelling.
The movie, on the other hand, did a bad job in the story telling. Perhaps they targeted more gameplay or graphics…
I wish you hadn’t told me there was a movie
satanic and should be illegal
Satan is a cool dude
I agree it should be illegal, but what’s wrong with Satan? Also, I don’t know how you made that connection
Probably from watching the Left Behind series.
A lot of these types read sci-fi dystopia books and think, “yeah that would be really cool actually.”
Elon has gone on record saying he’s a huge sci-fi fan, and has mentioned Iain M Banks in particular who writes a lot of posthuman and transhuman characters. He’s literally pulling his ideas directly from fiction.
“I’ve created the Torment Nexus, from the sci-fi classic ‘Don’t Create the Torment Nexus’”
“Based on a fictional story”
Do people think this is new? We have been able to do this for decades. I’m a lowly PhD student and even I get to work with humans whose brains we are actively recording from (although I don’t put the electrodes in there myself).
Just another instance of Muskrat talking about things he doesn’t know. I used to think he was a genius when he was talking about rockets, then he started talking about things I know (neuro & AI)…
Elon never invents anything new. He finds a complex concept, scuffs off at it’s complexity and announces it’s actually really simple. Creates company that over-simplifies things.
Sometimes his project fails enough times that it starts working (space x).
Sometimes his project fails enough times that it starts working (space x).
That’s just the process of engineering that’s not an Elon thing that’s just an engineering thing. No one knew how to make reusable rockets that land on the launch pad so of course it was trial and error. The reason NASA would never do it is because it’s trial and error and Congress don’t want NASA blowing rockets up.
The Soviet space program was exactly the same and remember they got into space first.
He has so much money that he can keep doing it. And hire the best in the field - there’s no money in academia so of course they’ll go. And then he’ll take credit for their hard work eventually of course.
So all those animals died for what exactly? A cheaper version of something that already existed?
A cheaper version of something that already existed?
Implying this is useless? Lots of cool stuff exist already but are too expensive to be useful.
Its no excuse for fast and loose research with so much loss of life.
Disabilities shouldn’t bankrupt people no matter the price. Government are rich enough to provide this sort of thing if they want too.
Its no excuse for fast and loose research with so much loss of life.
Totally agree. But your previous comment is implying that there were no gains, not that the costs are too great for the gains, and that’s the part that I’m disputing.
So what are actually useful applications that might be feasible soon for this kind of stuff? I could google it but I’d mostly get a bunch of sensationalist BS that is meant to generate clicks.
Basically three things -
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BCI - Brain Computer Interface. This can allow people with disabilities to control prosthetics using their brains. For example, this one from 20+ yrs ago. They are in clinical trial stages now - lot of data over 20yrs showing it’s pretty safe. There are some differences like BrainGate uses “Utah” electrodes which sit on the brain rather than go inside the brain.
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Medical diagnosis - Some patients (with things like epilepsy) get their brains recorded like this to find the region of the brain that is malfunctioning. Then sometimes this region is removed and believe it or not it actually helps! Edit: DBS is another option sometimes like the other commenter said but that needs “stimulation” also, not just passive recording.
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Understanding the brain - these recording data can help make sense of the brain. We still don’t understand much of how the brain works so this data can help and maybe help with treatments in the future.
For all of these currently we only have patients (because “healthy” people wouldn’t want metal electrodes in their brain). But neuralink’s promise is to make these electrodes so thin and dense (so that you can record more) while keeping SNR high that it might be possible to put it in healthy people without brain damage. I wouldn’t hold my breath for that, though.
Thanks! So how far away are we from something like this:
- Create a kind of “virtual sense organ” that allows you to learn to “read” text or information through BCI
- A virtual or augmented reality, able to close your eyes and see things that the BCI is feeding you
Both of them can be done shitty-ly now. But to do it with quality that even healthy people will voluntarily get it? That would need several breakthroughs.
We can stimulate some neurons now; to be able to stimulate enough neurons to do either of those in good quality will be hard. Cutting edge stuff can stimulate ~1000 neurons (only monkeys not even humans) but the human optical nerve is more than a million fibers. So we probably will need 3 orders of magnitude improvement and somehow do it in humans safely.
I’m hoping so hard for a brain/computer interface. I have a chronic condition that makes me a walking repetitive stress injury generator. Being able to control a computer with my noggin would be a game changer. I currently use an eye tracker combined with a camera head tracker, plus speech recognition, but it’s not the best. It certainly killed my (non-existent) computer programming career.
Well you’re in the wrong place to talk about BCIs, this is for Elon musk hate only.
Literally everywhere is for that. BCIs are fair game.
Wow let’s wish for those handful of best case scenarios for sure, and hope it isn’t then adapted for mass consumer use like keeping track of your friends and family, and emails, and assets of various sorts, it might even come with emojis!
If you thought it was hard deleting your Google Photos…
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Didn’t the team he put together at least come up with better miniaturization of a BCI, with denser/more numerous electricodes, and a more advanced implantation process to minimize scarring?
(patent pending)
You probably won’t be worried about scarring after you die of a brain bleed so that might not be the best selling point.
It’s a current limitation with all BCIs from what I understand, so one hurdle for them is to try to eliminate it from ever forming at all. Not sure where his thing is at, but I guess no one here knows anything about it.
Elon musk is a fucking moron, but he is paying a team of actual neuroscientists and surgeons to develop this.
Yes you are right, they are trying to improve on what exists. My response was more for the “OMG musk is doing a sci-fi” - recording spikes is not really new or hard.
A genius? I figured he was a visionary or just a bloke who, ugh, “aimed for the stars” I guess.
Nope, just some rich Souf Effrican chode.
I disagree with Musk on a lot (especially wanting just cameras for self-driving cars), but, in the tweet he does say “from Neurolink” not “ever”
You need to buy Brain Lite subscription to be able to think.
Wanna bet he never gets one himself?
It’s a shame that System Shock 3 got cancelled.
This is like the plot to any sci-fi horror or tragedy show ever. Wealthy CEO insists on disregarding the damage the medical implants do and pushes ahead to work on human trials.
What’s next? Zombie Super Soldiers?
The black mirror episode where soldiers think they are fighting monsters but it’s actually an implant in their brain that make the humans on the other side look like monsters to prevent empathy.
Wasn’t that Starship Troopers?
Black Mirror episode: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Against_Fire
Imagine voluntarily granting an advertising company direct access to your brain.
I can imagine for people who are disabled this is super exciting stuff.
I can imagine for people who
arewant to be disabled this is super exciting stuffFixed that for you.
“It’s simple. We implant the chip. No matter how hard you try, you can’t stand up or walk right. You go through the process, then we remove the chip, and we take 10% of your benefits. Are we clear?”
I work with a lot of disabled people and while obviously my sample size isn’t large enough to write a paper, the ones capable of understanding consent all think this is a terrible, terrible idea.
How many of them are paralyzed from the neck down?
I don’t blame them. I can’t imagine voluntarily getting brain surgery unless it was life or death.
There is actually a strong feeling in much of the deaf/heard of hearing community against cochlear implants because it is “othering” them in the process.
Which is stupid because they were “othered” by their physical disability and are being returned to the fold by having that ability restored.
Also it’s a minority of deaf egoists who think they’re special because they lack normal capacity and turned their disability into their personality, not some strong feeling in much of the community.
Just because a culture adopts a narrative doesn’t mean it’s the only functional narrative.
It’s just as feasible for someone to think “hey new sense, fuckin sweet!” or even “Hey new sense, nah I’m good”, and in both responses not find any insult at all in the offer.
I’d find it hard to believe people paralyzed from the neck down would share similar views.
Again it’s not a huge pool, but one. One paralyzed lady who thinks this an atrocious idea. But I bet its more than you’ve asked personally!
Why is that? I think it’s a really exciting technology.
I’ve healed various parts of myself that have been fucked up, mostly mentally and emotionally, and when I’ve found myself normally able, the first reaction I have is grief. For all the years before I even knew such things existed.
I steer, on purpose, into gratitude, and I take what I can get. But there’s a little secondary voice that wants to be bitter and hold it against people who had the ability while young.
Being disabled in some area really makes you think “I had better take care of what I have left” rather than “what are my options for modifying and upgrading what is left?”
“I can finally walk, but I really enjoy the bold rich flavor of PrimeCorp nutrition bar.”
I think I’d choose walking personally
Do you think someone in a wheelchair so much lesser a person that you automatically assume free access to their brain is adequate payment for legs? People who can’t walk still have lives, and agency, and choices. This would be a choice, for everyone. You would choose walking because you’ve never had to compensate for losing it.
Yeah, everyone would. PrimeCorp stock would go through the roof, not least of all because of their delicious nutrition bars. So much value would be delivered to the shareholders, can you imagine it!?
Who gives a shit if I could walk again. I wouldn’t care who’s profiting off of it.
This is frankly a ridiculous position.
Let’s not allow people to walk as someone might make money. The horror.
This kind of emerging technology preys upon those people’s hopes of living a normal life again. I just recently saw a YouTube video of people who got implants to cure blindness (with a glasses-like device to bridge the gap) and once the company that produces them went out of business they ceased support for their units that were inevitably going to fail as all hardware does.
Elon Musk and Neuralink is no different. They’re rushing this tech to market and they know it. High likelihood of it becoming abandonware, but improving the lives of their patients was never the goal. Making money is the goal.
All the advancements will still most likely help others down the line.
The tech exists now and that’s still a big leap forward even if that particular company fucked people.
Could we somehow both have the advancements and not fucking people over? 🤔
Yeah pretty much every country except America runs their healthcare that way.
The fucking-people-over part is NOT a necessary part of the tech! You can have tech that gets stably supported with adequate safeguards in place to make sure patients get everything they need to keep them safe and working for the rest of their life–safeguards enforced by government mandates. Those are policy issues that we already know how to solve, we just don’t, because we let tech companies do whatever the hell they want.
Yeah most places except America this is what would happen. It’s a big advantage of nationalised medicine.
Linux neuralink edition gon be funnnnn
78 developers across the globe. No one can agree on direction and half drop out in 3 months to fork it. Several forks happen and they all fail, and a few survive but become mutually incompatible.
You download a poorly tested update via brain apt-get and lose the ability to use the letter k.
A successful fork takes off and everyone uses it but then IBM buys it. Now big blue owns your brain and charges insane licenses fees.
You forgot to pay your subscription, and wake up blind. Your eyes have been deactivated until you bring your account current.
There’s already a company doing this with fall protection vests (airbags for cyclists basically). If you stop paying it stops working.
If I was a CEO personally I would not want my company to make a product intended to stop working and increase the risk of serious injury or death if the customer stops the subscription, but I’m not a super smart tech guy so I’m sure it’ll work out fine for them.
Probably the drivers I’d want to try to maintain and get working the least.
Just recently I was reading about blind people who got experimental eye implants several years ago. They’re having serious problems now because the company stopped supporting the implants.
All implanted medical device firmware should be Free Software.
…how. I make plastic medical devices and I need to support them for 10 years by law, since that is considered “lifetime” for it. How is a company not supporting them before the lifetime of the product (i.e. before they need to take them out) and gets away with it?
If your company goes bankrupt before 10 years is up, what happens?
Your eyes explode and you get kicked on the crotch by Hulk Hogan
They were probably still experimental and installed for a trial and that is likely legislated differently.
Yeah, but for a trial to go forward, it needs to meet very specific criteria. This doesn’t sound like it did.
Bankruptcy maybe?
Edit: article says company was on verge of bankruptcy.
Ah bankruptcy, solves all of life’s little problems.
Except federal student loans.
There was so much worry about lawyers going bankrupt on $5000 student loans… They had to stop it!
Locked in till-death terms, skyrocketing tuition, and Sally Mae getting both the privilege of loaning and contracting with the government (and being paid to do so) to collect on defaulted loans.
I’m sitting on about 8k left of a 30k loan and I’m really hoping to get some good news but I’m seeing now that our Republican friends want to reverse the forgiveness that’s been issued so far…
Vote blue over Q and take everyone with you!
“Oops. We failed. Happens to businesses all the time. Good luck with that. Sign up for the newsletter of our new businesses below! What’s that, liability? Nooo no no, you must be mistaking this for a socialist country. This here is capitalism, that’s part of the program, it’s all there encoded in the law for everyone to see!”
seems like i have read similar about folks who got implants to manage migraine or epilepsy.
edit - i was reading about it in the New Yorker, context was more philosophical. but here’s an article that looks to cover the topic (biotech abandonware) directly.
https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-022-03810-5/index.html
If it’s so great, you should test it on yourself, Phony Stark. The chimps were just fine, right?
…right?
Does anyone remember the OCZ NIA (“Neural Impulse Actuator”)?
It was a gaming input device, a simple headband that measured brain activity externally. For beginners, if you thought really hard of “pitch black” or “bright white,” it could measure that and you had your first two thought-controlled buttons. Advanced users could train themselves all the way to several buttons and analog inputs, i.e. control joystick input through their mind.
(just Google/DDG “OCZ NIA” to watch some old review and test videos)
just Google/DDG
We really need a generic verb for “searching the Internet” that’s not a search engine brand-name.
“search”?
How about “search”? Google was originally Google Search.
Maybe, though it could also sound too unspecific, like searching for some physical object.
“To look up” is in use more or less in that sense, actually.
“Surf the information super highway”
The device allows you to directly post your thoughts on Xitter.
Wasn’t there a South Park episode that predicted exactly this? Didn’t they even call it Shitter?
Idk about South Park but Futurama had an episode about the Eye-Phone that let people post whatever was happening directly in front of them
