WTH is this shit?!
edit: for those wondering, the setting can be found under Settings -> Privacy -> GDPR for the EU version only I think
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Ads and data collection are too much for me. Sticking with Liftoff for now.
Highly recommend thunder or Connect as well if you aren’t satisfied with liftoff. I’ve used all (I think?) The android apps and those two go back and forth for my favorite. Thunder looks slickest but connect is the most stable and easy to navigate imo.
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Yes took me a good 10 minutes to scroll the whole thing and disable them one by one
Ads have no place here…!! 👎🏻
You don’t want the developer to earn any money?
Do those that provide this space earn any money??
My server admin has a donation page for server support costs, and anything over what is needed for the local server gets donated to the main fedi devs, so… yes, they do.
Sync was always an ad supported app with ways to remove them.
I’m not sure why anyone would expect that to change.
I get it, the idea of ads on an app accessing an ad-free, and generally anti capitalist network like lemmy is dissonant. But the truth is that I’d rather have ads in apps than have developers not getting paid for their work.
You gotta realize, it is a time intensive thing. If someone is working on a lemmy app in their spare time, that means development is going to be slow as hell. If they’re getting enough income to do it full time (or even part time but dedicated), then we have access to a stable, well supported app.
Google has fucked over developers in how they can monetize. They can’t do iterative sales the way software used to work, where you’d buy a program and any major new versions were a new purchase. They’re limited in how many versions they can have in the play store, so they can’t have tiers at various price points.
Google wants their cut, and that’s all they really care about. They get the biggest flow from subscriptions and ads. So they try and channel developers into those streams. It’s a long standing problem.
Thia is one of those things where you can’t hate the player, you gotta hate the game.
As long as people can remove the trackers and not have their data sold by paying upfront, instead of having to pay AND part with your privacy then I don’t think there is any problem with this. Especially because of the FOSS community’s general attitude of ‘Is it really open-source if the dev doesn’t have to do borderline illegal labor in China to survive?’ sucks
Fully agree there!
Fuck you Spez
Sorry, involuntary response
Like a reflex?
People still sell software the traditional way, especially B2B. I don’t like your argument because it assumes someone needs to be paid, community efforts benefit the community and there are plenty of people who just want to make use of their technology on their own terms. They can put ads in this that’s their choice, but even adfree if tracking is bundled in it can’t be said to be ethical. The community excitement does baffle me a bit, respectfully.
I mean, you don’t have to like the way things are. But pretending that aren’t that way is pointless.
I dunno, were you a reddit user? If not, I don’t think you’d understand that this particular app was top of the pile, and Dawson was begged to port it for lemmy. Those of us doing that begging, or encouraging him to do so all knew that the app was ad supported with payment options. We all voiced willingness to not only use the app, but to pony up the costs.
Third party apps are were the default way to access reddit for over a decade. Losing them, and then having to migrate to a new place is daunting. Having a familiar app with a superb interface takea away part of the emotional side of losing reddit. That may seem silly, but that’s why everyone is so hyped.
Now, the tracking part sucks, but that’s Google, not Dawson. Admob is utter shit in that regard. It’s why I block anything and everything related to it. But the way to address that is to focus on that, not blaming Dawson for being stuck in capitalism. We all gotta pay the bills, and his training as a developer is how he does that. There’s already a subscription to remove ads, ways to modify the apk to remove trackers, ad/tracker blockers, and Dawson is a very responsive guy. One of the easiest devs to communicate with overall.
How would you prefer he monetize?
Ultimately I’d prefer he didn’t, as it’s reinforcing the race to the bottom you refer to above. Yes google caused it, yes we choose to participate. I am also a developer and pushed out apps without ad support in business contexts, admittedly niche, but basically a single person should not be able to monetize at this level and for just their own gain. We lose a lot compared to any short term benefit. Yes I’m talking ideals, I want people to focus more on ideals generally and less on growth and monetization.
I completely understand, respect, and share your ideals however our current global circumstances are not favorable at all for those ideals. We can and will slowly change that, I’m sure of it, but at the same time people deserve to get paid for their work.
This is the most asshole design for those dialogs. If it doesn’t have a “Deny all” button, fuck you.
They are legally required to have a deny all button…
Yes, this is a bug and needs fixing
The bug has been fixed
Was the update done server side or client? There was not any updates to the app
For me, the dialogue changed and I think the prompt is some html redirect. Gives me the option to deny all (but it currently does not work)
“Confirm Choices” should also function as that button, as the consent needs to be opt-in - nothing should be on by default.
“Consent” needs to be opt-in but “Legitimate Interest” does not and almost always isn’t.
There is one “Do not consent”
Can confirm this, I was offered (and chose) the Do Not Consent option. Weird that not everyone is seeing it.
File a bug for reject all.
Big turn off in my opinion. I might stick to thunder
The two toggles called “Consent” and “Legitimate interest” is one of the most jarring things I’ve seen since GDPR came out. Those are legal basis for processing data, they’re not supposed to shown like that to the user, that just makes no sense.
User have to opt-in for processing activities that are based on consent, and be allowed to opt-out of processing activities that are based on legitimate interest, but to do that they must know what those processing activities are in the first place!
Edit: The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. What does a toggle just called “consent” mean? Am I opting in for “consent”? Why are they just writing “legitimate interest” without telling what is the interest and why it is legitimate? Complete nonsense
I’m saddened at the amount of uncivilized discourse going on in this thread.
You can actually talk about these bugs and development with the developer on discord, and also submit reports and suggestions on GitHub.
Saying things like “fuck this” and “uninstalling” about a beta that has had at least 2 versions updated today is the same kind of useless discourse I’d expect with failed protests on Reddit.
Here is a more civilized critique of one of the gdpr functions on GitHub. https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/200
Perhaps you can make a new ssue about a reject all button as well.
If its uncivilised to uninstall an app because it’s bugs are invading your privacy, then I don’t want to be civilised. If anything, I’m doing the author a favour by telling them why I’m using their competitors.
There is a big difference between “WTH is this shit” and “This is a reason for me to use another app”.
Saying things like “fuck this” and “uninstalling” about a beta that has had at least 2 versions updated today is the same kind of useless discourse I’d expect with failed protests on Reddit.
I agree that “fuck this” might be a bit too strong for some people, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with “uninstalling”, as long as the reasoning behind it is mentioned.
Why is it called “Revoke consent”? Consent was never asked during setup, so how can it be revoked?
Back to jerboa for me. Even though people seem to overlook it, it seems to work pretty well, and every single app I try just leads me back to it. I am also getting faster loading thumbnails and images on it than sync. Sync does feel smooth with its high refresh rate, but in my limited time with it, that seems to be the only plus it has over jerboa (edit: for the way I like using it; list or compact mode).
Am not overlooking it. It’s my go to Lemmy app.
Jerboa works well, so does Liftoff & many others… infinity for Lemmy is coming along nicely too…
Jerboa has gotten a lot better over the past months. Folks who tried it early on and didn’t like it might want to give it another go.
Absolutely, it is very good, aling with many others 👍🏻
big +1 for Thunder. I love Sync so far and paid the one-time no ads option, but I understand why others wouldn’t want to.
Yep, I’m already back on Connect. Why switch to an app that uses Google to track me?
I now have a whole folder full of “on-hold until further notice” fediverse apps. I really want to find a use for Mastodon, Pixelfed and Element. I guess I never really used X (lol), and Instagram and Discord I use for very specific things, which currently don’t seem to translate for me to the fediverse. Also recently downloaded Quasseldroid because I wanna get back to using irc for some high-seas adventures (though I only briefly used that back in the ICQ days to chat with friends).
Yeah, that is ridiculous and I have already uninstalled.
I don’t see this option on my app? Where is this?
I do not see it too, but it may be based on location, only Europeans have GDPR. I’m in Canada so fucked by hundreds of trackers without protection I guess?
I’m in Europe and don’t see it.
Edit: All there is for me is an “revoke all” button
Yea me too
You can use DuckDuckGo for app tracking protection.
I’m in the US and don’t have the ability to opt-out of these things.
I used Sync for Reddit for many years but the Lemmy version’s privacy policy is not what I was hoping to see. I would love a clarification around what privacy improvements a subscription might add…
Nothing happens when I click it for me, in the US
Nothing happens for me in the UK either.
:(
There should be a big old reject all button.
I didn’t have one either, it was just like the image.
But wouldn’t “Confirm my Selection” reject all? It seema as though anything not necessary for proper functioning is diaanled unless you press enable all or manually enable some of them?
Legidimate interest usually means almost everything is enabled but it’s sadly often not even against the GDPR, just scummy af!
Not just “should”, the GDPR actually requires it. Not giving consent must be an easy option, not this dark pattern clickfest bullshit.
That’s how it looked for me.
