Heads-up, there appears to be some astroturfing going around. This is not an impressive demo, I’ve seen better without brain implants. If anything, I’m more impressed that the test subject hasn’t died yet.
I’ve seen better without brain implants.
Yeah, I’ve heard that they have technology that allows you to play Mario Kart with your hands.
I’m using tilt controls !
I’ve seen better without brain implants.
Yes but I can drive a car without brain implants. Doing it with brain implants is the impressive bit.
Really not quite sure what your point is
We’ve been able to stick an electrode to the outside of your head and pull electrical activity data from your brain without invasive open-skull surgery for a couple decades now. Neuralink hasn’t actually accomplished anything new except making this same thing way, way more expensive and way, way more likely to end in death of the patient.
Reading comprehension? It’s obviously implied that I’ve seen better with OTHER neural sensors, not someone just playing normaly.
Got a link to share? Nothing else can do analog inputs like neurolink can, so would love to see this tech that isn’t even been talked about yet.
Commenting to remind myself later because I’d love to check into this. My hands are achy from years of overuse, so an alternative to physical controls would be amazing.
I wonder if they still lean in to the turns. I can’t not do that.
IIRC they’re paralyzed from the shoulders down, so probably not.
Someone should design a tilting seat to hook up the neuralink so that he can.
So, at some point a single soldier will be able to pilot, aim and reload a tank by themselves like in Halo?
Except in the neurolinked soldier will still be playing Mario Cart in their mind tossing banana peels into refugee camps.
I guess it’ll be a long road until we have thingies like in Halo
Instead of nukes, it’ll be blue shells lol
A think tank.
I didn’t know about people, but there is no way I am getting a fucking electronic chip installed in my brain, no matter how cool it might be
It should only ever be imo used to help the disabled and that too without any involvement of someone like elon
This technology is evolving so fast it wont be long and a non invasive wearable will be able to do exactly the same.
I saw colleagues using a more robust device ~9 years ago, and it was bonkers. Completely puts Neuralink to shame.
EEG can’t input analog inputs, neurololink is accomplishing an entirely different tech, so that’s quite literally impossible. Sorry.
“Analog input” is bullshit. What are you even on about
EEG outputs binary inputs.
Are you seriously arguing without understanding binary vs analog….?
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Still around, too: https://www.gtec.at/product-configurator/unicorn-brain-interface/
$1,200 US entry price might seem a bit steep for a “fancy game controller/keyboard” to the able-bodied, but the QOL improvements for disabled people easily eclipse that.
Then what is your plan to learn about upcoming things like the new pampers absorption technology 4.0.1?!
Non invasive BCI capable of the exact stuff neuralink has demonstrated has existed for a while and it probably a much more viable way to help the disabled than cramming chips into their head.
What if it’s a suppository.
🤔 How girthy we talkin’ here?
Now this is what I signed up for.
Can it vibrate?
I mean, it is up to you.
I mean, it is up you.
This is fantastic, but I am extremely worried about it being in the control of Elon Musk.
You should be much more worried about the propensity for in-brain devices to cause life threatening infections no matter whose hands it’s in.
How would it be any different than a knee or a hip replacement when it comes to infections?
Because the blood-brain barrier makes your body far less effective in responding to infection of the breath.
Much higher rates (4-13% of implants) and much more severe consequences (more impactful on overall health and less innate ability for immune response).
Well now I’m worried about both.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The first patient with a Neuralink brain-computer implant played Nintendo’s Mario Kart video game with his mind in an impressive new demo video, calling it “lifechanging” at a company-wide meeting that was posted Friday on the social media platform X-formerly-Twitter.
“This is going to change the world,” added Arbaugh, who’s quadriplegic, meaning he’s paralyzed below his neck from a swimming accident, and requires the use of a wheelchair.
During the company meeting with Arbaugh as honorary guest, Neuralink posted the gameplay video showing a split screen of two characters, Donkey Kong and Bowser, racing in Mario Kart.
Other impressive feats that Arbaugh has achieved with the Neuralink implant include being able to play the strategy video game Civilization VI.
It was in January that Neuralink founder Elon Musk announced that the company had inserted its implant into its first human subject, who was at the time unnamed.
The company has been experiencing a spate of negative press with news about monkeys dying from nightmarish-sounding lab experiments and lawmakers asking the Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate whether Musk misled investors on how the implanted monkeys died.
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Direct link to the video: https://x.com/ModdedQuad/status/1771298116719002100
Mario Kart section happens a little after 1/3 of the way through.
We’ve all been playing Mario Kart with our minds already, using our mind to manipulate those fleshy sticks attached to our shoulders. It’s fuckin amazing.
The only usefulness this has is to help someone who can’t do that. And the fact that it’s attached to Elon and that all previous test subjects died and that it’s still been put in a human is pretty dystopian.
All previous animal test subjects died, including the majority that were euthanized at the end of the test period for dissection and study. There was a super high failure rate but let’s not misrepresent what actually happened.
I mean, it’s at the very edge of what science can do and realistically there’s not that much else you could do except test on relatively highly developed animals. You’d kind of expect that to happen, but I don’t see a viable alternative.
Working on the bleeding edge of scientific research does not relieve someone of treating animals with ethical consideration. A “move fast and break things” approach might be good for a startup and maybe even for a rocket company, but that approach isn’t okay if breaking things includes living, feeling animals.
What’s the alternative for brain related experiments? Just not advance ever?
The least they should do is make sure no animal suffers needlessly and no more animals than necessary are used for testing. I don’t have confidence in moral standards, when employees say the number of deaths is higher than needed because of demands of faster research.
Also there is some research on non-invasive ways to get signals from the brain. Why not try that before testing implants on animals?
Some people think 1 death is too many.
They did, it’s probably not as good tech, which is why they are looking for better….
I believe experiments like these should move slower and with more scrutiny. As in more animal testing before moving on to humans, esp. due to the controversies surrounding Neuralink’s last animal experiments.
Use a fucking EEG device, instead of opening their skulls and messing with their brains.
Huh, it’s almost like that has its limitations and they want to find a way past that or something…….
Yes let’s just stop at eeg since nothing could possibly advance on that… what an absolutely asinine ignorant fucking viewpoint.
Astroturfer says what?
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You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.
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You repeat testing in animals (with modifications) til it is actually safe or you at least understand what the risk is and how to mitigate it to tell the people who are going to trial it.
- You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.
So your solution to animal testing is other animal testing? Strange solution.
Nothing will ever be risk free, and most of the subjects stayed alive until euthanized to see the results. How else would you get the results?
Yes, but lower order animals. There are creatures with more or less intelligence and therefore more or less capacity of suffering.
Euthanasia is fine for an end point but as an implanted device is lifelong such a short time with the implant before sacrifice is not as useful as longer timepoints.
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We’ve had brain-computer interfaces for DECADES, which didn’t need to be inside the skull. This isn’t bleeding-edge research, it’s just a bloody edge used to kill research subjects.
EEG is an extremely limited tech, they are looking for a way to advance past those limitations.
We can’t just not advance ever since someone might get hurt, that’s just asinine.
Lol this is funny.
“Uh, why didn’t he just use his arms??? DUH”
[Kid #1: “You mean you have to use your hands?”
Kid #2: “That’s like a baby’s toy!”
— Cafe 80’s in Back to the Future Part II](https://backtothefuture.fandom.com/wiki/Wild_Gunman)
The only usefulness this has is to help someone who can’t do that.
I can’t tell if you know that the patient is quadriplegic?
I can’t tell if you know Musk wants everyone to buy his dangerous deadly crap.
Maybe, but that is not particularly relevant to the article, and
We’ve all been playing Mario Kart with our minds already, using our mind to manipulate those fleshy sticks attached to our shoulders. It’s fuckin amazing.
is quite an ableist thing to say when the subject at hand is a literal quadriplegic person playing Mario Kart.
And blocked. Have a nice day.
Lmao blocking someone for criticism? Kinda cringe if you ask me.
Probably thinks that I’m a Elon Musk fan, when the exact opposite is true. Why denounce a Musk-owned company for improving the life of a quadriplegic person when there are a million more valid criticisms to be made?
The real ableist thing here is you acting like you’re not mentally challenged…
It hopefully won’t be an Elon company, but someone is gonna mangle a TON of pigs and monkeys to make this tech ready work.
Humanity needs to understand what it will take. Even the highest standards of specimen care are still horrific.
The price of being apex and moraliy responsible.
Yeah, I don’t know this, but did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants?
I’m not a huge fan either, but how do people feel when the procedure saves their mom or kid?
did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants
While I can’t say for certain whether or not it’s true for your example, animals are frequently used (to this day) for medical research. I know for a fact sheep are used for burn/smoke inhalation studies and pigs are used for trauma studies at US Army institute for surgical research. They also use rabbits and mice.
All of them are heavily sedated before experimentation; lots of fentanyl etc. Death comes by way of potassium injection after the data is collected.
It’s hard to see, but I know people who went through the pig trauma program and it was huge. Way more real experience than any training aid ever. Just sucks.
This isn’t related to the pig trauma training they provide for medics, but rather to optimize blood product usage in cases of massive blood loss. Similar idea but it’s not for training purposes, strictly research. They’d punch a hole in their spleen (I think), bleed them out, then try different strategies / combinations of blood products and other fluids to see how well it resuscitated the pig. They’d then get killed with an injection of blue juice (KCl solution).
I said no to animal research and stuck to obtaining the blood products from human volunteers and doing some analysis of blood drawn from patients in the burn ward who were getting treatment, which was another angle of research done there.
If this is for the betterment of humanity, then I suppose the tech and research is all open source and freely available for anyone to peruse? That this patient with electronics implanted in them is free to do as they please to the hardware and software of said electronics?
Lol, no way. They’ll basically say they own the software, and you can’t do anything except not get one. They already say you don’t own the OS in your phone 😋
Slave labor force here we come! Whips are so last millennium, the whip is a chip now.
I can’t believe this seems to be going so well. Cool to see!
It’s not going well - they could’ve done the same demo (assuming it’s not fraudulent) with an EEG cap and no brain implant.
Maybe I’m cynical, but this seems like something that would be incredibly easy to fake
Like all that fake data on Tesla’s self-driving cars
And that robot they were gonna release
What, Elon Musk publishing a doctored video making extraordinary claims as a marketing tool? I can’t imagine it.
TBH you could replace “elon musk” with “company” just as well. Unfortunately this is general behaviour that has been demonstrated more than once by companies wanting to create hype about their product.
The fact it’s a video game smells of Musk’s touch. Anyone else remember all the tweets he made about Tesla running games on the main monitor?
He’d then have to go all the way to the Internet just to lie. Seems like a lot of work to me.
I hate Elon but love the idea of this. The utopian version, not the dystopian version obviously.
We are really going to have to make sure that regulation is solid if we want to go towards the positive utopian version.
No amount of regulation will ever make this safe or reasonable. You’re literally installing a suicide bomb in your brain which can be hacked at any point, or abused by any state. Regulation serves to discourage and punish undesired behavior - doesn’t stop it.
Bring back
audiobrain jacks!
There is no utopian version of this.
even if it were completely F/OSS including the hardware I’m as afraid of a brain accident as I am of someone purposely doing awful shit to my brain. I want what you want too, it’s just that there’s no world in which that happens.
There is no utopian version as long as we maintain the capitalist system. How long do you think “regulations” can stand against the profit incentive of every conceivable greedy ghoul out there?
Ok, the solution is to abolish capitalism then, and I’m more than fine with that.
Yes, literally.
Without capitalism we would be free to build any cool technology we desire, with the only motivation being the benefit of humanity and improvement of our daily lives.
Capitalism is a wasteful and nonsensical system that will only guarantee the enslavement and annihilation of human life.
Same, being able to do things with your mind would be wonderful but if it comes with cost of potentially handing your own killswitch to ketaminecrazed billionaire… (or anyone). If the device isnt 100% opensource so anyone can see how it works, there is no way to know what it can do. And even if we assume it wont be used in overtly malicious way, being able to physically affects someone’s brain( be it reading or writing) means being able to absolutely control of someone.
They’re not being manipulated, though. You can tell because 100% of Neuralink users feel they’re not being manipulated at all and that their absolutely fanatical devotion to the company is because it, and its founder Galactic President Musk, are just that great!
How many years of software updates? 😆
I see where this is going. FSD 2.0 will use human in the loop, saving money on cameras and LIDAR.
The current version of FSD Beta is 12 and it’s fully AI powered with no human intervention in the loop. It studies videos of good human drivers and tries to mimic that and currently seems to be doing so with great success. Much better than competition despite not having lidar.
Current AI art studies good human art and tries to mimic that. It’s good with broad ideas but terrible at fine details or understanding specifics. “A painting of five apples” will understand “painting” and “multiple apples” but not the number 5.
These specific fine details are very important for safe driving.
Up untill V12, FSD beta was broadly good but sucked with fine details. That is not so much the case anymore. The jump from V11 to V12 was a massive one. It’s still not perfect but it’s really good. So good infact that some people have been questioning wether there’s a Tesla employee remotely driving it.
Musk has been promising FSD “next year” every year for the past decade. I’m not holding my breath that there has suddenly been a miracle.
Not a miracle, just an software update. It now drives basically like a human.
