So are subreddits still planning to stay shut for only 2 days or are we extending that? Because 2 days does not seem enough for this.
A lot of subreddits will stay closed indefinitely.
I feel this won’t happen. If big subs continue to be dark too long, the reddit admins would simply remove the hostile volunteer mods and reopen the subs. The mods are used to being gods of their little domains. If they cross the line, they will be reminded that they own nothing. They can obey reddit or they can be replaced.
That is what I see in the future for any mods that try to hold subs hostage indefinitely.
That sends even more of a bad message to the users and I would expect even more people to leave due to all the fuckery going on.
I don’t disagree, that’s just the kind of response I expect will happen. I mean the CEO was trying to gaslight a major app dev, I feel like they will lie about and demonize mods that go against them.
Sadly, I think you’re right. And with the wild number of bootlickers out there, they’ll be able to find new mods for those subs in a matter of minutes.
Edit: which will be hilarious since all the good mod tools are 3rd party 😂😂😂
these subs will turn into dumpsters due to lack of moderation and people hopefully will leave
I’d like to see the mods wipe the subs on their way out if reddit continues to ignore the community.
A possible problem is that they would be forced to find new volunteers to run them. While I bet there’s many who want to be “gods” I bet it’s harder to find people who can do it well enough to run a 10+ million forum. Especially hamstringed by reddits lack of modtools.
So sure, Reddit can remove the mods and do it multiple times but it will continuously lead to a worse experience and sooner or later an unacceptable amount of spam, hate and CP will cause the advertisers to pull their ads.
I feel like ad revenue is not their top monetization priority personally. It’s speculation of course. But I think they are learning that the free content the users create will generate much more revenue from mega corps who want access to all of it to train emerging AIs. Data, specifically YOUR data is valuable. What posts do you look at? What do you upvote? What do you downvote? What subreddits do you subscribe to? There is a wealth of information they will monetize. This is why I think they don’t care that the little app devs can’t afford their new API pricing. They can’t give the app devs one price then think Microsoft, Google, Apple and other multi-billion dollar corps would pay a higher price.
Again, this is just my speculation. But the suddenness and the exorbitant price means they want to act now, and capitalize on this new market while it’s good. Their terms of service specifically say everything you post, you give them a license to use, sell, or sub-license without dispute, forever. This isn’t about ads.
I was thinking the same thing. Probably why the timeline is so fast too with only giving people a month’s notice of the API costs. And could also be true of twitter.
ChatGPT and other LLMs are gaining a lot of value from information freely available online and sites with large user generated text submissions like Reddit/twitter want a piece of the pie.
The problem with this line of thinking is “why is 3rd party API data any less valuable than 1st party API data for AI training?” While this may be true, I don’t see this particular move being motivated by AI. They still have all the API calls and interactions even if they aren’t being made by Reddit’s own apps.
I may be wrong here, but what I mean is they have ways to stop LLM companies from web scraping all of Reddit. The only other way the likes of chatGPT can get all the info is through to API which is currently free. So I think Reddit might be doing is saying this information isn’t free so pay X amount for access to our data.
Obviously 3rd party apps like Apollo won’t pay that, but Google and OpenAi probably will.
I’m not too sure what you mean by api data being worth less or more, it’s all the same data.
This is absolutely true. There are often calls for ‘anyone want to mod’ on even smaller subs… and you know, it sounds fun to a lot of folks at first. But if you’ve ever actualy been a mod, even of a smaller community online? It loses its appeal very quickly.
I am curious how much time you would say a mod spends a day modding
I’ve seen plenty of communities where it’s clear that the mods only stop by from time to time and they get by just fine, spam and malicious posts will still be a small minority. Some set automod on a shoot first, ask questions later setting where all reported comments get deleted until the mod restores them.
I really don’t think finding new moderation will be an issue. As much as it would be nice for Reddit to be screwed over by the mods it’s going to be a non-issue for them, there’s already measures in place to prevent subreddit parking and plenty of willing volunteers.
Real-world equivalent: “You should run for HOA President!”
Or, union president. Or pto president. Or fucking president of anything else that’s volunteer run. Just. No. Some things aren’t worth it.
I think at least some are waiting to see how reddit responds but I’m guessing they will continue to ignore the community and carry on with their bullshit
Congrats to…checks notes…/r/earfetish for being the 1000th to go dark lol
kinda wild to see the variety of communities that are a part of the blackout. and the sheer amount of porn subreddits there are. jesus.
It has actually blown my mind how many people got behind this movement. Overall the change was not something that would have ruined Reddit for most, but it was enough of a middle finger of the community that we all got riled up for it. I am proud to be a part of this movement!
It might not be affecting the general population of reddit, but I’d hazard to guess that it is affecting the moderators significantly. You only need to piss off the moderators enough for them to take their sub(s) private.
Would be nice to see a graph over time
Every so often I see a sub going public again - any theory on what that means? Mods changing their minds? Reddit installing its own mods?
It takes some time for Reddit to sync correctly. If they flash it means the mods changed to private!
Two major subs called /r/technology and /r/programming just went dark. This seems to have reached great levels now considering that CEO /u/spez himself is a senior mod on /r/programming sub.
At this point, I think the most visited and interesting subs are already down on reddit, love to hear any exceptions which are still up and running.
AskReddit is still up, despite the number of posts I’ve seen on the subreddit asking for it to join.
i think the mods made a post and said they want to stay ‘neutral’.
Also /r/technology and /r/programming went dark only after lot’s of pressure from all sides and other subs.
Surprised r/programming went dark, considering its got multiple admins moderating it. I didn’t think they would, and they didn’t mention anything before I left
Is the website using the API to fetch it’s data? That would be hilarious.
8 years, 11 months.
I’m going dark in solidarity. 100 minutes to go in my time zone.
Goodbye, u/mutisi0n. Goodbye, Reddit. It’s been real.
I’ve read about selling the account, does anyone have more information? My account is 14 years old, it might be worth something.
How much Karma? Older accounts seem to sell for more on Ebay. It might take longer though. Search “Reddit” on ebay and you will see some listings. If you go to completed and then sold, you can see some accounts that recently sold. There was an 11 year account I was looking at the other day that sold for $70
Not that much Karma, I almost never posted, only commented :(
You’ll be ok! It’s time to move on!
many will have a cake day this week, it will be an indication of a fellow refugee hahaha
Come on r/Australia. Do the right thing!!!
As a long time member of r/Australia, it is very on point for them to not join the blackout.
Why?
Its like isfreenodedeadyet all over again.
Shit is collapsing. I hope the Reddit Board are enjoying a huge bowl of ‘Found Out’.
Weirdly enough, the website gone dark on me so now I can’t see Reddit subs go dark.
it’s being streamed https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
It had too many visitors. There’s like 3k people watching this on twitch right now.
Noticing that the total subreddit count is going up. Not nearly as fast as they’re going dark, but wonder how many duplicate sub’s are getting created. Or is it something more nefarious being done my the admins?
This isn’t a list of every single subreddit, pretty sure this site only lists subs that have pledged to go dark. If you Ctrl+F something like askreddit, it doesn’t show up at all, because it isn’t going dark.
