Unsustainable system finally collapses under the weight of greedy spoiled generation when their children cannot compete with their parents enough to continue supporting said unsustainable system.
There fixed that shit.
Those fools need to get the fuck out of here with that nonsense!
Most boomers and whatever came right after boomers don’t even have decent retirements… That’s what’s sorta funny about all this. I know quite a few 60s and 70s yr olds that legit don’t have enough to sustain their lifestyles and still have to work. The system failed LONG before Millennials showed up.
Many of them went their whole lives “not trusting the stock market” just to literally have no retirement. Much of it was lack of education and access to the stock market when they could have been investing, but then at the same time it is a pretty stupid fucking system of retirement when without notice you can lose 40% of value because some bankers fucked around.
The system sucked for them that’s why they still have to work, but instead of trying to fix it, they just complain that it’s their kids fault.
And even the ones that have a lot of assets to be considered well off have a problem. They’re living in the only thing they own that’s worth a significant amount of cash.
Property prices have completely fucked everyone. Just because somebody can barely afford to pay 50% of their wages every month for the next 40 years in order own their own house, it doesn’t mean they should. It means they’ve got no choice because there isn’t enough.
oh yeah that reminds me of an 80 yr old lady I know. She’s land rich and insanely poor. Like if she sold all her real estate assets she’d probably have easily over a million dollars. But she doesn’t want to sell anything just cause. But she’s super poor. Like she literally needs a new roof on her trailer and can’t afford it. But is sitting on 7 figures of assets lol.
Hell my FIL is that way not that I’m thinking about it. He can’t take care of his house he’s in a booming hood in Houston and has like 8 acres to boot. He keeps borrowing against it to afford shit and still owes like 100k on it which would still net him a pretty penny for the whole set up. I keep telling him just sell the shit and buy a small home out right and get out of the debt and whatever, but he’s super stubborn about it.
Never underestimate the power of psychology and sentiment. If he sold it at his age he’d be left with what? A pile of money and regret? And at, say, 80 starting over is brutal. Living in a place he doesn’t recognize, away from anyone he knows, etc. It is probably why some people don’t leave struggling small towns, they grew up there and to leave is to start over and abandon everything.
This is literally my landlord too. She’s a nice lady, but she depends on my income to pay her bills…
She’s sitting in a beautiful town on a property that could easily get over 1mil, probably 2-2.5, but instead I have to live in her garage that has a leaking roof she can’t afford to fix… I imagine she’s just holding on to it for her kids or something, but she’d be so much better off if she sold. Of course I’d get kicked out in an instant and be in deep shit myself, but that doesn’t change what’s best for her.
I can sympathise. A home isn’t just a house. Depending on how long they’ve lived there, there’s a lot of memories wrapped up in that.
It’s not a simple financial equation.
Exactly. I think most of the people here don’t understand this basic fact.
Come on son, we worked hard and ruined the economy and the climate and the nature, now be a good boy and pay for our retirement.
Exactly this, it’s not even the fucked up economy state that scares me the most, it’s the state of ecology that may make the place uninhabited in the pretty near future 😢
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Child free gang wins again.
Time and money. What a savings.
Same here! Well time at least… Finally I see a benefit to being completely undesirable! Lol
Of course, we can’t blame boomers for poor decisions or tell them to skip that avocado toast. Clearly they must continue to suck the remaining resources from life so that they have something to bring to the afterlife when they finally croak.
The whole avocado thing really betrays a failure in the thinking of the people behind it. Some places some times avocados are absurdly expensive. Other places and times they are as cheap as any other random vegetable. To not realise that requires having no awareness at all of the importance of seasonal and ideally local produce. If you want to budget competently you need to pay attention to what is good value near you and when. Not understanding that time and location affects the price of fresh perishable foods makes you entirely unqualified to condescendingly tell people they are budgeting their food shopping poorly. All they know is that they spend $10 an avocado so therefore anyone else buying them must be irresponsibly spending just as much.
It’s a result of weak parenting.
It’s a result of zoning laws and car dependent cities driving up housing costs and lack of socialized programs for basic needs like healthcare
Young men keep voting against their interest for liberals makes this part of their fault. Ask Canadians about it.
Its like where I live… senior individuals voting for a right-leaning political party that’s actively harming the public services they rely on to survive - such as healthcare, public transport etc… then they complain that services are getting worse.
Make it make sense ugh 😭
No, but its your fault you’re still a teenager.
Stuck in the carbonite again.
My Y daughter is doing well, maybe it will be shitty for her to buy a house or condo but she can. My Z one, yeah, I’m helping her, paying stuff here and there like groceries, microwave, etc, she’s in her own flat and all and is not too bad but still, rent is 40% of her earning. It’s ok to help your kids.
I absolutely agree! It’s not a competition, we are all living in the same world with the same problems.
Families are at the centre of any society. Families function best when they help each other out. Parents are meant to sacrifice to help their children, just as their adult children should sacrifice later in life to help them.
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it is okay to help but at the same time it sucks you have to do that because life is so economically insecure now that adult children cannot survive without that help.
In my own situation, my partner has a 25-year-old son who has autism and cannot be financially independent. We finance his $2,200 apartment (which is standard cost in our expensive city) because on his own he’ll never be able to do that . This will directly impact our own finances for the foreseeable future.
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In the literal sense, yes, but not in the context of marketing cohorts, which are usually based on birth date ranges and are used to group members of society who experience similar pressures and exhibit similar behaviors. Gen Y/Millennial and Gen Z are marketing terms, so it’s possible for a parent to have a child in each.
There’s also us zillenials born between 1990 - 1996. The defining feature is that we’re old enough that we were alive during 9/11 but were too young to understand the way it changed society at the time. Our formative years also occurred during both pre and post internet being everywhere.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was trying to be funny but it totally missed the mark and fell flat. Oh well 🤷♂️ I do think it would be nice if we didn’t find ourselves referring to our social constructs in terms of marketing cohorts.
Should have ended with an /s
After Trump, it has become impossible to tell if someone is joking or serious.
Indeed I will surely remember next time! Thanks for the reminder 😅
What?
If you have 1 child born in 1995 and another born in 1999, then your children are of two separate generations.
Nope this is Lemmy we hate kids here just like Reddit.
I have seen absolutely nowhere near the same hostility people on Reddit have towards children and their parents.
Seems like you’re pulling shit out your arse to cause a rile.
Wrong. This place is going to turn into an antikid circlejerk in no time. There are already childfree and kidsarefuckingstupid communities.
christ, I was really hoping to get away from that garbage.
I mean, despite the rampant bootlicking seen in that generation, boomers didn’t create that system. They’re victims of it as well, just victims that generally refuse to see it. My mom absolutely has been fucked over by capitalism, and has fucked herself over helping her kids. But she acknowledges why, and agitates for something better. My dad is a victim of this shitty system, too, but was so brainwashed by cold war propaganda that he can’t see it most of the time. :/ tldr fuck the boomer politicians and brainwashers, try to help regular boomers realize they’re just as much a victim of this shit as we are.
The thing to remember is that they had to rely on trusted authorities in the news or government back then. They didn’t have easy access to primary sources or alternate viewpoints that we have now. That’s why all they can do is pick an authority figure and put all their trust in them. They literally do not know any other way. To them “research” is finding a talking head they like or who looks “trustworthy” and then believing everything they say. It was an age of authority and now we’re moving into an age of transparency and they’re not happy about it. They expected that they would get their turn to be the trusted head of the family and now all their kids and grandkids barely want to talk to them.
Wow, that’s really eye opening in relation to my in-laws. You just put it all in perspective.
Lead poisoning really did a number on that generation. While I’m also angry that they were complacent in what’s happened, as I refuse to be, it’s like blaming a severely handicapped kid.
Did you know we found out to stop including lead in gas in 1976 because school kids were getting dumber and less empathetic?
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Because it serves are purpose. People don’t just fill their race cars up with leaded fuel for the pleasure of paying a LOT more.
We’re aware that it does make a difference. In something completely unnecessary. You can enjoy life without polluting lead.
Probably should talk to the multiple other “sports” that allow it in FAR larger and more harmful ways.
Motorsports are by far the most polluting form of sport per capita. Hardly anyone can partake in them and those that do inflect massive amounts of environmental damage. It’s ok to like something, but we should still be mindful of the negatives a hobby can cause so we can at least minimize the damage. Like golf is fine, but we don’t need to use so many pesticides and build golf courses in deserts.
lol you got a source on that claim, or is it a “I pulled it out my ass stat” because I find it pretty hard to believe.
The MASSIVE water consumption, in addition to pesticides, and the plastics used in golf balls (going with your example here) that are left in the wild, in addition to the significantly higher rate of people who play golf, are likely far worse for the environment than a handful of cars having some fun. I’m not saying racing isn’t bad for the environment. What I am saying is there are things that are FAR more common, and worse.
Whataboutism
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Clair Patterson lives!
I love how you all singled out a small subset of a pretty niche sport to be uptight about. No mention of avgas, which is used far more widely, and covers far more people. According to FAA nearly 250k planes still use it. They fly all over. They flyover your house, mine, everyone.
Or lead in ammunition, which is studied and proven to kill animals, and their young. The CA condor is a good example of it. They are still dying from lead poisoning, and lead ammo has been outlawed in CA. It only took until 2019 to outlaw it here, but I believe we are the only state. The recent fires here, that killed multiple condors proved that. At least one (probably more but I heard about this one) had lead in its system and when they went to try to find their young, they also had lead poisoning.
Oh and it’ll probably shock you to know, even in CA, you can go buy fuels (C16 and Q16 are the most common we see) and use them in street cars. Go to any classic American car show, and you can smell it. But yes, please single out a small subset of race cars as being the issue.
Wait, the California condor is having a population crisis due to lead poisoning? Why won’t they stop lead use immediately?
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic but yeah, they have been dying of lead possessing since like forever. In the 90s, when the condor was something like 20 animals alive on the planet, organizations like the San Diego Zoo, started to push for the outlaw of lead ammo. It took until 2019 (apparently) to finally outlaw it here completely, yet the animals are still dying from it.
Lead poisoning from ingestion of lead ammunition is the most significant threat to condor survival, but other factors - including ingestion of microtrash and electrocution - also present challenges to condors as a species.per the national park service
Of the 213 condor deaths in the wild between 1992 and 2020, half (107) were due to lead poisoning, according to USFWS. according to us fish and wildlife
To answer your question why, people just don’t give a shit. Apparently lead is preferred because it’s softer than steel, and deforms in an appealing way for “hunters” and “gun enthusiasts”.
They are all an issue. Just because someone mentions one thing it does not mean the other things aren’t an issue also. If I tell you leaded race car fuel is an issue and should be banned, I am not telling you all other uses of exhausted lead are fine, or even “lees bad”. The post did but appear to be in any way constructed as an comparative analysis of lead use in order to author regulation from.
My point is that it’s likely the absolute smallest subset of use. There’s also a functional reason it’s used in race cars. Same is true of avgas.
There isn’t one for it being used in ammunition, for instance, which is simply a preference
What happens if you get 20% lead in your body? How are you supposed to remove any of it from your body?
We knew from the time Thomas Midgley put lead in gas it was toxic, but it was cheaper. He also introduced CFCs to the environment. Sherman Williams reported in 1904 that lead paint was bad, but it took until the 1970s for bans to start, but plenty of places still have no ban.
The only solace in his detriment to humanity is that he died a terrible death. He got polio made a contraption to help him move around and got tangled and died of strangulation
What retirements? What savings?
I’m 50 so not a boomer but I have no retirement savings. Zero. I do have adult children still living at home though.
Does the $200 left in my savings account after paying hospital bills count?
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Imagine having this much hostility towards the future.
It’s like the last of the boomers is sitting in some silo somewhere waiting to nuke the Earth on their way out the door and the rest of them know it.
They not only don’t want to plant trees they’ll never get sit under, they want to burn the forest down out of spite because they don’t get to personally live forever to enjoy it.
The author of this article is not nearly old enough to be a boomer though. This is outrage bait.
I actually know a Lot of boomers who feel just that way. My dad is one he thinks its their right to destroy the environment because they can’t live forever.
Then you have the christian nuts who want to destroy it so that jesus will return.
But most boomers want take the money with them and leave nothing to future generations. Hell they do want to burn it all down and they destroy the American dream out of greed.
The me generation that only want them to have it all.
Let’s have a purge city. Every year, let’s say like a Burning Man City. Every one can come together and we’ll nuke the city at the end of a week long party.
Generation of vipers
I mean, is it really surprising that a generation full of Karens who have blamed other people their whole life for their problems are now blaming their posterity?
And here we are, blaming other people for their problem as well, and mostly just the other regular Joe whose only fault is to be born earlier
Not your fault but “They built a terrible system” is wrong too. If your parents were congressmen or business owners, you might have a point, but the actual affect the average person has on the system is negligible. The rich and powerful were going to destroy it.
That’s why it doesn’t really matter who sits in the presidential chair, bad laws still get made, and only the absolute worst get repealed, because they all overall agree with the direction of the country, it consolidates their power when they get it. People think “Things will get better under Biden” should really have been saying “Things won’t get as bad as fast.” because that’s more accurate.
