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I’ll fucking use Vimeo if I have to.
Which adblocker are you using? I am using Ublock Origins, Sponsorblock, RYD and Enhancer for YouTube. I will check later if I get the same message or not.
Is “allowlist” the new word for whitelist?
Not really new, it’s been around for about a decade. Otherwise: yes.
I’m honestly glad we’re getting rid of white/black list. I personally couldn’t give a shit the racial element (which wasn’t what they ever meant anyway), but I never have to stop and think about it for a half second to figure out which I need. Allow/deny list are just outright better names.
Blacklist and whitelist are intuitive to me. It’s the black/red/white -pill stuff I never even try to remember
I’ve dealt with them a lot but they never really stuck for some reason. Allow/block is much clearer IMO
Some people mistakenly think that the “black” in “blacklist” is a reference to skin color, so they demand it to be changed.
“Excuse me, it’s ‘list of color’.”
What country are you in? I wonder if they’re rolling it out to smaller markets to see how much backlash they get.
Time to get a federated video hosting service scaled up ASAP. But who could afford the bandwidth and storage? We need a stable torrent-based streaming solution I suppose.
It really isn’t. I can get a gigabit pipe and all the storage i can cram into a 4U for a few hundred a month. That is enough to serve several dozen users. Add on a CDN and now you can serve thousands or more. I can probably find 10 or 100 gigabit offerings for not much more.
The bigger issue is copyright. A site that gains traction in the video space by ripping youtube videos would get sued into oblivion.
Is this real? The post title seems to imply it’s something that might happen in the future?
look into Web Environment Integrity. This particular screenshot is probably fake, but it’s coming very soon.
No, the screenshot is real, they’ve been testing it in selected regions for a little bit
This has nothing to do with WEI. Google can do more than one shitty thing at once you know.
This has nothing to do with WEI
This has everything to do with WEI … what are you taking about?
WEI is a proposed modification to Chrome/Chromium that doesn’t even exist yet, and that would have the side effect of blocking adblockers on every site that implements WEI.
This here is an already existing change to the YouTube service that blocks adblockers on YouTube, across all browsers, Firefox included. It does not use or need WEI to do this.
i’d rather not use youtube than watch ads.
Thankfully that isn’t a choice you have to make, and thanks to open source, you will ever need to make.
The only trick Google has up their sleeve is their web integrity work. Even then, there will be workarounds.
As long as we have the physical capability of pointing a camera at a display, people will control what they see. Worst case scenario in these browser wars, you run Chrome on a Google certified device then stream the output of that device to the computer you’re actually using, using various filters and vision recognition removing the advertisement from your video stream.
This is extreme, it’s a little crazy, but I think everyone can agree it’s technically feasible. This means we will always have the edge in the browser wars. If we control the display, we control the flow.
Everything else is just an optimization
It’s fundamentally impossible to grant read access without copy. And you can always do whatever you want to your copy.
Otherwise, piracy wouldn’t be a thing.
At some point in the chain it has to be uncompressed, and even though they have teams at Google try to get that down to the last step, someone is always going to figure out how to step in between and grab that stream
Im skipping a few steps. Down then road when they have WEI or something like it, they will only show videos in a secure environment… i.e. where the entire hardware chain has key attestation it hasn’t been modified. In that dark future, we can still do everything through optics.
I agree with you, if they send you data, no matter how its wrapped, its your data to do with as you wish.
Even then… I have a small USB stick that has a HDMI port and support HDCP. Which means it will capture any HDMI output unencrypted. It was like… 20 bucks on Ali Express. Since it counts as a valid HDCP sink, WEI can only attest that all components up to the “monitor” support copy protection. But it can’t see or attest, that I can just capture the data unencrypted anyways.
I was trying to agree with you overall in my first comment. That no matter what they try to do, there will be a way around it. Even if it’s as extreme as using a camera to make the copy.
I ain’t doing all that for a video. Better option would be to ditch YT or get governments and regulators to step in and put a stop to this predator nonsense.
Sorry tech companies, you have no right to control such things. I’ll be damned if a company can tell me what application I can and cannot use. Let alone what browser I can ingest the internet with.
This is no different than the browser wars of 2000.
chuckles in Firefox
Firefox is not immune to this. I get this popup in FF as well, I also use pi-hole DNS and ublock origin.
Oop. Chortles in revanced
Oh that’s sad.
Seems like it’s controlled test in different countries and segments. I (Europe) get this popup in Firefox, I also use pi-hole DNS and ublock origin.
Dies your PiHole block Youtube ads?
It does not. It can only block domains. Youtube ads use same domain as actual videos.
Thanks, I thought so.
It doesn’t because it can’t the ads and videos are on the same domain now
Thanks, I thought so.
Also Europe here, using ublock and firefox, and I don’t get that popup.
I’m not sure if this works anymore but I saved this message a while back. If you get this pop-up then put this into your adblock custom rules and it should sort it out:
youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
You’re an angel. This is for ublock origin?
I believe it should work with any adblocker that lets you set custom rules but since adblocking still works for me I haven’t tried this myself. Saved it from reddit like 3 months ago so I hope it’s still relevant
Using ublock to block these notifications is a great feeling
Enjoy it then because ublock does nothing against this at the moment. If you don’t have it it’s because you’re not in the first waves.
Why does this sound like a threat
I have been adblocking on YouTube for as long as I remember. Personally I think it’s unusable without an adblocker. What’s the alternative? Because I am not suddenly going to pay for a platform that keeps getting worse all the time.
When ever I see someone using YouTube without an adblocker it looks like some cheap chinese knock-off or something. As someone who sees less ads than 99% of people I’ve genuinely became a bit oversensitive to them. Podcasts are the only thing I keep paying attention to despite them having ads which even then I always skip over. Other than that every online platform I use is ad-free and I don’t watch TV or listen to radio either.
bilibili, an actual chinese knockoff has less ads
Same for me, I wish there was something like sponsorblock for podcasts.
I like to listen to podcasts in the gym and I will interrupt my set to skip sponsors and ads. The enshittification on Spotify is particularly bad as they now play ads in addition to sponsorings for premium listeners.
Yeah I don’t personally use spotify for podcasts even though I have premium aswell. Except for the occasional JRE episode I listen everything else on Podcast Republic.
Thanks for the tip, I will try that one out!
There is peertube. I’m not familiar with its limitations. Technically it is possible for someone to try and track your activity because it’s P2P.
The content is currently lacking. I’m kind of wondering what limitations are in place for each user to upload video. Can someone make a bot to start reuploading content from their favorite streamers?
And unfortunately IDK of any alternatives to YouTube. A big part of the problem is that some of my favorite creators only upload to YouTube. I don’t want to switch to an alternative and lose a large percentage of the content that I like to watch, that would be pretty shitty.
It will be yet another endless cat and mouse game
There are smart people out there that will always find ways around this
At this point I feel like Google wants to Intentionally kill off YouTube so they don’t have to bear the cost anymore. Just another one for the Google graveyard.
I would love to know what the benefit is. I would think that a very minimal amount of users use adblockers. Maybe I’m wrong but their investment into these things must be substantial.
The answer is always money
How much money? Yes
True story
I don’t need no stinky ad blocker! With a custom user stylesheet is enough…, that is, if you’re using something other than Chrome, because Chrome removed user stylesheets for “reasons”.
Reasons of adware
Reasons: “we don’t like it when you try to slightly moderate our torrents of spam”
