Context:
/r/ProgrammerHumor/ closed for a couple of days, then - “because mods have to listen to the community or otherwise they get replaced by more /u/Spez compliant” opened up again, and held a voting which new rules to enforce. The sub opened up with the new rule allTitlesMustBeCamelCase.
I made the first post about 15 minutes after the sub re-opened (because I’m in their discord, I was aware it opened up again, it wasn’t announced yet, I think) - and of course I just make a shit-post about John Olver since it’s the /r/pics (and a bunch of other) subreddits way to protesting the API changes.
It wasn’t even that good of a post to be honest, it got temporary taken down by the subs’ mods since they mentioned “it’s only anecdotally related [to programmer humor]” - but after messaging them explaining the context they put it back up. So it’s basically approved by the moderators of the subreddit. And not against the content policy of the sub
It got like 3k upvotes in about an hour, so I got a message from some bot that I was on the frontpage of /all/ as well. At the end of the day it had 13.5k upvotes
About 48 hours later I got an automated message:
Your account has been permanently suspended for breaking the rules. This account is permanently suspended due to violations of Reddit’s content policy
I posted an “appeal” basically just asking “Lol you banned me for posting John Oliver?”
And the only response I got was:
Thanks for submitting an appeal to the Reddit admin team. We have reviewed your request and unfortunately, your appeal will not be granted and your suspension will remain in place. For future reference, we recommend you to familiarize yourself with Reddit’s Content Policy. -Reddit Admin Team This is an automated message; responses will not be received by Reddit admins.
I posted another “appeal” yesterday asking “Could you clarify which Content Policy rule I broke?” To which they haven’t responded yet.
It’s the only post I made in the last 2 weeks, so there wasn’t any other reason to suddenly ban me besides this post…
My reddit account was 12 years old at this point. I was going to leave anyways because the Reddit client I use (sync) already announced it would be shutting down June 30 - so I don’t care that much that they banned me - just though it was a pretty weird approach from the Reddit Admins to start banning people for getting John Oliver on the front-page
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Congratulations! There should be “Banned from Reddit” medals on Lemmy/Mastodon/kbin
Custom medals for an instance that admins/mods could give to accounts or posts would be cool, might be a way for admins to reward/push good content. Kind of like reddit mod awards except you don’t have to give money to a jagoff to do it.
That’s fucking ridiculous. Maybe we should all start posting this meme and get ourselves banned.
Reach out to The Verge, they’ve been covering the Reddit debacle pretty well and I bet they’d love to hear from you.
I’m hoping they’re still going to respond to the appeal, as my first appeal wasn’t really a real one, just basically a “lol wtf?” one… Considering maybe it was just one random “hardcore” rogue admin on a banning spree for things they didn’t like. - And that if I just submitted an appeal another admin would see it and unban me. But that didn’t go as expected
So I’m hoping they at least answer the second appeal asking to give me a reason. I’m curious if they’re going to admit it’s for the John Oliver post, or if they’re going to pull something from the history and be like “2 years ago you said something mildly problematic we just discovered” - or most likely, just keep it vague and say I violated the content policy without explanation
send us the meme so we can post there too
It’s not that good of a meme though… https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/14f5kks/whenaprogramtellsyoutojustfollowtheinstallationwiz/
Ha that’s pretty funny
Love it!!
If reddit doesn’t reach out in a reasonable time do still reach out to news media outlets including the verge that are likely to cover the story
Or at least they’ll combine it with other incidents into a bigger story.
My reddit account was 12 years old at this point
I’m guessing that’s a big reason why. You know what Reddit used to be like, and that’s not where they want it now, so you’re more of a liability than an asset. They’d rather grow their userbase with millions of new users who will adapt to whatever shitty platform they’re continuing to morph into.
Your comment just game me an idea but what if we make posts discussing how reddit has become a shithole but word the posts in a search engine optimised way
I think mine is 13. Might have to try to get banned myself! Wonder if there’s a pic of John Oliver holding a ban hammer.
Try using a generative image model
I like how they permanently banned your account, it’s against their rules to make a new account to circumvent a ban, then said “for future reference please read our comment content policy”.
This is a great point.
By the way, sync for Lemmy is coming ;)
But why use a proprietary app when there are awesome people making Free and Open Source applications? For example Jerboa or wefwef.app. Anyone can audit their source code and make sure they don’t spy on you or do anything malicious.
I’m using Jerboa now and it’s pretty good. A few hiccups here and there, but all in all not bad.
I’m not so sure about that…
I’ve been nagging /u/ljdawson (the sync dev) to comment on whether he’d open-source sync or whether he’d make it compatible with Lemmy: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsync/comments/145vvjg/reddit_clients_can_support_lemmy_just_by_changing/jnog4ag/?context=3
The news so far is
No plans to open source right now but potentially lemmy
ReVanced has patched sync to be compatible with any reddit API key, in case /u/ljdawson nukes it. And people have been working on decompiling sync and making it compatible with lemmy, and then recompiling it, but that’s not a long term solution. Making large changes on decompiled source is not ideal in the long run. Best case scenario would be for sync to become open source
Edit: Apparently I was wrong and the actual reddit sync dev is making a “sync for Lemmy”. The context here for preferring an “open source reddit sync” was that - if there wouldn’t be an official app - it would make it a lot easier for the community to port reddit sync to Lenny from open-source, instead of having to do it from a decompiled closed-source."
How is open source related to Sync for Lemmy being an option? It was announced already: it’s coming.
Something being open source or not may be a reason for some to use or not use something but generally it isn’t an issue for the mainstream. (Exhibit A: Windows and MacOS hold around 85% of regular home users).
He also wouldn’t nuke Sync for Reddit… the key he uses will stop on July 1st since he won’t pay for it.
Oh ok, my bad. I wasn’t aware the actual sync dev was working on an “official sync for lemmy” - I suppose I missed the official announcement
As far as I was aware “reddit sync” would be abandoned and “sync for lemmy” was going to be an un-official port from the closed-source version by volunteers decompiling the closed-source version of reddit-sync and replacing the reddit API layer with a Lemmy one. - Which wouldn’t be ideal for long term support.
That was the context for the initial “I’m not so sure about that…” comment
What is the problem with it being closed software? I mean it is his decision after all.
The problem is not knowing what the program does on your device (if it spies on you or if it shows you what you want to see instead of what the developers want you to see). It’s his app, but your device and you deserve to have control over it. The author doesn’t think so apparently, but fortunately other Lemmy developers have better standards.
True… But are people reviewing open source software and code to make sure they aren’t malicious? I’m not. I haven’t looked at the Lemmy code once, just saw there was a repo.
I think the bigger issue is what motivates the dev. If it’s freeware, then the project probably isn’t backed by greed VS passion. In saying that, I paid $3 for an android music app (Symfonium) and it’s closed source. I absolutely love it way more than plex Amp and the dev is active. I have no issues with closed source unless development halters.
Yes, people look at software’s code all the time, if it’s popular enough. Lemmy seems to have multiple people contributing right now and each of them knows some portion of the code. You don’t have to do that yourself to benefit from this. When a program is Free and Open Source, it doesn’t automatically mean that it’s secure and private, but it can be. With proprietary software that’s not possible at all, because it’s very difficult to verify what the program does and when authors do add malicious features, the users can’t do anything about it.
With Free and Open Source software, users can study what the program does, make changes to it and share their modifications with others. It wouldn’t make sense to add malware to such program, because users can easily remove it.
Isnt the logic in the case lemmy kinda flawed? Sure the main instance is open source but you never know if any other instance may added tracker and such stuff since you cant directly verify what it runs.
I like how instead of banned they say permanently suspended
Yeah doesn’t a suspension literally mean it’s temporary. “It will resume again after the suspension.”
It usually does. Reddit decided to redefine it I guess
Yes. “Permanently suspended” is an oxymoron.
They ban for anything but yet /askthedonald /politicalcompass and /conservative still exist
Ive seen both the lemmy versions of those when first browsing through communities on the community tab
Don’t remeber if they where on lemmy.world or another instance
Honestly I’m disappointed someone would come to lemmy to create those bigoted places
Those post do get heavily down voted. I do my part to keep them put of the hot/Frontpage.
Well those type of places are gonna exist somewhere regardless. I personally liked keeping an eye on those type of subs on Reddit, just to see what discourse was going on and watch them react to the latest flavor of fear porn
Holy shit! That’s a great story, what a way to go out!
Eh… damage control, “Hey, we’ve got enough of this shit and we saw you on the front page so get nuked nerd”, etcetc. If anything, that’ll be a nice thing to tell to you grandsons, “Back in the day I got lots of fake internet points and got nuked into oblivion because I made a pun out of a random person.”
“ok zoomer”
Reddit needs to go down like the Titan.
They did you a favor
Time to request full gdpr info. Also they don’t delete your posts if you request account deletion and tell you to do it yourself.
After the request tell them through an E-Mail to delete every single comment with remotely identifiying info for you since you dont have access.
Yep, I submitted a GDRP request for all my data as well. After they’ve complied with my data request I intent to submit a delete request
I practically work as devops / sysops so know the GDRP rules since I had to deal with them myself…
After my account was suspended I can no longer do any “write” actions on reddit; upvote, downvote, delete posts/comments. “Luckily” my username is/was RonSijm - which is also my real-life name, therefore everything I’ve posted falls under GDRP. So they’ll have to comply with my request to nuke everything. “do it yourself” is not an option
Careful, when you delete an account they just mark the username as [deleted] and claim it sufficiently anonymizes the data. Explicitly tell them to delete all comments or at least send then a specific list of comments with anything identifiable.
Arbitrary enforcement of the rules is the main problem here.
Reddit can be thought of as a three tier hierarchy, in decreasing order of power:
- Layer 1 is the admins
- Layer 2 is the subreddit mods
- Layer 3 is the users.
Now, the admins have the interest of having the mods and users work for them for free to generate contents. To do that, their best interest is to have Layer 2 and 3 constantly in conflict with each other so they won’t turn their attention to what’s going on in Layer 1, and they can just step in as needed as “the good guys” when things get out of hand.
(Don’t say the name of the book please)
The way they did that, is of course, by making a “Layer 1.5”, the so called powermods, and promises them arbitrary powers that they can abuse (delete and then repost other’s content, blatant karma farming) to have the attention and the hate from Layer 2 and 3 on them instead of Layer 1, and so they can get away with whatever they want for flimsy excuses. (closing source code, shadowbans for real people, quarantine, awards, NFTs, new reddit, etc.)
Previous attempts at leaving reddit (Pao, controversies surrounding other various hate subs) failed because only Level 3 and a few lower member of Level 2 were responsive to the problems, most people are just indifferent and want to have reddit the way it is now, so Layer 1 can just pled ignorance and have people move on.
So, what’s different this time? This time both Layer 2 and 3 are collectively moving against Layer 1 for the very first time, and to maintain the illusion of normalcy would require more direct interventions from Layer 1 since playing dumb is no longer an option. Of course, powermods (all around bad person awkwardtheturtle, for example) outlived their usefulness as distraction, so they can now be arbitrarily disposed of as well.
Now do the economy!
I don’t know what you are talking about, I’m just here to promote my new movie “Barbie”.
…I want to believe, but I’ve been on the internet for too long to just assume this is the real Margot Robbie.
And I’ve been on the Internet for too long to just assume this is the real Maajmaaj. =.=
…because the real Maajmaaj would be preordering tickets to “Barbie”, opening only in theaters July 21st.
Oh well, at least you went down with a truly epic post :D
Reddit is amassing such a clusterfuck of bad decisions lately… 🤦🏻♂️
