It seems anytime I try to check out Mastodon it is always some negative political view or affiliation of why X, Y & Z is bad. Is this just what most people like boosting or is it a sign of botting to push negativity over the more positive headlines?
I do understand I can switch to any Mastodon instance I want and stick to a small community, however I like keeping up with trending topics in the world. Maybe the most popular accounts in the Mastodon community likes to rise up pitchforks every minute.
I found the better way to use Mastodon was to follow users/hashtags of interest and then filtering out most of the topics which produce ragebait. It means my feed isn’t as busy but I also get none of the ragebait.
That was my strategy too: follow hashtags of interest, and as I identify users who consistently say interesting things, follow them as well. Occasionally poke into “Local” and ferret out one or two more interesting users (and a whole bunch of users to block!). Oh, and make VERY heavy use of filters: filtering on hashtags, chiefly, but also key words that tend to get associated with asshats.
Most of what’s happening in politics is bad
You’re not wrong.
I don’t know. I picked some hashtags to follow, and now my feed is full of cats.
Mine is all amiga and Commodore 64 games. Not the exact scenario I was expecting when following #retrogaming
Yeah, not what I’d expect either. The lack of an algorithm is one of the things I’m not crazy about on there. It took me months to get into Mastodon at first because I got tired of the complaints about Elon. I only know one person on the platform too. But I do like the cat pictures.
Wait, what did you expect when you followed #retrogaming?
I expected more console games that 80s computers, not that I’m complaining. Just not a world I was familiar with
ragebait gets clicks. just look at twitter, what got the most engagement was ragebait meant to make you mad, which for the most part works
I’ve deleted my main Masto account, I am so tired of the “if you like x then you hate y” which is just so frustrating and counterintuitive to a constructive debate. If you don’t agree with their opinion it’s because you are a racist Nazi that supports the genocide of trans people as well as being pro-billionnaire…
The main example of this is the whole Meta Threads federating with Activitypub, if you somehow see good things with this, it’s because you support giving a platform to Nazis and transphobes, which is just so far from the truth.
The weird negative point of mastodon is it massively facilitates being stuck inside an echo chamber because you can literally defederate with any instance that might have any hint of someone who doesn’t agree with you
And so in the end I find myself going to Twitter more than I’d like because people I want to see the content people I follow post there and I can’t just create myself a safe garden of opinions I think are “objectively” wrong
This is also why I stopped going to Mastodon. In addition to negative ragebait politics being almost the only thing that’s trending (and I have too much of that in my life already) there’s no real nuance or tolerance for anything outside the echo chamber.
You DO get called a racist nazi transphobe for stepping outside the box or trying to support people, ideas or places that might not be 100% perfect or pass the strictest ideological purity test. I thought Liberal Twitter was pretty exclusionary and echo-chamber-y, but Mastodon’s a lot worse.
Weird. I don’t see any of that on my Mastodon feed.
It’s almost as if I get to choose what’s displayed in my feed instead of having it force-fed to me.
I’m thinking that perhaps someone didn’t learn how the system works and how to use it and instead just read #Explore. For a sane experience in Mastodon, you need to build a feed by hand (no algorithm will do it for you), build filters by hand, and in general you’re far more in control of your experience than you are at places like Echs. I’ll peek into #Explore every so often to find new people to add to my feed (and many more people to block from it!), but other than that I don’t use it. Precisely for the reasons you cite here.
This is why I can never get into microblogging/Twitter-type platforms. Character limits and one-click reposting mean that what little discourse you get is shallow, and ragebait is consistently pushed to the top.
I’m not going to say that Lemmy or (especially) Reddit completely avoid this, but you generally get much more insightful conversation and can opt-in to political communities.
There was a thread on [email protected] recently asking people for their unpopular political opinions, and it actually wasn’t a total shitshow!
By “not a total shitshow” do you mean that it actually contained unpopular opinions or do you mean it was not filled with extremists.
Actual unpopular (but not extremist) opinions.
I’ve seen posts praising free school lunch getting passed by a few states.
“Trending” is going to show you the topics that are getting the most engagement. Political content almost always gets a lot of engagement, because people will argue back and forth with each other, and each new reply will boost that post further up the ranking. It’s just the nature of that particular sorting method.
I follow digital art hashtag and now my feed full of art and furry art. But it’s better than looking at US politics posts that i never understand.
Same, digitalart and also pixelart fill a lot of my timeline.
I use Tusky and I never see these trending posts. It’s great because I’m sick of the tedious political shite from all sides on Twitter, I don’t need it on Mastodon as well.
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Lobotomizing yourself is faster.
Nah, you can’t aim the icepick properly yourself. Believe me, I’ve tried.
Glad to hear it from someone with experience!
Nah, I’m not brainwashed into thinking that politics is intrinsically evil.
This is perfect. My current list just contains 10 different ways to block posts about covid.
You have a word list I could borrow?
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I fucking love you. Seriously thanks.
People have been trained by corporatist ad-click-driven "angagement"1-oriented antisocial media that all online communication is rage-fuelled.
No, wait. This doesn’t explain BITNET, FidoNet, USENET, etc. which predate such antisocial media by decades…
New theory: people online tend toward being assholes because they’re not in imminent danger of taking a punch to the nose for it.
1 “angagement”: a portmanteau of “anger” and “engagement”
It’s easier to bitch about what’s wrong than to actively do something to make it better.
Because it’s one or the other. This dichotomy isn’t even slightly false.
Well said, unfortunate reality.
I mean plenty of people bitching are doing what’s within their power. This is a reductionist and bad faith argument
Everyone has the ability to change the things around them. People want to change the world. That is an unrealistic goal to start with. What you can change directly and immediately is your family/household. Then you can move to your neighborhood. As you change the things closest to you, then you can slowly move out to larger things.
Going on a worldwide platform and bitching may make you feel better, but it does nothing to change things and just makes people avoid you.
So every single action you ever take is to affect change directly? Seems that you’re not affecting change by posting here. Sounds like you’re bitching about people bitching. That does nothing. Kinda makes me wanna avoid you.
Let people bitch. It’s not hurting you in any way, and might even raise awareness of issues to people who aren’t familiar with a particular issue.
Try blocking individuals who are pushing negativity and sharing the good stuff. Be the change you want to see in the world.
I don’t think people appreicate the old axiom “when you look into the abyss, it also looks into you” in this case. For a long time, corporate social media algorithms drove what content you saw. This tended to be “outrage” content, because as others have mentioned, it gets clicks. But marinate in that long enough and YOU become the source of the outrage clickbait. The algorithm starts people down that path until their mentality becomes self-reinforcing. They post what they’re used to posting – angry stuff. And they seek out more even without behind-the-scenes manipulation of their feed. Now imagine all those Twitter refugees landing in the Fediverse with that kind of outlook. It’s not surprising that outrage and bile are trending.
The way to break this cycle is… just ignore it. I have an extensive list of keyword filters on Mastodon. It screens out 99% of the political content. I just don’t want to see it. I’m here to engage with people who share the same passions and hobbies as myself. THAT’S what makes my Fediverse social media experience better. It’s not a magical function of crossing the corporate/open-source boundary. I have to be responsible for curating my feed according to what I want to seek.
The same goes for Lemmy. I’m using Leomard as my client on macOS, and it allows me to block out any Lemmy instances I don’t want to see. And I set my default view to “subscribed,” not “local” or “all.” That prevents me from getting psychologically drenched with whatever angry or trollish content might be lurking in those feeds when I open the client. I also sort by “new” rather than “hot,” “most comments,” etc. It’s great that people have opnions about things, but I find relying on up/downvotes to be a poor way of discovering the content I want.
Long story short (too late): your social media experience in the Fediverse is yours to shape. If you rely on the defaults and flow with the tide, you’ll likely end up somewhere you don’t want to be. If you trim your sails and take the wheel, there are all sorts of wonderful destinations out here.
Don’t use other people’s anger and unhappiness as your compass.
