For the love of anything holy. Then they’ll require to install a shitty app to shop at the grocery store in the first place. No, thank you
I shop at Jewel (which is currently under threat of being taken over by Kroger) and they’re now doing this thing where there will be, for instance, peaches, under a huge sign showing an incredible deal. Then you look at it and realize that the price isn’t discounted at all unless you install a “Jewel App” and use it to “claim” a “digital coupon.”
Kroger also does that :(
At least with Kroger you don’t have to have the app, you can use their website for everything
Two major supermarkets do this in the UK now. I fucking hate it, it should be illegal. I also noticed recently a store with digital price labels. Combine the two and we’re marching towards the news in the post at a breakneck speed.
Many supermarkets do adjust their prices based on the average income of the location they’re in, so this isn’t really different in some ways.
We need to make it illegal to charge different people different amounts of money for the same service based on any criteria other than a poverty discount and a senior discount.
I’ve been shopping at shitty Jewels all my life and I’m moving to an area where I can choose Jewel or Mariano’s. I was super excited to find this out until they announced as part of the merger, they would sell off a bunch of stores most of which are Mariano’s including the one I would have started going to. I Reeeeeeally hope the merger doesn’t go through.
Big Y in the Northeast does that well. That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t regularly shop there anymore
How is that legal?
Regulatory capture and the Federal Trade Commission asleep at the wheel.
ShopRite by me is doing that.
We mostly stopped buying at ShopRite (mostly, because there are some things we can only get there due to dietary restrictions, and they carry things others don’t).
I don’t think we were the only ones though, because that was gone the last time we were there. It could also be due to the Stop and Shop being “digital coupons only” and being forced to close recently. Don’t know for certain. It could just have been a test run for them and they will bring it back later, no idea.
Either way, I have no interest in having their app on my phone. I toyed with the idea of using a cheap tablet I’ve got and don’t touch to install the app on it and connect to in store wifi only.
If I have to install spyware or open a link at a physical location, my top priority is to leave.
A local grocery store has kinda done something like this? Just not as extreme as needing an app to shop. They literally took out all the coupons from the mail ads and they have you install their app for coupons. Which makes you run through hoops to install and make an account. I tried doing it in store but I gave up because of how annoying it was and all the information they needed. Just to used a god damn coupon… I miss the little red coupon dispensers in stores.
Ir you’re on the billionaire whitelist, you pay even lower than the people in poverty.
Saw an interview with a guy (on Bloomberg actually) who explained that “ability to pay” and “willingness to pay” are two different things and that the pricing system doesn’t target people who have a lot of money (“ability to pay”) but rather people who have fewer options.
Like, if the app knows that you don’t have a car and this is the only grocery store you can walk to, you will pay a higher price.
Yikes
don’t worry. prices will come down when albertsons and kroger merge. large corps are just more efficient.
They treat their workers better, too. And pay them more. /s
While the sarcasm in your comment is painfully obvious, certain people, like the average fox news host (aka psychopaths), will read it and see the upvotes and think that we are up voting because we agree. We don’t, we are up voting their dark humor.
Also, fuck you fox news. Fuck you very much.I actually do worry about this. Im such a sarcastic person and I can’t keep from doing it on the web but I wonder if every comment is going to birth a new cult. And this comment I want to be clear is 100% not sarcastic, I truly feel this way. nowadays is nuts.
Ok, look… I know it’s not technically a rule, but we’re going to need you to just start putting “/s” at the end of all your comments. Just add it as a signature line so it shows up on everything, just to be safe. You’ll just have to consider it like some kind of magic charm or ward to prevent something like The_Donald from being conjured up.
Ill staple it to my tps reports.
So instead of taxing millionaires fairly… It’s come to this.
How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars???!!!
Go see a star war
If done properly this could wipe out food insecurity issues for the most needy.
It won’t be done properly. It never is when left to the corporations.
No, the existing “base line” price will stay as is for the poors. Those with slightly more money however…those will pay more.
Yep, that’s what an MBA would decide, so that’s likely what’s going to happen.
That’s why I said in my second line:
It won’t be done properly. It never is when left to the corporations.
But yet you STILL opened your reply with a flat ‘no’, proving you only ever bothered to read a single sentence of my reply so I’m downvoting you, blocking you, and forgetting you ever existed.
I don’t think their “No” was a disagreement, but a confirmation of your second line. https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/88502/how-to-agree-with-a-negative-statement-with-yes-or-with-no Sometimes, language can be a tricky tool to wield.
It really seems more like they didn’t read the second line though, since there is nothing in how that comment is phrased that acknowledges it, and since that sort of comment-without-reading is extremely common especially for topics with political significance.
The standard way is to clarify your answer by rephrasing the question rather than only saying “no” or “yes”.
So in this case maybe that could have been done by saying it like “No, they won’t do it properly,” but if you want to communicate that you have read the whole thing you’re responding to you basically have to do this, because it is extremely reasonable to assume it was not read if there is no indication.
And you can have a block as well! I’m so glad they’re free.
I’d like to order one block please.
One steaming hot block coming right up!
Well after reading this thread, you can have one yourself.
Well since the government has all the info and has the postal service to get stuff to the people in need, why not just send this people some sort of stamps for free that lets them buy food, lets call it food stamps or something.
Jk, that would never work, let’s give all that sensitive data to some company that will definitely not leak, sell it or use it for some nefarious thing, because it will use AI.
You are so full of huffing your own sarcastic farts that you completely missed that I already addressed that an hour before you posted.
And whoo boy am I in a FUCKING mood today so you are gigablocked. I mean you may very well be a decent person of I got to know you but you get under my skin something FIERCE.
No, you just hate your life. This thread isn’t about you, so shut the hell up. No one cares.
If you think about it, it does not make financial sense for them to maintain this kind of system as a purely progressive price discrimination that charges richer people more money. I expect a lot of it would end up more like the Uber practice of charging more to people with low phone battery; they will identify who is more desperate, who has less choice but to buy the given product immediately, and charge them more. Because of how poverty works, that’s more likely the poor.
This is a major reason we still need cash and other ways of saying no to corporate surveillance; if we can’t maintain privacy when making purchases that information will be used as a weapon against us.
We get more like reddit every day…
BlockedI was agreeing with you so this is confusing, ok though.
What you’re describing is a more socialist/communist view on means based price adjustment.
This is real-time price gouging, which is good old-fashioned capitalism.
Looing forward to WIC and SNAP benefits being erased by price gouging on the needy.
Yea, as a sort of reverse tax credit, it would be interesting. But as a profit driver, it’s nice and dystopian.
I guess food stamps kind of do this but they are so hard to actually be granted. We need something automatic that is specifically geared to solving food insecurity for the most needy.
We could wipe out food insecurity by just doing taxes properly. We shouldn’t tolerate for-profit businesses doing what the government should be doing.
And politicians who work to privatise public services should be sent straight to the gallows for the traitors they are.
You can bet your ass my unemployed relative is going to be the one buying all the groceries with cash.
No cash? Well it turns out the untaxed gift allowance is $18,000, or $1500/mo, more than enough for all the groceries of a large family.
So they’ll have to price small quantities low and go up from there to prevent TaskRabbits / Craigslisters from running this as a business
This isn’t new. Websites have had higher prices when browsed with a Mac than when browsed with Linux.
Or price manipulated by postal codes via geo-IP or your profile’s shipping or billing address.
Plus returning visits. Airlines have been caught charging higher prices to someone who returns later to purchase an airfare that they previously looked at.
This way maybe a banana could cost $10
Is that… Is that not what it costs now?
10 ruppees here About 1/80 th of that price
I can pick up a bunch for 1.59€ at Aldi. The catch is that they are not ripe yet, so I have to leave them on the kitchen counter for 3 days before eating them.
I get a bushel for 88¢ where I live.
Then they get mad when people start stealing shit
Yet they’ll throw out everything that’s a day out of date and dump kerosene on it so no one dives for it.
The cruelty is the point.
The price tags are digital? Whoops I’m so clumsy, constantly stumbling into the shelves and breaking the tags.
At this point in time if I saw a group of people just plundering the joint I would say they are doing nothing wrong. In fact, they are morally upright for doing that.
I’m less worried about the idea that people are charged groceries based on income and more worried based on need.
Will the person who buys cigarettes twice a day pay more than the person who pays once a fortnight because it’s clear that they require it more? Will the shopper of the family of 6 pay extra because they don’t have the time or energy to drive to the next place that offers groceries without this system?
Introducing this based on income seems like a sugarcoating of something far more insidious.
Interesting. Progressive private taxation.
All this time I thought we’d eat the rich. Turns out they’ll eventually just eat each other instead.
They will eat us
will? They have feasted upon us.
Have? Are. Will continue to. Etc.
It’s a bit like agar.io really
No, this is the rich trying to rest the middle class.
Also known as wealth hoarding.
The rich get richer…
“Private taxation” is just price gouging.
Progressive
Oh you sweet summer child…
Progressive taxes are not the same as ‘progressive’ in terms of social politics.
Progressive taxes are how our tax brackets work. The more you make, the more you pay. This is them saying private companies will use progressive taxation as their model for pricing goods.
Yes, I know. You’re a sweet summer child if you think these algorithms will be used to consistently make wealthier people pay more, as opposed to (for example) charging poor people without cars more because they can’t as easily go to a different store.
They will exploit every customer to the maximum extent that they can. Rich customers may have more ability to pay, but they also have more resiliency and options to resist the exploitation.
Airlines have been doing this for years.
Browser ID say you’re using a Mac? Higher price for you since you must have a higher income.
Airlines run by teenage girls? LOL
Next thing you can’t book a first class ticket if you are using Android because you’re poor 😂
What if your browser user agent is set to YO Momma. I did this years ago for some reason(pot) and forgot about it until one day the error generated by a website had YO Momma in it and I had to know why.
Was the point to make tracking you easier?
Yo mama makes tracking easier.
Heh, This guy gets it.
Anyone using custom user agents is a tech bro and they have money – give them MacBook tier prices
"If you’re starving, we’ll use an API with your bank to charge you $10 more than your entire net worth. In that moment we’ll offer you a credit card with a 37% adjustable interest rate that only adjusts up to cover the overage (but credit card takes 6-8 business days to process, so you will go over). We’ll then be left with no choice but to also process an overdraft fee on your bank account with daily penalties for the overage since you are being irresponsible.
And we’ll use AI to generate a picture of everyone you love in a room laughing at you, because fuck you. By overdrafting, you triggered a clause in our user agreement (that you agreed to) which states that we can charge you whatever we think it’s fair for that picture. The picture will then regenerate each month, indefinitely, on an auto subscription, unless you cancel by hand delivering a paper cancellation form to our cancellation office in Guam."
What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck isn’t this illegal and punishable by life imprisonment?
Because nobody has actually done this yet, this is just a question some senators asked in a hearing. It’s a weird question, but the answer doesn’t necessarily seem to be “no”.
I think it’s more of a “You have never bought this brand, so it’s going to be 50% off today because we want you to consume as much as possible and keep coming back”, not “You’re a gamer, so the Mtn Dew Game Fuel costs 50% more today”, or “You’re rich, so everything costs 3x as much”.
Companies already do this with their apps, issuing coupons to try to expose certain customers to more products. Dynamic pricing just seems like a less transparent and ultimately worse way to do it. It essentially kills couponing as an art form, and I am quite good at shaving 40-60% off of a grocery bill.
If this model succeeds, I worry about what it will evolve into.
New fashion trend just dropped:
A few months later the policy is quietly abandoned after customers kept dirty clothes in their car to wear when shopping to game the algorithm. The presence of so many poor looking people attracted the homeless and criminality, what caused complaints and lowered the brand value.
I don’t think that’ll save you from having data harvested from your cell phone.
That said, turning off location tracking might become a habit while browsing the aisles.
Remember the outcry over the various Kanye items–$100 white t-shirt, etc…? It’s all coming full circle. In a few years, cities’ homeless populations will be wearing crisp Brooks Brothers suits and its wealthy assholes will be in disheveled streetwear.
Hey normalize not posting pictures of people taken in public against their consent at their lowest moments. Like wtf, what if that was you?
It says a lot when your respect and compassion for another person turns off just because they are homeless or poor.
You can take pictures of people in public:
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. And just because it’s technically legal doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole for doing it.
It called being a decent person.
I didn’t take the picture. And I don’t know if this person wasn’t compensated for this image.
The reason you can post all those images on the internet is almost entirely because of Section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 or Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The law essentially provides website providers immunity from third-party content. Generally believed to be the basis for the internet as we know it today, it’s not a given that those protections will remain in place. Giants such as Facebook and Google are under scrutiny from lawmakers for antitrust violations and other misuses of power. No more Section 230, no more upload free-for-all. source
I’m aware of the concerns, but should every meme be copyrighted? Can I not take a photo of my daughter at Disney Land because unconsenting people are in the background?
Maybe the more pressing issue is to address the house less situation instead of berating people who copy paste images. But, that’s just me.
I didn’t think you personally took that picture, but your attitude of “it’s perfectly legal” is rather off putting. Something being legal doesn’t make it ethical.
Also, taking a pic at Disneyland with strangers in the background is different than taking a pic of a specific stranger for the purpose of humiliating them on the internet. You know this, I know this, most people know this. It cruel and wrong. Not that hard to parse out really.
I didn’t say to make it illegal. I didn’t say it was illegal. I said to “normalize” (a social more) not doing so especially when the person has no choice except to live in the public. Especially when they
- wouldn’t appreciate it being taken or consent to it,
- it’s not particularly newsworthy,
- it’s a low moment in their lives, and
- it won’t benefit them and will benefit the picture taker/poster financially or otherwise
Like we don’t make picking your nose in public illegal, there’s just a social more that that’s gross behavior. That’s what I’m asking for - that mistreatment of people be seen as gross.
Noted.
“If you are interested in helping the homeless and drug addicted, volunteer your time, write a check, lobby the government officials in your community. These people are not on the streets for your amusement. They are real people with real problems not a vehicle for your next social media fix. I truly believe that it’s up to each of us to treat our fellow human beings with dignity and respect. The next time you’re tempted to take that shot of someone passed out on the sidewalk or the young person begging for a meal, think how you would feel if that were you or your family member appearing on someone’s Facebook post.” source
But,
The reason you can post all those images on the internet is almost entirely because of Section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 or Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The law essentially provides website providers immunity from third-party content. Generally believed to be the basis for the internet as we know it today, it’s not a given that those protections will remain in place. Giants such as Facebook and Google are under scrutiny from lawmakers for antitrust violations and other misuses of power. No more Section 230, no more upload free-for-all.
There it is, the standard lemmy-tier moral superiority post.
You know nothing about this person or the context of this photo. Someone using their picture as an example of dirty clothes and the look of someone who is homeless isn’t going to make their life worse.
That’s sad that asking for better behavior is looked at with derision on your part.
Agree to disagree. I don’t really feel like discussing further with you.
That’s fine, your moral superiority has been established. Hope you enjoy the view atop that high horse.
Keep punching down ✌️
What we say matters. Even just 1 person on 1 platform.
