• Quinten@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Please note that the official title of the article is:

    Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.

    Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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      The whole Western political apperatus has been saying Putin doesn’t have the guts to release any of the compromat he holds on them and that he needs them more than they need him.

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    What now? Will he be replaced by one of Putin’s token? Seems like his men were respecting him

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      Wagner in being incorporated into the military and will be under their chain of command regardless of who in Wagner may take over.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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      You can’t really expect to just throw several tons of steel and assorted stuff in the air and not have it fall back down. That’s why lighter than air always wins.

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      Russia shot it down intentionally and announced it. Its in like the first sentence or two of the article.

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        No it isn’t, read again. That’s a claim by “Wagner-linked Telegram channel”. It can hardly be trusted. No official statement from Putin, investigation is ongoing.

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            Would you mind sharing the video? I didn’t see any. Afaik the most probable cause is a bomb on the deck.

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              They are on Twitter and I don’t know how to link them.

              But the story is still very early with most saying he isn’t even dead.

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    Who would have expected this? Surprised pikachu

    But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)

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      Yeah, but he was stripped of all of his power. Wagner group is being rolled into the state military. The opportunity for Wagner to push back and or give Putin the boot has passed.

      And, this dude was also an evil corrupt piece of shit. If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.

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        He was a straight-up Neo-Nazi and named the group after Hitler’s favorite composer. So yeah, he would have been infinitely worse than Putin… and that’s saying something.

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            This baffles me. That anyone would idolize Nazism is baffling, but particularly Russians. I mean does nobody remember Stalingrad?

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              Anything you hear from Russia, you can just as well forget, it’s nothing but propaganda, lies, spin, and disinformation. They use Nazi guys like Wagner to fight what they call “Nazis” in Ukraine. It’s the “we fake it so hard that people couldn’t believe it someone would lie that bad” tactic. Never engage with Russia / Russians who aren’t publicly opposed to Putin and the status quo. You can only waste time.

      • iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world
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        Wagners are straight up fleeing into neighboring countries and Africa. They must have read the history books about what happens when one warlord assimilates another’s forces (they kill them quietly and easily now that they’re disarmed).

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        If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.

        He would at least cause a schism between the putin fanatics and everyone else.

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      It’s not like Putin and his closest cronies are in any way competent. They are removing anyone who dared to criticize. Before the coup Prigozhin, Girkin were allowed to say whatever they wanted as long as they did not undermine the general effort. Now Putin’s inner circle will ultimately disconnect themselves from reality: govern the country and the war from a bunker filled with scared yes-sayers with no alternative voices.

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      The most surprising thing here is that nine people were willing to get on a plane with Prigozhin. That’s arguably much closer to actual suicide than any of the convenient window deaths that keep happening.

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      Somehow I always thought they would poison him. More personal. But if he brought his own water, I suppose this saves everybody some time.

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        I honestly thought he’d go via the classic window fall, but this was far more original.

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      But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)

      Replacing one dictator with another who has the support of something like the Wagner group would not have been good for anyone but the Wagner group.

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        There would be no clean replacement. It would get very bloody and chaotic. Not a bad hypothetical scenario. But that ship has sailed when Prihozhin surrendered (he didn’t stand much of a chance anyway).

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      Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.

      Edit: yeah, this is actually what happened, no subtlety here, damn.

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        Like, fucking literally.

        “Crash” my ass, BBC, you say it got shot down in the article, how is that not a more accurate and sensational headline?

        “Prigozhin got blown the fuck up, like everyone knew he would the moment he pussed out, the Nazi coward.”

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          Technically, they just say that a Wagner linked Telegram channel said it got shot down. They’re probably waiting for better proof/additional sources before they take the full step of saying it was shot down themselves (at which point I think it’d get added to the headline).

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          Because the only source for that (at present) is the Wagner Group, who have a (dead) dog in the fight and are not bastions of truth. NYT will be trying to confirm it before saying so.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia, with nine other people on board also dead

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    Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.