Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I’m just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I’d have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he’s rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Kind of makes sense to just have all of our justice dictated by robots, at that point.
At least then there’d be some consistency.
That’s a different ridiculous extreme, not better.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
If you give harsher punishment for rape than murder, you are just trasforming every rape in a murder rape.
Yea, I’m glad he is getting what he deserves but 30 to life seems insane. You can get up to 20 years for murder here (life sentence is possible but only for the rare serial/mass murderer), and getting that 20 years requires you to do some really bad shit. Manslaughter for another example is up to 3 years.
Excuse me, but it seems to me that with two murder maybe his sentence would be less.
Yea, in Estonia definitely. To get the full 20 years you need to do something pretty bad.
he’s also done lots of other evil shit.
https://www.rollingstone.com /music/music-news/cedric-bixler-zavala-reacts-danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-1234745344/amp/
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson’s behalf. But, I don’t see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
I might have misremembered him poisoning their dogs, but he did emotionally and physically abuse her. That’s primarily what I was referring to.
Honestly, had the same thought
maybe they tried him as a black adult? you know how sometimes they try minors as adults
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn’t cut a deal, hasn’t shown remorse since he hasn’t admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn’t know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years for his crimes.
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I’d expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
You do mean Brock Allen Turner, who was a student at Standford and was convicted of rape from an incident on January 18, 2015?
I hate to be wrong on that we’re talking about two different Brock Allen Turners.
Didn’t rapist Brock Turner change his name or something?
The rapist Allen Turner is the same person. Yes. Allen Turner is a rapist.
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
That’s the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
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I wouldn’t be mad if a trash truck hit him and forgot to pick him up.
It’s longer than I’d expect, but it’s what it should be, so it’s refreshing that a judge somewhere is taking rape seriously.
Yeah, seems high. I’ve known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I’m not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don’t think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn’t a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn’t be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
Compared to the rapist Brock Turner it sure seems like a lot. Brock Turner the rapist got a very light sentence.
I have a feeling Brock will get what’s coming to him down the road
Don’t you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it’s absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
I was surprised by the 30 years, but mostly because it seems like I’ve heard a lot of stories of people getting 15 to life for murder, which seems short. I always expect murder to have the most severe punishment. Of course it sounds like this was multiple counts, which can add up.
I used to have a friend that did 8 years for murder. Dude hit the 3 strike rule though he’s out for life no parole.
No, in fact I specifically said:
I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape.
I didn’t say you were. I’m suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you’re not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
When he gets out he can be “that sexual criminal in his 70s”
What’s the difference between this and what Trump did? I’m curious why this one gets prison time, but Trump didn’t. If it was two decades ago when this happened, I would habe thought it was past the statue of limitations.
Criminal vs civil trial due to the statute of limitations. Trump could not be criminally charged as the crime happened too long ago. The law limiting the time was changed in 2006 but that can’t be retroactively applied.
The problem is that many alleged victims of sexual assault, like Carroll, cannot avail themselves of the criminal justice system. At the time when Carroll alleges Trump raped her, the statute of limitations for rape in the state of New York was five years. In 2006, New York changed the law and abolished the statute of limitations for certain types of assault, but that change does not apply retroactively to crimes committed before 2006.
I don’t understand the retroactive part. The rapes supposedly happened in 2003 in this case, which would apply the same way according to this statement. But it doesn’t seem to be applied that way here.
Different states?
Oh, yeah, that’s probably it. Didn’t think of that
BoJack, is it you?
lol
I never followed this case. So he raped 2 women? Or at least that’s what the sentence is for. A sentence as excessive as that does not seem wise to me. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have any sympathy for rapists. I do have sympathy for the victims.
But what does this sentence really send as a message to criminals? From a criminal’s point of view you can just as well kill all witnesses, especially the victims, if it won’t make the consequences of being caught any worse but reduced the chances of being caught. This is really, really unwise.
How is this an excessive sentence? What in your mind would be an appropriate sentence if say your mom or sister were the ones who were raped?
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10-15 years maybe? Idk I’d probably want them to rot in jail but be alive to get out so I can get them myself…
If he had been convicted of raping and murdering 2 women he’d likely be looking at life without parole or death. It would absolutely have made the consequences worse.
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Yeah let’s make sure we don’t send the wrong message to psychopaths by sending them to jail for fear they will escalate their wrongdoings. Maybe we could just ask them pretty please to stop raping people. Or maybe just not worry about rape at all. /s
Bruh getting caught doesn’t work in real life like it does in skyrim, you cant just kill everyone and be done with it
You shouldn’t. But you can. And we really shouldn’t make the worst alternative more attractive for those low-lives.
I think in this case specifically, it was due to the threats and shit that were being thrown towards the judge and jury by the church of Scientology. The sentence is to send a full message to the church that no, you fucks cannot get away with these things anymore.
I’m glad he’s been put away, not just for the rapes, but the murder of Cedric Bixler-Zavala’s dog (from ATDI/Mars Volta. Masterson raped his wife, and two of Cedric’s dogs were poisoned after she came forward).
Now do trump.
Rent free. Still.
How sore are your knees?
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Rent free motherfucker deal with it.
I’ll take that as a yes, you seem grumpy. You should pick up a nice set of knee pads, it should help you out.
He might be a rapist but I think even he’d draw the line at doing Trump.
burned
He finally got what he deserved. Let’s just hope that he can’t hurt anyone ever again.
well shit. I really liked him, I was hoping it wasn’t true. oh well, fuck that guy then.
Man, I love That 70s Show, but so much fuckery and creepy shit happened during production. The irony being that this guy could have had any woman he wanted without assaulting them. He was the “cool funny” one on the show. Fucking gross piece of shit.
Rape is about power. Rapists aren’t interested in anyone who wants to give it to them consensually. They want to feel that they are really hurting someone, really destroying their humanity. If it doesn’t demean and permanently fuck up their victim then they want no part in it.
I think there’s also a category of rapists who just flat out don’t see their victims as people so they try to take whatever they want if they can get away with it.
It’s still about power since they can only do that to people without power (temporarily due to impairment or permanently due to society).
But it’s not the rapist getting off on having power, it’s the rapist doing whatever they want because someone else has no power to stop them and the rapist has no empathy.
Narcissism, vs sadism.
Idk about any woman he wanted. There are plenty of people who were never attracted to him, and he may be dysfunctional in a way that draws him to those people.
No one can ever have anyone they want. There will always be someone that says no, and if you don’t have the maturity to accept that and let go of your sense of entitlement you might wind up turning into a predator like Masterson.
have you ever heard the term " a figure of speech" pretty sure that’s what op meant
Yea, I know. But they used the figure of speech in a fairly absolute way that I disagree with.
Being hot and wanted doesn’t make a person any less likely to be a predator.
The juxtaposition of “anyone he wants without raping them” against “sentenced to 30 years for rape” has a pretty clear contextual implication that you intentionally ignored.
Feel free to point out where that was referenced in the comment I was replying to.
I didn’t ignore it, it wasn’t relevant.
It’s literally the title of the post my dude.
That was said in response to the context of Danny Masterson being sentenced to jail for rape.
It is relevant, and you are choosing to die on the hill of pedantry on a point no one but you is actually asserting. You choose to take a figure of speech, that was a juxtaposition of the title of the article and apply an absolute. It doesn’t read that easy to anyone who isn’t making a choice to omit the context.
I was going to say the same thing.
Imagine reading about the decades of wounds these poor women suffered, only for the associated press to ask you to pay them to read more about their pain.
AP is free, click decline.
If it’s free, why do I have to click at all?
The internet isn’t a movie.
If it’s free why do I need a ISP and device to view it?
I feel sorry for his castmates. I’m sure they were counting on decades of reruns and residual checks.
I mean it sucks that it’s a missed money opportunity, (who wouldn’t love to coast on prior work they’ve done?) but a lot of the actors and actresses turned out just fine monetarily speaking idk. They’ll be alright.
I really only feel sorry for the people he raped and the people who have to handle these types of cases day in and day out.
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I’m sure they’ll manage to get by.
If they can’t, they can just get a normal job like the rest of us.
We can’t all live off of the ‘work’ we did decades ago, lol.
I don’t see why the show has to stop airing because 1 person in the cast did something shitty. Make part of the deal that all his residual checks go to support rape victims or something. So he gets nothing, the rest of the cast carries on as normal, and more victims get help.
First, my commnet was a bit sarcastic. Obviously, his victims have it much worse than his castmates.
Second, your proposal makes sense to me. On the other hand, I can see why the stations wouldn’t want the show on the air.
I understand your point but you’re not really making a lot of sense with your logic here
Who are you responding to?
I believe the song “incurably innocent” by At The Drive-In is about this piece of shit. He sexually assaulted Cedric’s wife.
Bastard is better behind bars.
