Microsoft is releasing a big Windows 11 update on September 26. Update 23H2 includes the new AI-powered Windows Copilot feature, a native RAR app, a new volume mixer and a lot more.

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    How do I install the nVidia drivers on Linux? I asking in case I decide to finally switch (found some Linux DAW, now all is happy, likely will go with Ubuntu + KDE).

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      Depends on the distro you choose, but these days it’s nothing too complicated. Either clicking an option for enabling the private driver in the drivers settings, or worse case just running a couple commands to manually add the private driver repo and download the package. You are done in 5 min m

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      For the Open Source Nouveau Driver, it’s included in Mesa. You may also need the xf86-video-nouveau driver for 2D acceleration on X11 depending on your hardware. For example anything older than NV50 (G80) would likely need it. Newer GPU’s have seen better results when falling back onto the modesetting driver.

      For the Proprietary Drivers, it depends on the distro; most allow you to install them during the installation of the distro (few do it automatically afaik), using a GUI driver manager/detection tool included in some distros or using your package manager.
      A distro like fedora however requires extra steps because they’re not included in the official repos.

      I hope you find this more informative than “install PopOS or X distro” that includes the proprietary drivers on the installation ISO itself.

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      If you’re set on Nvidia, I recommend Pop OS or Nobara. Pop has a separate image that preinstalls Nvidia drivers. Nobara has a built in tool to download and install Nvidia drivers on first launch. Of the two, I’d probably go with Nobara (I’ve been using it for a year or so, love it) because not only does it have that tool, it also has an official KDE version, which it sounds like you’d prefer. You could install KDE with Pop, but I’ve done that before, and it creates a bloated nightmare of conflicting apps.

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      On Ubuntu it’s just an option during installation. So far that’s the easiest install I’ve seen.

      OpenSUSE supports a graphical install through their software manager, but I found it caused some issues so I ended up using the command line. That was actually very easy if you’re not uncomfortable using a terminal. Their docs were also accurate and easy to follow.

      On fedora I followed the official docs but their instructions didn’t work, so I had to find some thread on a forum with alternate instructions. It took over an hour to get it working.

      For sheer ease of use I would definitely stick to Ubuntu since that’s also the only distro Steam officially supports. I’ve had a good experience with OpenSUSE though so I’m sticking with it.

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      Not NVidia driver-related, but I would recommend KDE Neon or Kubuntu since they’re both KDE and Ubuntu-based, KDE Neon is made by KDE while Kubuntu is an Ubuntu flavor.

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      What DAW do you use? I was pretty happy with Bitwig, the only con is that it’s not FOSS.

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        I found LMMS, which is perfectly fine for playing around with music. Lacks a few features though unfortunately, like recording at the moment. Not open source, but I also use Reaper, mainly to test MIDI stuff of my game engine through a loopback port on Windows (I’m a crazy person, and I wrote software synthesizers for my game engine).

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          LMMS and Reaper weren’t my things. I usually do everything by Terminal, but DAWs I’d where UI is a core necessity. IMO LMMS and Reaper just dont have those. Good that you found a setup through! Music on Linux is definitely getting better, maybe even faster than gaming.

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    I see you are trying to open the terminal, would you like me to:

    A: break your knees

    B: kill your entire family

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    AI isn’t the only game in town, as this is also a traditional OS update with the usual quality of life improvements. There’s finally native support for RAR and 7-zip file formats, so you can get rid of those third-party archiving apps.

    LMAO It just hit me that Windows STILL did not have native ways to do this. We’ve been using .rar for 30 years and for this whole time, Microsoft never released their own utility for opening them until now. Wow.

    EDIT: Mb. I meant to say the .rar files. I have corrected my comment. It’s still ridiculous, though.

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    The only feature I’m looking forward to is the ability to ungroup multiple instances of the same program in the talk bar. That feature was around forever but for some reason they disabled it in Windows 11.

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    To give users access to an amalgamation of other’s works? Or to give MS access to the user’s works?

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      to further force people into signing-in to an online microsoft account just to use their damn pc, probably.

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      Downvote = “it’s not illegal to copy portions of your code using complicated algebra so I will ignore your software license. Also, fuck you for objecting” ?

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    Gonna get downvoted to crap for this, but what the hell - hi, it’s me, I’m that one guy who actually loves Windows a little more with every release. I’m continually surprised by the good stuff that’s baked into the OS now (e.g. Much better multi-monitor support) and how the real power users can do a whole load more besides with Powertoys (key remapping!) - It’s really encouraging to see that I need fewer and fewer specialist programs to get Windows to work just how I want.

    I’m not wildly sold on AI being baked into the OS, but what the heck - Microsoft have earned their goodwill from me in recent years. I’ll play around with it with interest.

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      I’ve been using Linux in various ways since the mid 90s, work has dictated OSX to me for the last decade or so, and I still choose windows as my desktop OS. I use copilot, and it’s great for development, but also great for generating text in a lot of ways. I miss it in my browser when I go to put in a pull request, and I miss it sometimes when explaining blocks of code or giving someone else an outline of how to do something. It doesn’t really lower my need to understand things, but it just speeds up the most mundane parts of the job. If ‘having it in the OS’ means it could fill in those bits, I’d wish even more I could use windows for work.

      It’s great as a dev platform with WSL2 a great experience, VS codes built in remote server, native first class hypervisor support (with competent virtual networking). I know IT admins still hate it, and I’m sure a lot of the things that don’t affect me still suck, but they are building a good user experience.

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      I’ll be very surprised if AI is actually “baked into” the OS. A client to their cloud AI will be baked in, but that’s not the same thing IMO.

      (btw powertoys is great, multimonitor support is great too, if they finally fix the task bar I might finally go to Win11)

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        A client to their cloud AI will be baked in

        That would instantly kill the feature for me. Hope its easy to remove but I know how shitty MS is about getting that data.

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        You could use things like StartAllBack to bring back the “classic” taskbar and start menu (Windows 7 style) There’s Open Shell and Start 11 too, I don’t use them but they’re good afaik.

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          I use Start 10. It’s good, and I’ve tried Start 11 on a Win 11 VM, but while it sort of lets you ungroup the taskbar it wasn’t a great experience. I want MS to do it for real.

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            Well StartAllBack brings back the Windows 7 style taskbar with all of its functions, Microsoft may add some functionalities but don’t expect them to do it quickly or at all.

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      I was like you until windows 10. I opted out of that. It just felt like losing control over my computer. Windows 11 even more so.

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      Tl;Dr I hate hate hate windows, but 11 is better than 10 (feature wise) and works good for being windows.

      When using windows (at work and only at work), I hate it every day. I actively think “I hate windows”. Sometimes multiple times per day. It’s not objective at all (even through there are good, objective reasons to hate windows).

      BUT: Upgrading from windows 10 to windows 11 is an improvement (If you ignore all spyware and corporate crap shenanigans). Windows became a little less ugly and does some things that you would previously have to hack into it.

      Windows terminal is usable, at least compared to other windows terminals. Don’t get me wrong, it sucks, but it sucks less than many other things. Powertoys is band aid, but that band aid is still pretty useless.

      That new AI crap ware is just garbage that is forced on users. I don’t want their crappy “AI” that (in my opinion) highly violates open source licenses (the GPL at least). And I don’t get why they do that too, most people don’t even code, why would they need that copilot crap ware?

      Luckily, I might have the option to ditch windows and install a proper OS, only with the cost of being my own IT department.

      Honest question: What about the Monitor improvements? Haven’t noticed anything.

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        I used to have DisplayFusion to customise just how I liked, so I don’t know exactly when a lot of this stuff changed - could even have been Windows 10 - but things like support for different backgrounds on each monitor, ability to indicate the relative heights your monitors are set at so the mouse flows smoothly between them (useful if you have a proper screen and a laptop one for example), mouse will scroll the window where the cursor is currently located rather than the active window as default, easier snap layouts to simulate a dual monitor setup on one…generally it just works exactly how I would expect out of the box.

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    As they say, It’s all about choice. I’m not overly enamoured byIthe additional features, other than the security and similar uodates. Less keen on the bakes in AI. I’ll see how we get on, but thinking about my last windows machine also migrating to Debian.

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    If I look at what Windows 11 is, its features and the new features, I honestly can’t work out who Microsoft’s target market is anymore.

    With the pricing for AI, I can’t even work out which enterprises would consume it.

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      Here’s the funny thing. Some enterprise sectors will not use W11 until it has some sysadmin reliable way to disable all the telemetry. In my company W11 and Chrome are banned because they cannot be locked down from phoning home, which is a security liability. No way they’re going to allow a rogue blackbox LLM running wild in our computers.

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        You just have to use the Enterprise addition and group policy out their stuff. It isn’t really hard if you have been doing it with Windows 10 but you have to start with the Enterprise addition and that can be $$$

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          They explored that option and find it not secure enough. Even with strict group policy settings W11 still misbehaves. We are locked to W10 for the time being, but ICT is not convinced for how long we can keep it.

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            they are making excuses, I get to see the firewall data and Win11 isn’t really different from Win10 that hasn’t been cleaned up

            The thing is, if you use Office 365 the point is moot and if you use any cloud system, its straight out the door already

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      People using WinRAR. “Why would people use WinRAR?” It has more features than 7zip (password, encryption, profile presets especially).

      If you’re asking why Microsoft would include it as a format for their extremely basic compression tool built into Explorer… why not, it’s one of the top three formats.

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        more features than 7zip (password, encryption,

        Eh? 7zip supports these.

        profile presets

        I have to admit, I’m not familiar with this feature.

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          What I mean is more options for those features. The profiles and password tools are especially clever. (Examples: Password organizer can be locked with short master password, great for quickly decrypting archives matching ANY stored password. Profiles can quickly encrypt using specific settings, including super-long saved password without entering it.)

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      Memesters, because WinRAR is a negware type of shareware (having an unlimited trial period), which constitutes as being “the good guy”.

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          Don’t try to understand memesters. I once installed one 7zip instead of WinRAR, and he installed the latter because “it’s free, you just have to click the button and wait a little bit”. It was even worse with the uTorrent vs. qBitTorrent situation, where the former is a de-facto spyware/adware, but the latter isn’t in piracy memes.

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    Going off of Dave Plummer’s video, looks like copilot is kind of a wash. It has the potential to do some neat stuff on desktop, but its crappily shoehorned into the OS instead.

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        I got hands on w11 after 3 years on Linux and didn’t know what to do - it was some home edition and I couldn’t find what I want in the amount of unwanted apps.

        Btw it was fresh install.

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        Sadly I can’t do that as I’m stuck with a laptop made for Windows for probably rest of the year. Dual-booting was just not a pleasant experience. Pretty sure the wifi is broken on the laptop too.

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          Most laptops are “made for Windows”, but they run Ubuntu just fine. It’s highly unlikely that wifi isn’t working out of the box nowadays.

          So the only reason not to switch would be if you have certain applications that only work on Windows.

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            This person just stated it wasn’t a pleasant experience for them, you’re not going to magically change that by trying to argue it away.

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              Dual booting is never a pleasant experience, because Windows is a bitch that fights and breaks the bootloader at every opportunity it can to claim superiority over the computer. But deleting Windows and just running Linux is a perfectly viable and pleasant option.

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                It definitely used to, but I have been using my laptop with dual boot Ubuntu / windows 10 since last years summer (using either several times per week, and keeping up with all the updates), and not once did the bootloader break.

                My biggest problem was chasing down the windows drivers, but after that it was golden.

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          Oh, I’m stuck with Windows at work myself. It’s even more painful if you know what the user experience could be.