Tesla cut the price of some Model 3 and Model Y versions in the U.S. after the company reported third-quarter deliveries that missed market expectations.
The starting price for the Model 3 is listed at $38,990 on Tesla’s website, down from $40,240 previously. The long range Model 3 fell from $47,240 to $45,990. And the Model 3 Performance fell to $50,990 from $53,240.
Tesla’s Model Y Performance sports utility vehicle now starts at $52,490, down from a previous price of $54,490.
Beginning at the end of last year, Tesla began cutting the prices of its cars across the world in a bid to stoke demand amid concerns over slowing consumer spending in markets like the U.S. and China and as competition in the electric vehicle space ramped up.
Who in their right mind, after seeing Elon Musk destroy Twitter at the behest of the Saudis, all while supporting antidemocratic Fascists from every corner of the globe, buy one of his Fascistmobiles and fly his Fascist flag?
I love Teslas and hate Elon. Have family members who feel the same and own Teslas. The cars are amazing, fun, cool, and made by people who aren’t Elon. He will never make me hate Tesla. Also, friendly reminder that Ford is heavily responsible for EVs not existing decades sooner, Toyota donated more than any company to Jan6 Republicans, and the average car CEO is a piece of shit. Elon is just an outspoken piece of shit.
Or work at any of his companies. Would like to hear from lemmy users working for him.
A lot of folks work in those factories that have no idea about Elon, other than that he’s rich. So many folks don’t bother to stay informed.
More thinking all those vps, managers, hr, engineers, customer service, sales, marketing etc. they obviously are well informed and choose to stay.
Everything I’ve heard online is Musk runs his companies like cults.
I really doubt this for factories in the US. Whether you follow celebrity news or not, Musk’s name is all over the place for one reason or another. US workers absolutely know what’s going on.
As one of those workers, you’d be astonished at the misinformation I hear coming out of my coworkers mouths. Now mind you, I don’t work for Tesla, but I’m absolutely more informed than the vast majority of my coworkers.
teslas are pretty cool cars. lots of fun features that make them really feel unique.
Like a giant fucking iPad for a dashboard.
That’s not at all distracting.
It’s really not.
I’m in the market for a new car. Probably an electric. Sometime in the next 3-5 years. I’ll be fucked if I even consider one of this douchecunt’s cars.
Why not plug in hybrid, though. Seems like the best of both worlds since we don’t have an infrastructure fully in place.
Seems like anything you buy is somewhat of a gamble. Internal combustion engines/gasoline could be gone or (more likely) far less desirable in 10 years. As manufacturers begin switching to primarily electric cars, finding parts/labor for these vehicles may become challenging. With a hybrid, I wonder if you carry all the same risks (as far as the long term value of the vehicle) as a normal gasoline-powered car.
But maybe the timeline for this is more like 20 years.
Wrong. Plugin hybrids are the worst of both worlds. You have extra complexity and maintenance requirements on top of reduced efficiency. EVs are the future and the charging infrastructure is only getting better. Reselling any ICE car within the next few years is going to be a losing proposition.
Idk I had my Volt for 8 years and had one pull change in that time and nothing else. I think your bring dramatic.
It’s falling because the cars are garbage. Slightly cutting the prices doesn’t make them any less garbage. You could get an EV from a reputable brand for much less.
Please list the cars available “for much less” with equivalent range. We’ll wait.
Range, performance, and features. I hate Musk as much as the next person, but let’s not act like Teslas aren’t the standard for EVs price-to-performance wise.
The marketing stated range or the actual range, cause reality is a bitch
That is an odd flex considering Tesla is currently being sued for lying about that very thing.
Yes, they were talking about Tesla’s deceptively marketed range.
Tesla isn’t the cheapest but “much less” is inaccurate, especially once the tax credit (at least in the US) comes into play and as you try to find like-for-like range and features.
The bolt ev/euv is cheaper and has all the features except an “autopilot”, which is a plus that your car won’t kill you
Unfortunately they are being discontinued and the leftover inventory is hard to find in my experience.
They were being discontinued but I got told by someone the other day they got recontinued due to feedback on the cancellation
You are correct, Chevy’s messaging has been confusing. The current bolt is ending production this year and a new bolt platform is being developed, with most people expecting a release no sooner than 2025.
Ah great, super clear GM, good job. Thanks for the clarification
It’s also microsized compared to the Model 3 and most any other EV.
The EUV doesn’t really compare.
Currently no access to the Supercharger network, a much slower fast-charging curve, the ADAS features lag Autopilot, the center console is laggy, and for the nerds who care, Tesla’s API isn’t closed down like OnStar. It’s rear cargo ties and Carplay support are the only bonuses. The Bolt EUV is even losing features – this year’s model removed heated seats, putting further reliance on running a heater, which is a bad thing for range.
your car won’t kill you
The car doesn’t kill you, people not paying attention while driving kills. NHTSA’s primary investigation is basically about drivers of Tesla vehicles not paying attention and determining if Tesla is being aggressive enough about focus detection.
NHTSA is reviewing whether Tesla vehicles adequately ensure drivers are paying attention. Previously, the agency said evidence suggested drivers in most crashes under review had complied with Tesla’s alert strategy that seeks to compel driver attention, raising questions about its effectiveness.
And yes, I considered purchasing one or going to the Mustang Mach-E. The Mach-E is a much more viable contender. The Bolt EUV was very unimpressive and not really comparable.
I don’t know why Lemmy hates Tesla so much. Hate Elon, sure, he’s probably behind the crazy quotas leading to poor build quality and definitely behind overselling FSD, but if it wasn’t for Tesla we would still have no viable EVs. I hope competition makes a good one soon but right now Tesla is the best EV with the best charging network. Lots of people are driving them now.
They’re hellishly expensive cars. They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless. They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range. The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don’t even have), rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall, they are prone to rust, and the FSD despite clearly not being “fully self driving” or even road safe is available as an extra subscription, that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car. Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.
Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk’s been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing. There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it’s shocking it hasn’t been shut down), and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.
Then there’s all the weird-ass design decisions, like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it’s just a malshaped steering wheel. They’ve also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons, and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.
If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.
It’s a bad company, and they’re bad cars.
This rant is unproductive, incorrect, and wildly exaggerated.
They’re hellishly expensive cars.
No. Welcome to the new price of cars.
They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless.
Opted out. Car still usable.
They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range.
Edmunds found they aren’t that far off, especially seeing that the range estimates are all over the place.
The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don’t even have)
Sure, I’ll give this one to you. While it’s a no-fuss operation to get them to fix it, it shouldn’t come out the factory.
rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall,
Isolated.
they are prone to rust,
When?
and the FSD despite clearly not being “fully self driving” or even road safe is available as an extra subscription,
What other ADAS software have you used?
that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.
If the vehicle gives 2-3 warning messages before engaging it and consistently reminds the driver to pay attention, there’s not much more the car can do here if a driver wants to screw off.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car.
Which EV has a cheap battery replacement? Teslas are down to about $12-15k, which in 2023, is cheaper than a new car.
Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.
All EV batteries lose range in the winter. Most manufacturers have a feature to pre-warm the battery to reduce the effects of this. Nobody’s leaving their cars on the motorway either.
Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk’s been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing.
Tesla wasn’t shipping a car until his money became involved.
There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it’s shocking it hasn’t been shut down),
I don’t know enough about German manufacturing to comment, but I’d be interested in learning more about factory accident rates of Tesla vs. other carmakers.
and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.
Like what?
Then there’s all the weird-ass design decisions,
So personal preferences.
like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it’s just a malshaped steering wheel.
And this was reverted to a wheel by default now on the S/X, which were the only two vehicles having this as an option.
They’ve also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons,
… have you seen other vehicles? Mercedes and Volkswagen (though, now backing off) is going down this route
and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.
Personal preference.
If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.
Can you show where this dedicated fart button is?
Amazing job going point by point! We need this type of sanity check
It’s a decent enough company owned by a sack of shit, and the cars are pretty good.
Honestly I think I’m more dissuaded because of who Elon has become.
Knowing he can swoop into Tesla and start making decisions that over rule the experts that work there like he did at twitter should scare people who can’t afford to just buy another EV if it happens to Tesla.
“If” it happens to Tesla? Pretty sure the over promising if FSD and the poor build quality have always been Tesla things driven by Musk. Once competition gears up I really hope Tesla improves. It’s actually a fun car to drive just make sure you get one that was built properly and don’t bother with FSD.
Look at twitter though, I’m not convinced Tesla cant get much much worse and I think its directly related to how much time Musk spends doing his job there.
The difference is Twitter is a private company, and Tesla is public. Meaning he is free to run Twitter into the ground because at the end of the day, it’s his to do as he pleases. But with Tesla, he has to ultimately answer to the share holders, if he starts running amok of the company, they can vote to give him the boot and he can’t really do anything about it.
I was drawn to them when they were new and different and it seemed like some of the problems were just growing pains. Now it seems like Tesla started as a great idea and quickly got steamrolled into a clown show like everything else Elon touches. At one point I wanted a model 3 but now I’d rather have a gas electric hybrid like a Prius or something and an ebike or scooter.
You mean added ad content that’s not removable or blockable, charging a subscription for no new features, and blocking users he doesn’t like.
Yeah I’m not buying a car from a megalomaniac that might flip the switch for Tesla over 6 months to become his new biggest ad/subscription machine.
People here act like he murdered babies and reimplemented slavery. dude just says some stupid shit on twitter, a platform he overpaid for. y’all should be happy he’s pushing people to alternative social media platforms.
I think you’re minimizing the damage he is causing with his platform. He is saying and, allowing to be said, the quiet parts out loud representing the worst parts of humanity and, because it’s his platform literally, no one can stop him.
Can you point to some of the things he said that are particular egregious? And please don’t deflect onto another topic if possible
Honestly, if you need examples enumerated you are likely part of the problem
That’s a neat trick to get out of backing up your statement. You said he’s saying the quiet parts out loud, I’m a little baffled on what you are referring to.
There are quality issues but the success of Tesla was mostly due to the hype created by Elon, now that most of the people that care the most about the environment dislike Elon of course their sales drop
The success was because for a solid 5 years, the Model 3/Y were the only widely available long range EVs.
The people that care the most about the environment aren’t buying electric cars at all. That’s not the solution.
You’re right. They’re buying F150s and Expeditions because that’s much better for us.
Let me guess: nuclear and next gen thorium reactors. lol.
2010 called. They want their power utility talking points back.
In the US we live where options other than cars simply aren’t subsidized or funded meaningfully for transit. This means yeah people who have to survive are going to be buying cars if they need them.
Keeping one’s existing car if less than 20 years old, or buying a used efficient hybrid or used electric would both go further than buying a brand new electric. The typical capitalism throwaway wasteful lifestyle of the last century isn’t going to stop climate change, even if it has a cute green leaf icon on the dashboard.
You’re letting perfection be the enemy of good. There will never be a perfect solution, especially for the end consumer.
For most of us that’s the best solution we can do. I’ve already cut out all the waste I can, I grow my own vegetables, I’m getting rain barrels and compost for my garden, I tried to get solar but the cost was too prohibitive here, I have shopped non-plastic alternatives everywhere i can, I limit travel as much as I’m allowed, but I need to drive to work like most Americans. My government will not be expanding public transit, there’s no interest at the federal or state levels and my local level just throws up racist dogwhistles about crime spreading if they add trains or buses every time the public petitions for it.
An electric car is the best I can do, I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Too expensive to run proper power to my garage to go electric. My main panel is in the basement on the other side of my house.
I also had this problem. I was lucky enough to have an electric dryer plug near the garage, and got a “splitvolt” brand switching box, which is awesome.
I do have an electric dryer plug on the other side of one of the walls as well. Hmmm. I need to look into this
If you take a look at the socket, the ones with three prongs are not recommended but it is possible they were installed with a 4th wire in the cable but the socket is 3 prong. I replaced my 3 prong socket with 4 prong one (the 4th wire is ground, crazy stupid to not use it.) Cheap and 26 amps at 220-240 volts.
Obviously you don’t need one, but for those who may benefit: I’ve been using a weird 3 prong to 4 prong plug adapter for several years now without trouble. It has a ground wire that you plug into the ground slot of a nearby outlet, so it’s quite safe.
Yes, you can do that, but remember that if there is a critical problem that forces the complete current into the ground wire, rare. the ground wire from a smaller socket is also likely to be smaller gauge wire. You will likely end up with the same problem of not having a ground wire as the donor ground could just burn up. You can reduce the possibility of the donor socket ground wire from burning by not allowing anything else to use the socket/wireloop(if there is more than one socket using the same breaker switch).
This is not proper electrical code, but there is no reason to stop using these cords as the possibility of catastrophic failure from causing much harm. As usual, I would err on the side of safety and suggest getting a professional to work on it and using the proper socket for the plug.
Thanks for the info. That would be a crazy, albeit still possible, situation. I’m going to keep using my plug, mostly because I’m renting. Don’t tell my landlord.
In 2021, I almost bought a Tesla, but needed a car quickly and they had a long wait. I’d still consider it but it has now become clear that Elon Musk sucks, so I’ll never buy one.
My next car will be an EV from literally any other company.
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What’s confusing? I would consider it if Elon Musk hadn’t shown himself to be a despicable person.
I’d avoid VW too, honestly. They were had to build out Electrify America because they cheated with emissions. They clearly do not give a shit about it and their charging stations are continually rated the worst.
Yeah, used to own VWs. They are shit cars and that’s why I stopped buying them, but the emissions cheating was also a nail in the coffin for my consideration of them.
Fwiw my Bolt has been rock solid so far. I’m getting about 240 miles per charge (to 90%, not full). It’s a city driver though, I wouldn’t plan to take it on a road trip
You can’t really get away from Tesla chargers though if you need to do a road trip. Happily, many other brands are adopting the standard so I think soon anyone can use them.
You can use adapters
Yeah in thinking about a Bolt if my Aptera order doesn’t come through.
