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And there’s NeoWin again with the Windows 12 clickbaits. This “leak” is just Windows 11 IoT Enterprise Subscription, and there’s absolutely nothing nowhere that even mentions the number 12.
But… But… But… Russian propaganda! Microsoft bad, Linux good!
Yeah, this seems like the kind of thing they’d try to push on Business/Pro+ users, where management is willing to fork out absurd amounts of money monthly as long as the per-seat price can be vaguely justified. Doing this for home users would just be dumb. Plenty of people would see the monthly subscription and go “eh I don’t need a computer, I can just use my phone.”
They definitely want to, this news “leak” is meant to determine if they will.
as always, Microsoft is the biggest advertiser of Linux
And still Linux is nowhere close to being a usable desktop OS experience. I’d pick Mac over Linux any day.
Had me in the first half not gonna’ lie.
It’s a fun way to trigger modern Linux fanboys who have no idea that Mac OS is a UNIX compliant system that pretty much originated on BSD codebase.
Using Mac OS is about as good of an experience as taking a hammer to my fingers.
Now imagine it is still less suffering than Linux.
Then what the fuck did I do over past 2 years?
Yes, because you are definitely a regular computer user who has no idea what sh is.
Linux gives you the ability to be your own system admin.
Most people don’t want or need that and have been steadily handing over more and more admin duties of their systems to Microsoft, Apple and Google since smartphones have become widely adopted.
But Linux is totally usable to anyone who had enough admin skills to run Windows XP and not get totally wrecked by malware. It’s just a matter of learning.
Only power users want to be their own system admins. A regular user just wants stuff to work.
Linux is unusable for general population.
This makes sense for the edge case of power users. The general use case of Windows won’t learn to be their own sysadmin.
with respect, have you honestly tried desktop linux? what do you consider about it difficult?
I keep trying it on and off since before suse/opensuse and redhat/fedora split.
From someone who’s first distro was slackware: it has nothing to do with difficulty. Linux, even the most user friendly distros, kinda stuck for a regular non tech savy users
I actually agree with you and I think I like it like that. It’s like our own little language that nobody else speaks.
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A pretty minor mistake for a non-native speaker. Thanks though :)
my only gripe with linux is… gaming. Not the AAA titles which usually run pretty well, the indie games.
they are usually full of small but frustrating issues.
Like for example steam overlay is broken in celeste due to xna/amd bug which makes is frustrating while using big picture mode/gamepadui.
People playground just does not work. at all. immediately crashes with an unknown unity error.
stormworks? random freezes after minifying or switching virtual desktops if running under xwaylandThat shouldn’t be a gripe on Linux, it should be a gripe on game developers not supporting Linux. This is like blaming Nintendo when your Switch emulator on the PC isn’t working right.
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You are not a regular user. You are tech heavy user. I have spent enough time with Linux (my fav distro used to be Slackware), and it’s not ready for general consumption.
I would disagree. There are distros out there that make it so easy. Especially with flatpak. I think it’s not 100% user friendly, but neither is windows. If you can’t use Mint Cinnamon, you probably can’t use windows well either. That means you’re just using the web, email, and office for the most part anyway. With package manager gui interfaces, it’s easier to find things with Linux than windows. I think I could show my grandma Linux more easily than windows nowadays. A normal user will get around without ever having to think about PPAs or anything like that.
I use Linux every day and it’s hard to disagree entirely. To use Linux independently, you have to either be willing to Google errors (more so than on Windows) or do nothing more than browse the web and maybe read some email.
However, the worst Linux distro (ChromeOS Flex) is a perfectly fine operating system that will work for almost everyone
I’m not sure of Mac is the answer though. Every time I see people boast about how much better macOS is, that seems to come with the caveat “after purchasing X to do window docking, Y to fix this, Z to fix that, and setting this and that setting”.
It also ran quite terribly on my hardware, especially when Nvidia stopped releasing drivers for my GPU, so I’ll stay with Linux myself for the time being.
Apart from the fact that it’s a bullshit headline cobbled together from half truths to tickle your anger glands… sure.
Y’all really need to actually click the article and read the first sentence. This has nothing to do with Windows 12, and even Neowin has clarified that right at the top in an update.
Microsoft is a bad company, but it’s a little worrying when someone can just say some random things in a title and have it be believed without question, just because it paints Microsoft in a negative light.
It’s more that MS has leaned into the subscription model with Office 365 and such.
Windows is already kind of a “Freemium” OS, so I’m expecting them to continue in that fashion. Your are right, the article is mostly pointless speculation that was refuted anyways, but I’ll admit it sounded a bit off to me anyways. MS wants people to be running Windows, so they can seem then GamePass subscriptions, Office365 subscriptions, and whatever other services they can think of. As such, I expect the core OS to be very free. Just what constitutes core functionality versus Premium features might change.
It is very worrying that they’ve detained destroyed their reputation so much that any negative news about them is automatically believable.
Let me introduce you to humans; tell them anything and at least one person will believe it. Get enough of them together and you too can have such crazy beliefs as: sky daddy is real and you make him angry, the earth is flat, the earth is a doughnut, the earth is hollow, you have 5g chips inside your body that allow you to be mind controlled, lizard people.
Need I go on?…
Corporations are the economic version of cancer
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OSAAS, Nope #RUNBSD
Yeah, please do that. It will be great!
90% of all techbro “innovation” is one or more of the following:
“Put it on the cloud!”
“Make it a subscription service!”
“Put it on the blockchain!”
“Add more surveillance!”
You forgot “Use AI”
It’s so blatantly in front of me that I was like a fish not noticing water
And they’ll still steal all your data and spy on everything you do!
Anyone got any good reccs for Linux? Preferably something that plays nicely with both laptop and desktop.
if your looking for something super beginner friendly, i would reccomend Mint (ubuntu based). if you want something slightly more work to learn, then EndevourOS (arch based, similar to manjaro), because it has Pacman and the Arch User Repository. both have good support and community, and many editions (different desktop environments preconfigured), i would recommend KDE or maybe Cinnamon (better for Mint), though it is not as big of a choice as distro (you can change DEs). KDE has a lot of awesome features out of the box, so its a great choice for beginners
Pop_OS is where it’s at
Like the others say, Linux Mint. If you wanna spend a bunch more time configuring everything and solving issues then you can use other distros like Arch and Debian. For new users though, I suggest Linux Mint.
I’ve been running PopOS, and it’s been flawless.
I’ve had a very good experience with Fedora for the past few years, but I’ve also heard good things about Endeavor OS for an Arch based experience
I guess I gotta be the basic bitch here.
Try mint, particularly with their own DE, cinnamon. It really is a great overall experience. I’ve run it on something like five or six different PCs in my own home, plus two laptops. Zero issues in years. Right now, the only thing in the house that isn’t running it is my audio PC, because musicbee is a pain to get running on Linux at all.
That’s the only downfall for Linux currently. There’s no good audio programs that are Linux native. At best, stuff like clementine and similar options are acceptable players, but they’re shit at anything else.
My most recent laptop, it was as easy as popping in the usb drive, installing, and putting it to use. But that’s a ThinkPad, and they’re super Linux friendly. Mint has the important stuff on it to begin with, so unless you need specific programs, you’ll be functional faster than with a fresh windows install. Even if you have a handful of other programs you can’t live without, you aren’t going to run into major issues.
Mind you, any of the other distros mentioned so far are pretty much just as plug n play too, but mint seems to play well with any hardware at all. Plus, cinnamon is such a damn nice DE
Cool, even more reason to stick with 10 as long as I can. Enshitify everything, who even cares anymore?
Will win 7 be the last ever usable OS from Microsoft, or will Windows 13 turn out decent? Only time will tell.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
Y’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
🤑
That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
From what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
the last one you “buy”, anyway.
didn’t they say windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows? hence why they jumped to the number 10 as it’s nice and round.
I thought they jumped to it because ancient, poorly made software would check for Windows 9* to cover 95 and 98, and could now potentially catch windows 9 as well
Java was one of those poorly made software, but it seems stupid to program a check like that. What’s the chance that after Windows 98, Microsoft would release Windows 99? The check should just used the version number. If Windows 95 was 4.0 and Windows 98 was 4.1 should have done the check as “4.*” as a future compatible version could have been 4.2 (win me was 4.9) while one with so many changes that it might need a newer version of the app could have been 5.0 (windows 2000)
I said it was going to by my last version of Windows. Coincidence?
Yes, but they’ve always been liars.
No the company itself never said it
I’m pretty sure they used 10 because 7 was build 7xxx, 8 was build 8xxx, and 8.1 was 9xxx, making at least the initial versions of 10 10xxx.
IMHO that’s a coincidence of the build counter. 7 was 7600, 8 was 9200 and 8.1 was 9600. Then they changed how often they redo a build, so now it’s over 23000
But at the time of win 10 release I saw on Twitter a screenshot of a decompiled ancient Java setup that did a check “if Windows 9*”…
Can’t find that again
now that gaming is getting better on Linux thanks to proton, I am unbothered
Seriously. I’ve been using Windows for years and every time I’ve tried to move it’s games that stopped me. Proton is literally a game changer. I’m not a hardcore Guild Wars 2 player but I play daily. The game ruins flawlessly with Proton.
Valve 👏
VR Support is sorely lacking, though. And no, the Quest standalone is not a solution - it’s an android phone strapped to your face.
The Valve Index works natively on Linux.
Virtual Desktop / Oculus does not
Exactly what I was thinking.
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
I’m not casting judgement on whether the drivers are good or not I’m merely pointing out that they’re not preinstalled and a lot of people don’t even know what a driver is.
If Linux isn’t out of the box simple easy like Windows people are never going to switch to it no matter how terrible Microsoft become. They will go to Apple before they go to Linux.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
No, you said:
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
You’re moving the goalposts.
Hang on…
Some distros (mint, Ubuntu) prompt the user to install proprietary drivers during the installation process, it’s very easy.
On Windows you have to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website and install them manually, that’s crazy!
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Debian comes with proprietary drivers now
I think it comes with proprietary firmware, not drivers.
Apologies, mixed up the terms in my head
It’s called Linux MInt.
I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers
Who can’t have them? 90-some percent of Linux distributions make them available to those who are unfortunate enough to need them.
