Disabled people in Bristol could be forced to live in care homes if it is cheaper than providing support for them in their own homes.
Bristol City Council’s proposed Fair and Affordable Care Policy says disabled people whose in-home care exceeds the local authority rates could be placed in nursing or residential homes under a new scheme.
The policy is currently out for public consultation until 31 January 2024.
Bristol City Council has stressed that should changes come into effect, discussions will be had with the disabled person they impact, before decisions are made.
However, the proposal has been fiercely challenged by disability equality organisations including Bristol Reclaiming Independent Living (BRIL).
Mark Williams, from BRIL, said he was ‘stunned’ when he first saw the draft policy.
He told ITV West Country: "At the moment the main people that we’re really worried about are autistic people and people with severe learning difficulties because they are more likely to have high support needs and so risk having their support cut and being moved to care homes.
“It is very worrying if Bristol is bringing the policy that other councils would do the same.”
BRIL is holding an open online meeting about the threat the new policy poses to independent living on 5 January.
The policy also received significant backlash from Disability Rights UK when it was first discussed in April 2023.
The charity said: "[We] believe that the policy fails to uphold the rights of disabled people in Bristol to receive the care and support they need based on personal preference. And the right to live independently at home with choice and control over care and support.
“The draft policy, as stated, is incompatible with the rights we are granted under the Care Act 2014.”
A spokesperson for Bristol City Council said the proposed policy was co-developed with the Bristol City Council Adult Social Care Equalities Forum and the policy stresses that all decisions will be made in collaboration with the disabled person they impact.
The consultation: https://www.ask.bristol.gov.uk/fair-and-affordable-care-policy-consultation
Bristol City Council has stressed that should changes come into effect, discussions will be had with the disabled person they impact, before decisions are made.
Council: “We’re putting you in a care home”
Disabled person: “I don’t want that”
Council: “IDGAF what you want”
Yeah universal healthcare!
This would still be infinitely preferable to zero care for the poor. Because of course, the wealthy already pay for private care.
They can stay wherever they want as long as they can afford it. I feel like it’s a good thing to not only have better access to medical personnel but also save some tax payer money.
You misunderstand what taxes are. Or you view taxes the way Americans view them perhaps.
Taxes exist to achieve two things individual humans are not good at achieving on their own:
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Forcing people to invest in essential stuff they don’t want to pay for, like roads, sanitation, research… As in, you might live in a nice secluded cul-de-sac in the boonies, but you’re going to fund repairs to the interstate system like all your fellow countrymen.
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Forcing generosity out of people - including the mutualisation of health costs, environmental risks… People are not good at being generous on their own. They will let their next door neighbor live in squalor and poverty if they’re disabled and can’t work because it’s “not their problem”. Until it is when they grow old and/or disabled themselves…
Taxes are modern secular states’ way ot forcing you to be generous with others less fortunate than you, like the Church once did when they collected tithe and (at least in theory) used your tithe to build hospices for the indigent and help the poor.
By definition, taxes pay for stuff that don’t make money. Otherwise you wouldn’t be forced to pay taxes: you’d voluntarily invest in whatever scheme the government is proposing.
By definition, the sick and the disabled are money pits. They use the taxes you were forced to provide to have a shot at having as good a life as you. The idea being that if you’re healthy all your life, you’ll have lost quite a bit of money paying for someone else’s better living but you’ll also have been one of the luck ones. But if you’re not lucky, you too could have benefitted from one of the lucky healthy people’s forced contributions.
Me, I’m happy to pay taxes. Even high taxes. I know what I get: I get the assurance that I’ll never end up broke and destitude because I fall on hard times with my health. I know that wherever I decide to go, the roads won’t have potholes. They paid for my kids’ education, and now they’re all grown up and paying back their debt twice over because they have a good situation, a good salary and they pay twice as much taxes as I do.
When you say “they can stay if they can afford it”, it says a lot about your mindset. You don’t value what your taxes brought to you and your family indirectly, and you’re probably healthy enough at the moment that you don’t realize what good taxes will do to you when you’re not anymore.
For what it’s worth, I’m disabled. But I’m still on my own two feet, I still work full time and I still pay taxes. You know why? Because the free healthcare system in the country I currently live in paid for top-notch surgery, paid for my rehab for a few months, and now they don’t pay me anymore because they fixed me up good. If they hadn’t, I’d be a full time non-productive person by now. Do you not see how taxes benefit everybody in my case? It’s in your best interest as much as mine that you pay for my healthcare!
But I suspect all that flies right above your head, sadly…
My brother. It’s all fair and good. I’m not saying not to help. But if you can make it more efficient, then why don’t make it more efficient? Instead of nurses having to drive hours and hours around you can provide for and handle more people with less hours and make sure that people get what they need asap. Rebuilding your home to make it viable for you? Or you living in a place that’s made for you? Having a doctor and nurses in the same building 24/7, able to deal with any complications that might come up? Sounds like a pretty good deal.
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Drag Bristol city council before the European Court of Human Rights.
Oh wait…
Yup, though it’s not like they’d give a fuck, the UN has found the UK government to be in violation of disabled human rights again and again and it hasn’t stopped anyone, things are only getting worse…
The UN can’t fine the UK. The EU courts could, before the brexiteers took back control or something.
Fair point, though either way I think a fine for the government is about as effective as a fine for a corporation, that is - not at all…
True enough. But there is another angle to this: when UK citizens were able to sue their local authorities in European courts, they could also get redress on an individual basis, even if the UK government didn’t give a shit about their constituents, because the courts were supranational and had authority in the UK in certain matters - human rights being one.
When the UK pulled out of the European Union, one of the controls they took back was the ability to shaft their citizenry with total impunity. And let me tell you: I lived in the UK in the mid 90s, and what it’s become now is best described as a shithole. Sorry to be blunt, but I wouldn’t want to be poor or sick in the UK. What a terrible, terrible place to live in today.
Just imagine nurses drugging you so you drool more and bother them less. Just imagine orderlies beating the crap out of you, or using your warm body as a fuck toy.
Once you have that experience in mind, know this isn’t some Stephen King horror fiction but reality for about a third of US inpatients in mental health facilities.
Dunno the stats for UK or for nursing homes (though we are lousy with anecdotes). But we can expect its non-zero and probably pretty bad, given that societies invariably give few fucks for the people locked awY in facilities. Prisons are scary not for the prisoners, but thr wardens and the people on the outside glad to forget what they locked away.
Bristol is now a mass horror setting.
I think Bristol council are overestimating the amount of care home spaces there are…
