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    9 months ago

    All other countries without sideloading mandates

    We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
    - Apple

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      9 months ago

      To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.

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            True. I have a Samsung, which does do some shitty ass things like remove the option to turn off data access to apps, but even they allow “sideloading” (I don’t even like that term – it’s just installing software in the normal way to me)

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            8 months ago

            Most Android components can technically be FOSS, but the it’s monolythic nature makes it very hard to get from those FOSS benefits. Best example is TV using Android, phone using Android, but cannot change the interface without hacking half-baked thing like custom ROM.

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          Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?

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              No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.

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        Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it’s just called not being a fucking prick.

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      I honestly don’t get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don’t get the reasoning.

      People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can’t use something and instead have to use apples device which isn’t as good and more expensive but it’s white! Like I can’t get a fucking white one.

      The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.

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        People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple

        Idk why people told you that but it’s never been true. iPods didn’t give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.

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        i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn’t open the filesystem on my PC

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      9 months ago

      Technology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.

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          I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)

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          I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.

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            Welcome to the good side. ;)

            I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)

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      From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.

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        Apple products are all about stupid proofing.

        Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.

        Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.

        No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.

        Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.

        Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.

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        From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty

        No shit.

        From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?

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          Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.

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            I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.

            The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.

            Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.

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              Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.

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        One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy

        I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be

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          9 months ago

          “You haven’t had a date since Brexit” was a funny burn I ehard once I remembered how long ago that was.

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          9 months ago

          Just shows that an eight year old iPhone is still reliable today, receives updates and the approved apps work perfectly fine on it!

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          Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.

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            It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.

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              It wasn’t direct democracy though.

              No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.

              If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.

              The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.

              I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.

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                Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?

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                  Exactly.

                  People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.

                  People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.

                  Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.

                  A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.

                  There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.

                  This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.

                  The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.

                  The government couldn’t pass that legislation

                  We had an election for a new government

                  The government lost seats and lost their majority

                  The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.

                  The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.

                  The prime minister is ousted by their own party.

                  We get a new prime minister.

                  They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.

                  We have an election

                  The government gets a big working majority

                  The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.

                  The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.

                  The government are then forced back into the house by the courts

                  Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.

                  The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.

                  COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.

                  Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.

                  The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.

                  It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)

                  The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote

                  Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.

                  The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.

                  We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.

                  It’s a mess.

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    9 months ago

    Apple really fucking hates user freedom and choice.

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      Well, it’s just capitalism, ain’t it. The goal of the company is to generate as much revenue as possible. That is why we need to regulate the market and everyone who says else is probably a rich asshole who does not care about others.

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      apple gives you the patriotic freedom to defend a company taking away freedom

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      No, they protect free market from communism. Free as in free to screw you over and communism as in any democracy.

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    “Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”

    I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.

    Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.

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      I’m getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It’s everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don’t want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.

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      Anything Google is optional on Android, especially since the EU’s DMA which now mandates the service accounts to be decoupled (or to make coupling optional, to be more precise).

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      Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).

      All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.

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    You should never sideload. Cranes are not designed to be loaded that way and the crane or the load could move unexpectedly.

    Always lift vertically.

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    Another Brexit Benefit

    Fuck Nigel Frog face Farrage, The Haunted Victorian Pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg, Lord David Pig Fucker Cameron, Maybot, Boris I don’t care where I stick my Johnson, and all the rest of the Tories who either actively supported this or were to self interested to not rebel as their leaders doubled down on their Brexit folly again and again.

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            Samsung still doesn’t allow for unlocking the bootloader in the US, so after 7 years, the phone basically becomes ewaste due to lack of security updates.

            That’s not even counting the fact that SoC vendors put these unmaintainable amount of patches on top of the Linux kernel instead of contributing to upstream Linux, so that their device can use a generic kernel. This leads to the use of ancient Linux versions on embedded devices with no room for upgrade without a third party porting mainline Linux.

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