There were also 2 more below that.
And this must be a bot, endless posts by this user, every time the same content on multiple communities.
Daily Reminder, Discussion is okay. Name caling, vitriol and toxic behaviour is against our community rules. Nothing is worth an argument. Discuss away but leave the aggression at the door.
It goes without saying, but any user included in the post should not be harassed. Those found to be following this person will be banned from the community.
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But I have to say that’s a plus. I’m on Lemmy.ca and beehaw.org is federated with my instance so I can interact with their communities. I have noticed that discussions on [email protected] are different from those on [email protected]. I think that’s the beauty of Fediverse.
It’s like being in a technology club in France and then visiting the technology club in Germany. They may look like the same clubs on the surface, but then you realize that these clubs have different interests and the discussions are different because the worldviews of the two clubs are different.
That’s true for some communities, but for instance [email protected] and [email protected] are pretty similar, and tend to have the same content posted by bots.
I can understand why this can be annoying.
Absolutely! While communities might share a name across multiple instances, the content and discussions can be quite different.
That would require an inter-instance mod cooperation. Not impossible, but between some instances it seems like the Iron Curtain.
I kinda like things this way. The idea is that instance A will have their own users talking about news article Z while instance B will also be talking about it, each with their own perspectives.
Right now it feels like all the discussions are the same because Lemmy and Kbin haven’t had time to evolve and differentiate themselves much just yet. As far as I can tell there’s two types of early adopters populating this ecosystem: Left-leaning tech folks and right-leaning trolls testing the waters to see how much attention they can get. That might just be the communities I subscribed to though 🤷
and that isn’t how any platform works. this deliberate fragmentation will continue to kill lemmy’s potential and means any small coms will never get populated.
Who says the have to? Why are you wanting this to be like Reddit, even on Reddit there’s lots of thriving communities (subreddits) with under 500 users.
It’s what people make of it, and clearly this place isn’t for you, so move on.
Hell you even used a fucking Reddit trope as your username… shows what you expect here lmfao.
why is being like reddit a bad thing? it’s the best link aggregator on the internet. until new released the site was great. imagine not wanting a link aggregator like reddit before they made their own app and doomed the UX to modernized oblivion.
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reddit is dying because of the company, no other reason. acting like this place is some how better when the largest of nitch subs barely get 2 posts a week is simply ignorant.
It’s just not your cup of tea, and that’s fine, the door is over there.
You don’t go to a techno club demanding they become a dance club because all clubs have to be the same do you? How’s this any different…?
Club is the community and techno and dance are the instances, they have stuff in common as well as being different.
The only ignorance here is you wanting this to be something it has zero intention of ever being. This isn’t Reddit, nor does it want to be be. How is this so hard for you to comprehend…?
The solution is crossposting. If the threads on OP are all by the same user, then they should be crossposting, and mods should be warning them to do so.
It needs to be enabled on more mobile apps then.
w o r l d n e w s
I feel like the best way to handle the situation with similar/same communities on different instances is to allow communities to automatically federated with other communities. That way subscribing to one community will show you its posts and all the posts to its linked communities.
It would be especially helpful for these general purpose communities like Technology or News since I would imagine most communities are going to have one.
If that happens then we wouldn’t need to hunt down and follow every single instance of the same community. Let the mods handle it on their end to save the rest of us the effort.
Its not really surprising to see duplicate from what are basically all ‘general-purpose’ instances. Merging duplicate posts into one would be a great solution.
It seems useful to have bots serial posting for a while, within some limits.
These forums have a chicken and egg problem - need posts to get commentors, need the commentors to incintivise posters. Also just need content in general to get any readers.
But I’m in general agreement that recently the feeds haven’t been too smooth on Lemmy and that take a lot away from the browsing experience.
Just block the user?
I’ve blocked like 5+ different instances of World News and 5+ of Politics, it’s all just bullshit.
If you’re on Android and want filters, I’m looking for beta testers for my app. I’ve got keyword filters that can hide or collapse posts that contain a word or phrase… well really I have a system that is very easy to add filters to and I’m looking for feedback
If you have an idea that would work better for you, let me know
I’m finishing up testing today and spending tomorrow hopefully getting a build uploaded, let me know or check out [email protected] if you’re interested
Iphone build is in the works, keep an eye out for Luna for Lemmy
Yep, it’s one thing if someone is posting a lot to a sub they want to grow. But if someone is posting the same article to like 10 different subs in 2 minutes…
Just block em
This also happened on reddit
It did, but it wasn’t as bad as this. My hope is that as Lemmy matures, this will happen less.
The only way it happens less is if lemmy actually does something to merge communities or treat cross posts as a single post.
unless communities and users become agnostic to instances, this problem will never be solvable. also defederation makes this virtually impossible.
It shouldn’t be that difficult to give mods or administration the ability to name communities that “super federate” and appear as local to all instances. That or make Instances more agnostic.
a simple flaw in this design is that users on lemmy.world and users on beehaw.org are not federated, so how do we resolve that issue for a community that is on .ml, .world, beehaw, and nsfw, beehaw would have to support content from world, who they are currently defederated with, or their users would just not see content from world users. the whole premise of defederation is ironically antithetical to the premise of federation. by making a larger group of distributed users, the system could work great. but the admins are taking their personal issues to each other causing fractures that make adoption for newer users and more laymen basically impossible. that whole “it doesn’t matter what instance you use” is complete BS at this point since half of the top 5 instances are defederated frome at least 1 other.
That’s a Whole lot of words to say I want a Reddit clone.
Go fix Reddit instead of making this something it’s not.
It got lost on the noise of reddit. There’s no way lemmy has more bots, let alone a higher ratio to users.
And it’s entirely up to your instance, the instance I am in has strict bot rules that other instances bots must follow.
wtf do the bots have to do with this? the issue is that multiple communities are all talking about the same article in many different places when they should be all talking about it in 1.
Absolutely not, the benefit of each community having its own vibe is exactly that.
Think of it it like this, one community is for Germans and one is for the French. They can talk about the same thing, but they will Absolutely go about it differently, and that’s fine. Pick which one you want to help/join, or hit up both.
Were not talking about language barriers, were talking about people building arbitrary walls where none are needed. There is 0 reson that there are over a dozen “technology” communities. If there was simply 1 community to focus on these topics the whole place would function much more smoothly. The core problems with Lemmy is that all of the communities are fragmented and spread out, by force of the admins too. This means small communities will never get populated unless a massive monolithic instance comes about to dwarf the rest. Right now, the largest video game communities on the internet don’t get even a post a day. The only things that get traction here are politics, tech, and memes, because they are the most universal topics that can be minimally sustained on any online platform. Until the users and admins of Lemmy realize they need to agnosticize content, communities, and users from instances, this place will crumble under its fundamental framework. We need to be like email, and let the users build their spaces, not the few who decide to host the servers.
Who said anything about language barriers? It’s dialects and interests, they just do things differently, and if they are in the same place (like Reddit) you get circle jerks and other BS for no reason. Just like people don’t “shoot the shit” with work colleagues like gaming buddies, things are just different and that’s not always a bad thing. If I want to have a gaming type discussion I would join the gaming technology community, if I wanted an in-depth conversation, I may have to join educated technology.
Lemmy removes this, if you want this to be a Reddit clone, you came to the wrong place, you clearly don’t understand the intent of this place.
Again, no issue with lemmy, you came in here wanting and expecting something else. If that’s the case, this place isn’t for you and move on instead of trying to make it something it has no intention of being (Reddit)
Who said anything about language barriers?
you did.
It won’t.
You probably have to stick to one of the communities. That’s what I do to avoid this kind of issues.
I think bots are too agressive posting everywhere. example linkbot, it has posted over 20000 posts and its only one month old account.
not a necessarily a bot, but also there need to be a feature where duplicate posts need to be hidden. inoreader (rss reader) has this is a premium feature. lemmy apps need to draw inspiration from the rss readers, since content is similar. in fact i used to browse inoreader before using a lemmy client app.
What about the comments though? I don’t think hiding duplicates or merging comments will be easy
I think it does that if they’re cross posted, at least someone else said that, but maybe they need to make that easier on more of the mobile clients.
I don’t see the issue, it’s not a duplicate post, it’s 3 separate posts by the same person into different communities.
I do it, and honestly I wish there was a way to post a “Connect” Post or something that would appear to the three I post to
There is a cross post button. It adds a link under the post when opened to show other communities it has been cross posted to, but it doesn’t solve the original problem.
Yeah that’s what I use, but when I post to Dungeon and Dragon, and TTRPG if someone is part of those they will see two times my post :/ but if Communities linked to a post where like a tag on the post, the same post would be showed In both communities but it would stay the same post, but maybe that’s approaching what Mastodon is and not Lemmy
Ah I see what you are meaning. I’m not sure if that would always be a good thing, even reddit keeps different comment pages for different communities in cross posts because different communities have different conversations.
I don’t have any better way of solving this problem, other than perhaps having the app or frontend collapse the duplicates into a single item that indicates the different communities it’s in and let’s you pick which comments to open.
It’s a UI issue and not really an issue with how Fediverse communities work, if the same link is posted in multiple communities it should ideally show you only one of them in your feed. The user would be able to specify how he wants to discriminate between the same links: most recent one, most active one etc… It shouldn’t be difficult to do at the UI level.
its not a UI issue when there are comments from 10 different communities.
there are comments from 10 different communities
And that is IMO a false problem. It is perfectly okay to have completely different discussions around the same link, just like currently you can have the same link shared on Reddit, Hacker News and other link aggregators and you obviously end up with completely different discussions around the same link.
This whole “there’s too much fragmentation” drama is IMO a false problem raised by people who don’t fully understand that the Fediverse does not mean that you will have one single big entity with synchronized rules and one single community per topic globally. It means that you will have something like multiple independently run “forums”, with different vibes and potentially different moderation rules, and users in federated “forums” can easily hop from one to another with the same account. It doesn’t mean that you’ll have one single large Reddit replacement with communities that are deemed “similar” forcibly merged to prevent the false problem of “fragmentation”.
The internet would be in a completely sorry state if only one forum per topic was allowed.
It is perfectly okay to have completely different discussions around the same link
thats not whats happening. you’re either getting the same comments in all places or you’re arbitrarily preventing people from commenting all in 1 place to prop up this guise of “freedom” that exists at the will of the instance admins.
you’re either getting the same comments in all places
how? how are the comments on https://lemmy.world/post/2342759 and https://lemmy.world/post/2244006 the same?
everyone in both those comment sections are talking about how bad of a choice this is LOL.
Where…?
Which one? Most upvotes? Highest total score? Most interacted with (e.g. most comments)? The instance you visit the most? Some combination of these?
i’d want the comment chains merged
This sounds good in theory, but it’s going to be difficult if the communities have different rules. A comment made on the post in Community 1 might be okay IN Community 1 but innappropiate in Community 2 … how would you deal with this if the comment section was merged and appeared in both communties?
That could be a user setting, just like you specify how you want to rank the threads in your feed, you could specify also how to discriminate between threads that are sharing the same link: you could say you want the most recent one for example. Again, this could easily be done at the UI level.
There are a lot of bots still here so I wouldn’t be all that surprised.
Conversely I’m having the similar issue of blocking one community but then different communities with the same name and content still appear on my feed as if I never blocked them at all. Like playing whack-a-mole.
