President Biden on Wednesday shielded thousands of Palestinians in the United States from deportation for the next 18 months, using an obscure immigration authority as he faces mounting criticism over U.S. support for Israel in the Gaza war.
About 6,000 Palestinians are eligible for the reprieve under a program called Deferred Enforced Departure, which allows immigrants whose homelands are in crisis to remain in the United States and work legally.
In a memo obtained by The New York Times, Mr. Biden said that “many civilians remain in danger” in Gaza after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas.
“Therefore, I am directing the deferral of removal of certain Palestinians who are present in the United States,” he said.
You know shit’s getting electorally relevant when the US starts treating refugees with basic human dignity.
Pretty sure if no republicunt existed we’d have been treating refugees with basic human dignity the whole time.
I live in a small EU country. Believe me, American Republican are not the reason why refugees are not treated as human being, we don’t do much better despite what we say.
Come down to California and you’ll meet so many “economic anxious” Californians who are rock-ribbed blue-blooded Democrats. But hey, they really would just prefer these ILLEGAL MIGRANTS stop INVADING MY NEIGHBORHOOD and SPEAKING A SCARY LANGUAGE and BREAKING THE LAW (law: vagrancy or using public transportation while poor or perhaps looking kinda scary while eating a sandwich on the corner).
Utterly interchangeable with Texas/Arizona Republicans on every level that counts. But they voted for Dianne Feinstein every year she was on the ballot, so actually they’re so much cooler than you losers in the Red part of the country.
If nobody was fascist then human dignity would be more common place, absolutely.
But the fascist talk radio media crank out these endless “Leper Colony Migrant Rapist Drug Caravan Invades South Texas With Big Reconquista Flag and Ontelogically Evil Taco Truck” screamer headlines.
The Republican Congresscritters rush in to cosplay as valiant border freedom fighters, ready to use their 2nd Amendment Remedies when those communists in the Border Patrol won’t lift a finger.
The Democrats have to send in a bunch of Tacti-Cool ICE Agents in the biggest trucks they can find, so that nobody in South Texas thinks they’re weanie migrant loving losers.
And then CNN gets to report “War On The Border” with a two minute long graphic swoop in, while some guy in front of a greenscreen tries to recreate what the raging firefight for the Rio Grande would have looked like if it had happened.
Now you need to take “Bane, from Batman, is literally doing an International Terrorism in the center of Lubback” seriously if you want to even debate whether nuking Honduras is an appropriate response.
Didn’t the dems just agree that the border crisis is the top priority?
Only to court the radical right on the Ukraine package
So now the dems endorse the radical rights position on the border. You don’t see how that’s an issue?
You don’t see how your deliberate hyperbole isn’t contributing to the discussion?
Explain to me how what I said is hyperbole, and not facts. Please.
So now the dems endorse the radical rights position on the border. You don’t see how that’s an issue?
Equating “letting the opposition party fuck themselves as they try to pass a bill THEY don’t even want” to actively endorsing extreme policy is hyperbole.
At a very surface level you’re correct, but using that to state that the entire democratic party has abandoned their morals is absurd.
Doubtful, when does the Democrat party do anything except to look better by comparison?
6000 Palestinians don’t have to go back to a genocide zone
Some student loans have been forgiven
A fucktonne of federal weed charges dropped.
There is more but I’m tired arguing with your ilk.
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you nonce,
Do you even know what that means?
6000 Palestinians don’t have to go back to a genocide zone
What if we just stopped giving Israel all these guns and bombs to do genocide with?
I mean, ffs, there’s only a tiny corner of Rafa where Palestinians can legally be in Gaza without getting bombed. And Israel periodically bombs it anyway. Where would Biden even deport these “illegal” Palestinian migrants to? They’d just end up in Egypt or Jordan. And its not like either country is eager to accept a larger population of Palestinians when Israel’s response to any concentration of the ethnic group is to incinerate the block they live in.
A fucktonne of federal weed charges dropped.
But no actual change in the policy of mass-arrests of future weed users.
There is more but I’m tired
We’re all tired, bro.
Biden is the president right now and tried to enact one of the most conservative border policies ever written.
You can’t say they’re worse when the one in power RIGHT NOW is doing their bidding from across the isle.
Democrats are now republicans. Period.
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It must be so exhausting to live like you do.
The goalposts HAVE moved right with Biden. Everybody forgets that he was the token establishment white guy VP for obama- he hasn’t changed, he is not a progressive superstar. Dude is shitting the bed on a few key points; especially this and climate change.
You’d think that but you’d be wrong. We’d likely have a well organized second class population instead of a chaotic one. That’s all.
A well-organized second class population might do what the old African American Civil Rights movement did in the 1960s and deprive us of all that cheap/free underclass labor.
Holy crap, you’re right. The US should be setting up concentration camps like how China dealt with the Ughyrs.
Did the same thing to Venezuelans. I didn’t know that noncitizens can vote.
I didn’t know that noncitizens can vote.
You know I mean the issue is getting electorally relevant right?
It’s not. It’s loud, not salient. Americans don’t vote on foreign policy.
Americans don’t vote on foreign policy.
They did in 2004
They absolutely did not. Which hot take artist on YouTube told you that?
I was there Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago, when Isildur took the Ring. I was there the day the strength of Men failed.
I don’t think that generalisation is as applicable as it was back when we were a sole superpowerand there was a the bipartisan consensus on foreign policy.
Polls from a month or less back were showing that just over half of all Democrats and half of 18-35 y/os believe Israel is commiting genocide. Of the rest, more were undecided than didn’t think it was a genocide. Democrats and youth care about this issue. Large voting blocks in key swing states care about this issue.
You just can’t support a war that over half your base call genocide and think it’s not going to hurt you. It will absolutely drive down youth and Arab-American turn out, which is very dangerous for Democrats.
I mean, im only one guy, but Biden’s handling of israel has singlehandedly shifted me into being a Never Biden voter.Genocide matters, and if he isnt willing to rip up a treaty over it, it is on all of us to make sure we put in someone who will. Anybody who votes for biden at this point has to admit theyd also have voted for Hitler.
So you are pro genocide, got it
Never Biden voter on all of us to make sure we put in someone who will
Ok troll, take your sanctimonious BS and go home. If Biden or Trump (or, Godwin’s Law arriving right on time, Biden or Hitler) are equivalent in your eyes, you are lost.
Cause trump would care about Palestinians 🙄
And what’s he said on the subject btw?
Then you are just a fool or a shill. There is no metric in which Trump would be a better president than Biden.
Sure. Are Venezuelans electrically relevant?
Basic human decency is relevant to the electorate. Well, to just over half of the electorate. The rest of the electorate seems to think basic human decency is a weakness that should be scorned.
Basic human decency which I agree 8s the case here, does not need any other motivation. The US has done this for a lot of foreign citizens who have turmoil in their home countries and are stuck here. Sometime we fail, but it is all about human decency not being elected.
Done for, but also done to.
It’s that “Done to” that requires the largest showing of human decency now. After all, one of the first ways to make up for the wrongs of the past is to stop committing more wrongs.
Sadly, we have two old men to choose from. One of which feels really bad about the wrongs he’s committed, but still hasn’t stopped. The other feels no remorse at all, ever, and will gleefully commit worse wrongs, all while quoting Hitler speeches.
Political rhetoric should be saved for the soap box or at least forsomeone that appreciates it.
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The issue was when the deferment was in place. It no longer is, which is why we’re deporting people back to Venezuela as of October.
It seems like you’re trying to suggest that the impact to democratic turn out in Nov is not a huge factor in this decision, despite the article repeatedly pointing out the problems our support for Israel is generating for Democrats.
The answer is no. The Venezuelans do not represent a voting block that’s electoraly relevant
Issues are relevant beyond the immediate community of the affected. You think only Palestinian people care about this issue?
When the government does this it’s partly to show some action and partly to prevent a headline like “We deported this man. A week later the Israelis killed him in an air strike on a hospital”
If he’s gonna die in a hospital, it’s going to be in an American hospital due to our terrible health care system!
Issues are relevant beyond the immediate community of the affected.
What electoral issue beyond the Venezuelan community? Still a question you don’t answer. Just say I don’t know and I leave you alone. Sometimes we do things I’m this country simply because it’s the right thing to do not because of some reward.
Aren’t Latinos a huge voting block in the US?
So, you think all Latinos are the same? They aren’t. They rarely sympathize country to country.
I don’t know anything about Venezuelan elections but I think your downvotes are due to an unintentional implication that Venezuelan Refugees would vote in the USA, which they cannot. People are misunderstanding your statement.
No, they’re just a bunch of Jihad Jane’s that get mad when they’re called out on their stupidity.
Haha, indeed this is so blatantly so.
Glad to see he’s trying to do something good for some Palestinians where he can.
Am I happy with how much he’s doing for Palestinians? No. Am I happy with him how he’s acting towards Israel’s invasion of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? No. He should definitely be doing more - being a bit more outspoken and laying on more public pressure.
But it’s a delicate situation politically. And anyone who refuses to recognize that is living in a dream. It’s not practical for Biden to go barreling in publicly threatening Israel. His opposition (both domestic and foreign) would wreck him for being too brash. Just as they address taking him for not doing enough. Politically it’s a no-win situation. But if anyone thinks Trump would do better they are totally delusional. God knows what crazy shit would be exacerbating the situation if he was in the Oval Office right now.
It’s a fucking tragedy that innocent Palestinians are dieing and being murdered there. Just as it was a fucking tragedy that people from Israel were killed and kidnapped last October. And it needs to stop, obviously. I’m glad people are protesting and speaking up. The anti-semitism and anti-islamic rhetoric that is coming up from both these protests and counter-protests is not helpful. But these protests are important. They are the voices for the vulnerable.
However, the rhetoric coming from both edges of the political spectrum is myopic and facile, and is not helping.
I think this is a good thing regardless of how you feel about the Gaza conflict. We should never be in the business of sending people back to an active war zone or famine, whether it’s Gaza, Ukraine, Syria, or anywhere else.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Biden on Wednesday shielded thousands of Palestinians in the United States from deportation for the next 18 months, using an obscure immigration authority as he faces mounting criticism over U.S. support for Israel in the Gaza war.
About 6,000 Palestinians are eligible for the reprieve under a program called Deferred Enforced Departure, which allows immigrants whose homelands are in crisis to remain in the United States and work legally.
While Mr. Biden’s criticism of the war has grown more forceful since the Oct. 7 attack, the United States has not signaled that it plans major policy changes such as putting conditions on billions of dollars in military aid to Israel.
Palestinians who have been convicted of felonies or those “who are otherwise deemed to pose a public safety threat” would not be protected from deportation, Jake Sullivan, Mr. Biden’s national security adviser, said in a statement.
Representative Ryan Zinke of Montana, a former Trump administration official, introduced legislation in November that would have revoked visas from Palestinians and prevented them from receiving refugee status or asylum in the United States.
Earlier this month, Mr. Biden ordered financial and travel sanctions on four Israeli settlers accused of violent attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank.
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Removed. It’s a good policy, and I’m glad to see Biden invoking it, but the President, taking action inside the United States, to protect people living inside the United States, is NOT “World News”.
News - United States News
Politics - United States Politics
World News - NOT US News or PoliticsSo you admit that it’s a fucking holocaust that it would be unconscionable to send people into, but you STILL continue to support and pay for it.
Fuck you.
Simplistic comment. Biden would drop them if he could, but it’s not a fucking dictatorship! Israeli supporters in government, on both sides of the
isleaisle, is very real and could easily roadblock any support for Ukraine. Do some math and stop acting like a child - and fuck you too. I hate having to play the grownup in these tiresome conversations.aisle*
Yes - thank you.
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Simplistic comment. Biden would drop them if he could, but it’s not a fucking dictatorship!
He’s going around Congress to deliver weapons. What are you basing the claim that he would drop them if he could? He can and he doesn’t.
Yeah, that’s right. He’s backing up the truck and dropping them off himself. /s
Please - everything in Washington is a negotiation. Unless you’re a dictator doing thing unilaterally, you have to go through groups of other politicians with their own constituents.
He’s doing what he can. Simplistic arguments are just a distraction. Learn about politics and then comment.
What are you basing this notion on that Biden wants to stop sending weapons to Israel?
He’s just protected them as a group from being sent back. He’s showing he’s sympathetic and trying to work within the constraints but Israel’s is well-ingrained politically. Anyway, enough of this malarky.
Go go gadget … away. Blocked.
Lol so pure speculation. Got it.
Look I know the whole situation sucks but Israel is currently our only ally in the middle east we can stage attacks from.
America, left and right, will do almost ANYTHING to keep that foothold.
I’m not saying its right, genocide is happening as we speak and the entire world should come down on Israel hard for this, I’m just saying what is real.
Full disclosure: I condemn every organization that targets civilians with violence, regardless of country allegiances.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP STAGING ATTACKS IN THE MIDDLE EAST TOO!
I AGREE, MY GOVERNMENT IS A WARMONGERING OLIGARCHY SO MY PERSONAL OPINION DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR MILITARY CHOICES AS I AM NOT RICH!
So time to start over, no?
Will you fire the first shot?
The police force responding to peaceful protest will undoubtedly fire the first shot. Its a tale as old as time.
How is that a justification?
I complain on moral grounds that the US is not only being evil by supporting genocide, but being smug-hypocritical-evil by offering a shrivelled scrap of token mitigation that’s offset a thousandfold by their continued funding and political cover.
In response, you point out that the US is only doing this so it can bomb other brown people… and that isn’t the slam dunk you seem to think it is.
That’s not a yes but kind of thing. That’s even worse. You do see how that’s even worse, right?
How, and on what fucking planet, does that invalidate a single goddamn thing I said, especially the fuck you?
How is that a justification? … You do see how that’s even worse, right?
Literally 2/3 of the same comment you’re replying to:
I’m not saying its right, genocide is happening as we speak and the entire world should come down on Israel hard for this, I’m just saying what is real.
Full disclosure: I condemn every organization that targets civilians with violence, regardless of country allegiances.
I don’t understand this obsession with ‘justification’.
I told you what was real, I told you why it is happening.
I don’t agree with it, I think it’s monstrous, but it IS the reason why.
You can complain on all the moral grounds you want, it will affect our government’s horrific actions absolutely zero.
ou point out that the US is only doing this so it can bomb other brown people…
Yes, our country is run by warmongering profiteers that pay our politicians. Like I never said this was good, simply that this is the way it is and will be.
I’m sorry you don’t like it, I don’t like it either
You see that word you used: “but”?
This sucks, but Israel is our only ally in the middle east we can stage attacks from.
That’s literally what ‘but’ means; you’re saying that the benefit of using Israel as a staging area for attacks outweighs the genocide.
Try it out in literally any other context.
I know the traffic is awful, but the burgers at this place are amazing. [therefore, it’s worth the trip]
It is a nice day outside, but there’s a maniac with a machete on the loose. [therefore, we should stay inside]
Why - and how - would anyone read it any differently?
Ok let me rephrase without the but.
The United States government will never give up a military foothold in the middle east willingly.
That’s it.
No buts, no stupid opinions, no fuckdamn condescension.
Good job contributing zero to the discussion.
That’s literally what ‘but’ means; you’re saying that the benefit of using Israel as a staging area for attacks outweighs the genocide.
I don’t think that, but my government obviously does and nothing you or I can say about it will change it.
You are deliberately trying to monolith my personal positions with that of my government, this is a forum sliding tactic common with the alt-right trying to ‘concern troll’ a thread to death, and I really wish that there was a Lemmy version of RES so I could flag you as a likely forum disruptor.
With full sincerity I encourage you choose to make the decision to not reply to any of my posts again. Thanks.
We have umpteen bases in the middle east. The single base we have there is dwarfed by our bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and Turkey.
That dog don’t hunt.
And it took 4 months to stop sending people back into the carnage.
Only when they realized it could potentially cost them the election.
It’s going to be fun when the vote blue no matter who brigade starts accosting Muslim Americans for not voting for the ‘lesser evil’ who didn’t lift a finger to stop the slaughter of Palestinians.
There’s just not going to be a fix for this between now and the election, or even for generations.
Don’t worry, thanks to climate change accelerating, it won’t really matter.
Single issue voter here. Voting for whoever shows the most support for Israel’s right to defend itself from terrorism. Hopefully I don’t have to vote for the orange man, but I will if I have to.
Hopefully I don’t have to vote for Adolf, but I will if I have to.
FTFY. I kind of want Trump to win the election. Just to show everyone we’re right about him being a fascist. People just don’t get how dangerous he is.
Oh and what dangers are civilians in Gaza facing?
If there is no /s then it wasn’t sarcasm. The opinion you thought too stupid to be a real person’s thoughts was absolutely accurate to somebody somewhere.
Genocide, for one.
Oh, Israel leadership says they’re only going after Hamas, but they’ve also just been gunning down anyone in the streets who aren’t wearing their colours (demonstrated with a few Americans and Australians being shot), bombing hospitals, and opening up evacuation corridors only to bomb them when they get filled up. They’ve also cut off food and water and internet, so even the civilians who aren’t in the immediate line of fire are suffering and dying.
I dunno, sounds like genocide to me!
demonstrated with a few Americans and Australians being shot
And Israeli hostages. They killed their own civilians who were held hostage! They’re just seeking violent revenge against anything that moves.
That 12 year old girl that got impaled on rebar? Believe it or not, Hamas.
Israeli defense secretary literally just said that IDF should shoot women and children because they could be hamas
No he didn’t. Ben-Gvir is not the defense minister. He has nothing to do with the IDF and isn’t in the war cabinet.
He’s a minister in the cabinet not the defense secretary? But here is the article I was thinking of
https://www.newarab.com/news/ben-gvir-says-israeli-army-can-shoot-women-children-gaza
Poe’s Law my dude, are you new to the internet?
Yeah uh, I was told that by someone being serious just a couple hours ago. You really need that S.
I don’t think people understood what you were saying…
Just proof of the necessity of that little /s
Maybe not…
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Daily reminder that voting for Biden makes you complicit in Genocide.
Daily reminder that if Trump wins, all of these people will be deported. He’s said he’ll refuse all Palestinian refugees.
The reality is that no matter what you do, you are complicit. Unless you go to jail for tax evasion, you’re helping fund the genocide. If you don’t vote, or you vote for an unviable candidate, you’re allowing a candidate endorsing genocide to win.
There is no option that will not make you complicit in genocide. That’s the shitty reality we have to accept. Within that reality, there are options which will make human suffering worse, and there are options which will lessen suffering. All we can do is choose the options that minimize human suffering.
Whatever happens in November will not stop the genocide, but we can make sure that what happens will put us on the path to stopping it. It’s my belief that if Democrats win decisively, the Republican Party will be finished. Their brand of fascism will be thoroughly rejected, and the party will splinter. At that point in time, Democrats will absorb moderate Republicans, and they’ll split in two. We’ll have the moderate, Democrat party. A smaller progressive party. And a tiny fascist party. That progressive party will grow over time until it can influence policy.
Or, to put it more simply, I don’t need Biden to win. I need Trump and Republicans to badly lose.
Indeed vote third party.
Who exactly?
If a third party is ever gonna win it’s needs to be coordinated.
Lobby for voting system change. Then vote third party.
A vote for third party might as well be a vote for Trump, if you do it under FPTP.
Lobbying for voting system change = not voting for Democrat and Republican.
If you don’t vote, or you vote for an unviable candidate, you’re allowing a candidate endorsing genocide to win.
That won’t work. They aren’t viable, and you’ll just be allowing one of the genocide endorsing candidates to win.
And make no mistake, they’re not viable. No third party candidate is even close of winning a single state.
Nice try Netanyahu but Cornell West exists.
Who has a slight chance… if several other candidates drop dead.
I know the pro-Palestine crowd has gotten a lot dumber since Russia needed the distraction but you really saw an article about Biden protecting Palestinians and thought it would be a good time to say that?
You could have probably waited 30 seconds to find an article appropriate for such a response
Joe is both “Genocide Joe” and “Pro Hamas Joe” depending on who you ask. The way I see it, he’s an unpopular president of a deeply fractured country with fascism knocking on the door while a geopolitical ally is commiting atrocities and another is is being attacked by our historic adversary. He is being faced with a million prisoner’s trolley problemmas. This won’t obsolve him of his role in the conflict, but we should recognize that he is in a precarious position with some very real reasons to have pause.
Take note: Biden has been able to pass a shit ton of legislation and so did LBJ, but to think either of them got a free lunch is deeply misguided. LBJ had to make Vietnam happen to get the welfare state. “I gave you your damn war, now give me my programs”.
With the election coming up, he can’t just consider Palestine as the only priority. Medicare funding. Voting rights. Abortion rights. Gun control. Debt forgiveness. Inflation. Climate change. If he loses the moderate vote, which is not as pro-palestine as the progressive left, he loses everything. (Side note: this is why you absolutely should vote for Biden. If he and the DNC sees that the progressive left cary a large portion of their votes, they will act accordingly. People who don’t vote are politically useless)
If you follow a multitude of news outlets, you might pick up on how Joe and Netanyahu have had strained relations (you can imagine how those calls are going). Joe continues the US stance of a two state solution (remember that Trump favors full Israeli control of Palestine).
I mean, yes we need to continue to push for Joe to call for a cease fire, but immediately pulling the plug on Israel funding will have negative consequences domestically and abroad.
Remember that Iran is set to have nuclear capabilities by the end of the year. While there needs to be freedom for Palestine, let’s not pretend an anti Zionist solution won’t result in millions of dead Jews. If “well one side needs to agree to be annihilated” is your solution, you won’t find peace anytime soon as people won’t just agree to die, especially people with a well equipped Army (and an undisclosed amount of nukes).
The other possibility is that Israel wouldn’t just take losing funding from the US. If we cut ties with Israel completely, they would look to their older ally, Russia (people forget Israel once was cozy with Moscow). We need Israel to stop their genocide, but we certainly don’t want them, nor their nukes, as an enemy.
That said there are good reasons to cut funding. Cutting funding could be the push to get Israelis to oust Bibi in favor of a more liberal government. Cutting funding could boost the US in popularity with our NATO allies and also woo India, Brazil, and South Africa away from China and Russia. We have to ask if the risk is worth it, and what are the odds of each outcome.
If you’re interested in why leaders don’t come to the same obvious conclusions that you do, I would recommend CGP Grey’s 20 minute video, Rules for Rulers
If this shit was easy there wouldn’t be a degree in Political Science.
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Sorry I saw some irrelevant propaganda on top here while Genocide Joe is trying to give israel 14 billion dollars in weapons.
All it does is delegitimize the arguments
“A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth”
“This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.”
Both quotes by Joseph Goebbels. Friend of yours?
Then there’s this one:
“Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty”
May not be Goebbels, but sounds like something he’d say.
Daily reminder that the alternative is Trump.
Yeah this is where we’re going to diverge again. We need to pressure Biden. But allowing Trump to win will be a disaster of global proportions. And those are our two choices.
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6000 people won’t be sent back to a genocide and you try to play this off as negligible?
How self-indulgent and arrogant of you.
If it had only been 1 person, and that person was your mother, you would be celebrating.
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Words cannot describe how glad I am to not be someone like you.
How is this not the same as “Biden not allowing Palestinians to return to their homeland to fight against the Isreal led genocide funded by the USA”?
Because they’re allowed leave?
“Deportation” means forceful expulsion.
Also, Palestinians aren’t fighting Israel, they can’t. They’re completely at the mercy of Israel. The people fighting Israel in Gaza are Millitant Groups who originated in Iran and Egypt, and who who obtain all of their weapons and funding from Iran, Egypt, and Israel. Some Palestinians might be fighting for Hamas but Hamas was never fighting for Palestine.
Palestinians =/= Hamas. Hamas is attacking Israel, Israel is attacking Hamas and the Palestinians are the casualties from both sides.
