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I live ~5 minutes from my work, but unless I want to walk/bike on the shoulder of a road where people are regularly going 60mph I have no option besides driving. And i live in a small town, must be even worse for medium/large sized cities
Not in places where they build proper roads/infrastructure. Generally this gets better the larger the city is, not worse.
Your situation sounds terrible but your local jurisdiction could choose to fix it. If enough people advocate for it, it will happen.
How many are built for bikes/walking and not cars? All i see are parking lots on top of parking lots all over the goddamn country
Most towns/cities here in the Netherlands are
I’d love to see them, too bad I’m trapped in the US
I work 25min by foot from home, and while most of it is by busy carcentric streets, I can walk a bit through a park.
If I drive a car I can get there in 10 minutes or 15-20 in a rush hour.
I can ride a bike (my own or a city bike that’s free for under 15min) in 13min.
Or I can either take a bus (25min) or a tram (around 30, because I need to walk further but less than a straight walk.
I actively refuse to move to any “cheaper” new suburbs because then I would have to sit in a car for 80 minutes no matter how I feel about it that day.
The problem is that citys are built around cars.
The first question is not how people can reach shops by foot, or with public transit. The first step is always to build streets to stuff and later figure out if you can might fit in a bus route, or maybe a cycling lane.
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I would if I could right now and I’m going to move next year to a place where I can sell my car and forget about it.
I live in Canada there is no other option
You live in Canada where there is no other option and yet somehow a significant portion of your neighbors don’t own cars. Wonder how that words, Rab.
All my neighbours own cars. Literally every single one
You’re using “neighbor” to mean, “people who’s property is directly or nearly directly adjacent to mine”. This is a shitty little trick of sophistry where you pretend to be obtuse so you don’t have to acknowledge the obvious fucking point. I guarantee you, I fucking GUARANTEE you, there are people in your city who don’t own cars. How do they do it, Rab? How do they do it?? There are no other options!!
Are you ok? My nearest neighbour is 3km away. You need to own a vehicle
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What purpose does this serve other than alienating the people you’re trying to get on your side?
You have to have the alternatives in place before you can convince people to make a change.
Buses already take hours vs. minutes and any road construction that closes stops & routes down adds time and distance to an already long commute.
If you want people to choose your option, you have to make it an option worth choosing.
It’s more like a chicken or egg problem. No alternative without masses knowing about the problem. It took me 25 years to see what we sacrifice for cars. Maybe this flashy billboard approach helps to shorten that time for someone else.
In case anyone wants to correct a corrupted sign that the department of transportation hasn’t gotten around to: https://www.safetysign.us/my_weblog/2011/07/instructions-on-how-to-hack-electronic-road-signs.html
Ok well good luck riding your non motorized ambulance to the hospital then.
You missed the point by miles.
The shitty, ableist, not well thought out point? I’m not gonna feel shit about this. Nothing you could say to make me feel different about that.
Oh no
Cars raped my father!
Do you know where we are?
Are you incorrectly assuming I’m being facetious?
You seem to not understand the nature of this community.
And you seem to think my comment was facetious when it wasn’t. Humorous, but still in the spirit of fuck cars.
No, I feel your comment was genuine, yet ill conceived.
They turned me into a newt!
They’re just trying to get to work, what is this attempting to accomplish
Making people aware that many child deaths are preventable for example. Car accidents are the leading cause of death for kids 4-15 years old.
Okay so… they still need to get to work. Are you missing that essential point.
Walk. Get a different job. Move closer to work. So many options that don’t involve killing children. But you’ll just throw your hands up because “they still need to get to work!”
Believe me, I don’t like cars either but this is a dumb as hell response. Just get a different job lol, is that your response to solving cars? I hope I don’t have to tell you how ignorantly stupid of a response is, who are you even sending that message to? Yes, work is a requirement of living, so it literally is a hands up situation because it’s a requirement. Must be nice in your mom’s basement to not have to work and understand the real world.
Also equating driving a car to child killing is fucking unhinged. I don’t know if you think this is some sensational eye catching response to prove a point, but it just makes you sound irrational and crazy to the point where you’re going to get laughed out of the room.
I don’t understand this comment. Are you saying this is trying to stop them from getting to work? (It isn’t.) Are you saying cars are the only way they can’t get to work. (It isn’t, though many places we need to invest more into other options.)
Literally yes to all of that. Do you work in an America and work a job?
How does a sign stop them from driving to work? Also, you can choose to live closer to your work and bike or walk or take public transportation.
Regardless, this is to convince people to speak up and ask for improvements to alternatives rather than letting people act like driving is the only option. Its the only reasonable option to a lot of people in America particularly, but it isn’t the only option possible, and it’s also not the cheapest or most reliable. It will stay the only option if people don’t realize we can have something better if we work towards it.
So, you clearly don’t have a job in America. You really be saying “choose to live closer to your work” during a housing crisis and where people are stuck renting forever lol. You are incredibly out of touch with reality.
You are simultaneously saying “they have to have a car because they don’t live anywhere near work because there’s not enough housing” and “we shouldn’t try to reduce our car dependence so that we can use the now-unnecessary parking lots for housing”
Dude, what is your issue. I gave several options and said that driving is the only reasonable option for many people currently, but they need to work for making other options available, because they are possible. I do live in America by the way and understand the realities plenty, which is why I said people need to work for better solutions. This is a fucking sign though, which isn’t blocking anything, and you’re arguing they need to shut the sign down because it hurts your feelings because you aren’t taking another option and aren’t doing anything to fix things.
We are causing children to die and get paralyzed out of convenience. Sure, people need to get to work but with how things are now it comes at a steep price.
If most people drive then it has massive negetive consequences for both drivers and non drivers. Roads, parking and infrastructure all have financial costs, opportunity costs and negative externalities and take up valuable land in cities. Climate change is just the icing on the cake. Cars also cause noise pollution, stress, traffic and make cities less safe.
Public transport and biking don’t have these problems and per passanger cheaper when taking in account public and private spending.
Unfortunately you can’t fit all this on a small led billboard so I guess we have to settle for whatever this guy did.
Personal transport also has massive benefits. Try transporting a few sheets of drywall on public transport. Try moving a sick person to the hospital. Try living outside of an urban centre…
Taxis and deliveries exist for moving drywall and sick people. If time is of the essence then an ambulance is better. People who live outside of an urban center would probably like convenient public transport instead of going downtown in a car and trying to find parking.
Sure if you live in suburban US you have to drive anywhere to get to anything and in my opinion that sucks pretty hard. It doesn’t have to be that way forever though.
How many times are you moving drywall or transporting sick people to the hospital anyway?
Well two of probably a dozen or more requirements a week right? Your solution is “pay someone else with a vehicle” and after a certain number of times that makes less sense than just having a vehicle. Also imagine being a single mom who works with like 5 kids… Trying to manage that with paying for cabs or trying to use a bus…
For non urban people like me you unfortunely need a vehicle to get everything. I vastly prefer public transport if I’m going into a major city because parking is a major inconvience and expense.
Public transport in areas with low population density is unprofitable and poor service … Too few vehicles so long waits between pickups. My town has literally a single cab … Better be the first person to call if you need a ride to work …
Yeah it would be great if everyone wasn’t forced to have a car in order to get to work. Thanks for agreeing!
They could get to work via public transit (safer, cleaner and faster), if it actually got the same funding as cars got.
Lmfao, this is a completely nondisruptive protest, it literally does nothing to stop people from getting to work.
In the UK, we’ve been having protests which actively disrupt traffic, which gets people going “why can’t they protest in ways that affect oil refineries/politicians etc” except people were doing that prior with no media coverage, and since having gained media coverage and then doing that, they get criticised for protests targeting politicians…
What this goes to show is that disruptive protesting will get media coverage, and that many people will pay lip service but will inherently lose their shit over people protesting if it even has the slightest chance of disrupting someone’s day.
The best media coverage is gathered by Led By The Donkeys and none of their actions were disruptive. Most British protesters are just attention whores.
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The British people conceive of the bike as an exotic machine used for Olympic time trials. We would never actually use one to go to the shops. This is fundamentally a nation of bigoted Dunning-Kruger morons that keep voting for the people who don’t build cycle paths and other progressive policy. Every day we fall further into irrelevance. These people think that if we act like Victorians we will achieve the success of that era, meanwhile the rest of the world has moved on.
Jay Foreman has some nice (and very funny) video’s about why Cycling isn’t more common in the UK in his series Unfinished London.
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Amazing. Like a 1960s throwback, the Mark Lamarr of dystopian politics.
Ban All Cars in California by 2030 “Next Week or So The Entire Grid In Cali goes out " not 2 weeks later” talk about red flags on the offense they have no remorse, common sense or consideration, they think we all are idiots like you gullible scooter nerds who voted democrat thinking a 90 year old Patsy got 81 million votes his face isnt even real he has eddie murphy/martin lawrence/johhny knoxville botox on you clowns voted for A Moon Over Parador body double The Original Wag The Dog, Fx and Fx-2 all 4 show us the Psyop Factory in Full Effect and all 4 are 80s movies so imagine the fuckery they finesse us with today
What???
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If the leading cause of death globally 4-15 year olds is car accidents then it’s not a dirty play IMO.
Okay but, counterpoint, cars kill kids.
Edit, so I don’t have to keep repeating myself, and because this is important fucking information:
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
Drowning kills kids. Shall we get rid swimming pools?
If there was an alternative you couldn’t drown in then yes, we should get rid of swimming pools.
There are other, better ways to transport people that are not only more efficient, but significantly safer. Cars are basically the worst way our society could practically organise our transport needs.
There is no other way to swim than by getting in the water, but if your pool in particular keeps on killing loads of people then maybe your pool in particular has a problem and should be shut down.
Edit:
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
I’m all for reducing the amount of cars on the road, but in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.
I’ve done the math. Not owning a car at all or paying for note/gas/maintenance/insurance, and instead living in walking/cycling distance from work would require me to spend about $700/month more than I am now living 35 miles away and paying for my car expenses, and would leave me effectively stranded at work.
Don’t forget that your taxes go towards other people’s driving. Gas, roads and parking comes out of your taxes.
Don’t also forget that your commute is probably 1 hour each way of unpaid work.
in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.
This is exactly the problem that I am trying to highlight. I don’t think individual consumptive actions will fix this. This is a political issue that needs collective action to fix.
Buses kill kids too. Trains too. Airplanes too. Let’s get rid of transportation.
Or is it about the numbers all of the sudden?
You’ve got to be a special level of dumb to think that anything in life has zero risk. Even food kills kids under certain circumstances.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines. Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.
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Those aren’t absolute rates, those are effectively per capita
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Uh. It’s literally per type of vehicle per 100,000,000 miles against passenger vehicles.
You can have your car, go nuts, but people who don’t want one shouldn’t be forced to have one to survive. I should have the freedom to not need a car.
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“Per 100,000,000 passenger miles”. It’s literally right there.
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Name anything else we do that kills more kids. I will wait.
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You’ve said, “You suck at abstraction” to two people now who’ve explained very clearly what’s wrong with your understanding of the study. If you can’t be bothered to explain yourself nobody will know what you mean.
It’s hard to see how “quality of life” can be balanced against enormous numbers of people killed, but it sounds like you can’t name anything that kills more kids? Maybe because there is nothing? Maybe this is a huge problem and saying, “cars kill kids” is actually pretty valid?
Cars are terrible for quality of life unless you live rurally. Not only are they massively wasteful, their highways cut swathes through communities, they create noise pollution, they dominate our landscape and rob us of communal spaces, and they cause urban sprawl and force us into enormous and stessful commutes.
There is no part of our lives that is made better by cars. You can’t just say “quality of life” and expect that to mean anything unless, again, you explain yourself. You don’t seem interested in doing that though.
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Thank you for excepting the exhausting challenge to explain this to a bunch of meat-/car-brains.
