• lugal@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    A working class guy with hayfever.

    The oppression that cames with being a worker and humiliation expressed by an L on his forehead. Combine this with a suffering from a force of nature, no one is to blame for. But than again, why can’t he afford hayfever spray. A rich guy would get a cure, he has to endure it.

    And did you know that climate change worsens hayfever. We already established that hayfever is a sickness of the poor and therefore inherently political. The rich are to blame for climate change, still the poor have to endure it. Still he does everything but stop it but all he can do is greenwash his hat. If this doesn’t scream “proletarians of all nations, unite”, I don’t know what does.

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    I think the better way to say it is that all art can be understood in a political frame of reference

    Using this as a rebuttal to the idea that art can always be understood in a political light for example, is a political statement, that statement being “stop bringing politics into my field of view!”

    The idea of apoliticalness is one that originates from, as a maddened wizard once drivelled, “devout followers of the status quo”, they see politics as a tool only for fixing things, and so the idea that everything is political is to them an extremely radical statement that should be regarded with suspicion, it’s almost an accusation in their eyes, and people go into fight or flight mode when feeling accused.

    This guy chose freeze and put up a distorted luigi model in an attempt to soil himself so that the bear would stop eating him

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      I think the issue with this interpretation is the word “inherently” in the original post. It implies there is some intrinsic value to the art that makes it political.

      While it’s true that all art can be interpreted politically, it’s no more or less true than “all food can be interpreted politically” or “all cats can be interpreted politically.” I can understand absolutely anything you want in a “political frame of reference.”

      When a definition is that broad, it becomes useless.

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        It’s not useless.

        It’s specifically not useless because people forget this.

        Where there is disagreement, there is politics.

        Telling Mariah Carey to leave politics in her b-sides is, inherently, not possible.

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          It’s true that where there’s disagreement there’s politics. It’s also true that where there’s agreement there’s politics. There’s politics in Mariah’s B-sides and A-sides and in the font chosen in the album cover. The material the disc is made out of is politics, and so is the air that transmits the sound waves to your ears.

          My point is that if everything is political, then calling something political loses all meaning. The term political is, then, useless.

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            But how would you tell someone of the world’s politics without it?

            You don’t seem to agree, but it’s kind of incontrovertible.

            All communication is rhetoric. The way that you stand, the clothes you present, the style of speech you adopt—but rhetoric is just the name for all of that.

            Colloquially, political just means something is more terse than usual.

            But that’s the thing I’m arguing about. The usual, the normal, is still at odds with the fringes. There is no debate between the political instigators and normal, apolitical society, who would like to return to a time when trans people weren’t in movies (or blacks, or women)—there is only politics.

            I’m just saying, a lot of people are afraid to rock the boat, and they need to get off that shit.

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              The issue I have is that when you say that “trans people deserve equal rights,” and “I prefer my toast with butter on it” are equally political, I can’t take that position seriously. You might as well be saying they are equally “clifnibble” for all the meaning of has.

              What you’re doing here is an “everything is a sandwich” type thing. Taco, sandwich. Ravioli, sandwich. The planet earth, basically a ravioli, so sandwich.

              While that’s a fun thought experiment, and maybe technically true depending on how you define the word, if someone started trying to eat dirt because they said they wanted a sandwich, I’d call them nuts.

              Yes, all things are political, if you define the word political that way. But when you start spouting off about how someone butters their toast being political, you’re reducing issues that actually matter down to that level.


              And look, I do understand what you’re driving at. You are pushing back against people who don’t want to involve themselves “in politics.” I think it’s horribly reductive to paint them all as wanting to go back to the 1950s. I think most are probably fine with the LGBTQ+ community, and aren’t looking to go back to some racist “utopia.”

              I think most just want to live their lives. They have families and jobs and parents with failing health and financial pressures. There are thousands of marginalized groups. They would happily throw a dollar in a donation tin for them, but they don’t have the emotional bandwidth or time to travel to DC and stand in protest, or argue with strangers on the Internet over it.
              They’re not scared to rock the boat, they just have shit to do that has a far more immediate impact on their life and mental/physical health.