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Why do they run two lemmy instances?
They don’t. Its basically saying that both instances are leftist based, which is true.
They are fascist based, not left
Lemmy.ml is focused on FOSS and Privacy, and is generally a “generalist” instance with that FOSS and Privacy slant.
Lemmygrad.ml is an explicitly Marxist-Leninist instance for Marxist-Leninists.
They really aren’t comparable instances outside of the dev connection.
When everyone dislikes your poorly thought out reactions and you respond to that disdain with calls for nuking entire hemispheres of the only planet we can live on, you kinda have to hide your identity/ideologies by way of obfuscation.
They seem proud and vocal in their echo chamber but these fools are weaker than a watery shit irl.
Invertebrate shit-heels pretending to be tough with Molotov-sippy-cups.
Obfuscation. They know lemmygrad is too obviously tankie for most people, but lemmy.ml is not so obvious. The .ml is a dogwhistle that a lot of users won’t understand, so they can buy some measure of legitimacy that way. I guess they keep lemmygrad because they also want a place where they can go full mask-off.
ML wasn’t machine learning? 😱
It’s actually Mali, as in, the country.
and twitch.tv stands for tuvalu! definitely not television
If your theory is correct, then why would they also keep many of their users uninformed? Referring to Lemmy.ml, of course. You claim it’s for legitimacy, but doesn’t that cease to fulfill its purpose? Is the goal to make a generalist instance, but with slightly more MLs, but also divert the MLs to Lemmygrad?
I’m not sure your theory is correct, I think Lemmy.ml is just what it says it is: a generalist, FOSS and Privacy focused instance run by the devs, who are MLs.
If your theory is correct, then why would they also keep many of their users uninformed? Referring to Lemmy.ml, of course. You claim it’s for legitimacy, but doesn’t that cease to fulfill its purpose?
Because the users that don’t know what the instance is for are the ones that help lend legitimacy to it, because then people like you can believe that it’s just a general instance with no political undertones. You aren’t running cover for them, you are their cover.
Just think for a second about what you’re suggesting. They want to make an instance that is to lend legitimacy to a fringe political ideology, and they openly tell all of their users that that’s exactly what they’re doing? Then all anyone would need to do to destroy that legitimacy would be to publish whatever message the users receive explaining the true purpose of the instance. The cover only works if it’s deniable, and your idea would make it completely undeniable.
Is the goal to make a generalist instance, but with slightly more MLs, but also divert the MLs to Lemmygrad?
That is one of the goals, yes.
Sorry, I really think this is ridiculous. Is Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist? This is just red-scare style paranoia.
The very existance of Lemmygrad.ml should prove that there is an explicitly Marxist-Leninist space for MLs, and Lemmy.ml is a generalist instance for people who don’t care enough about that but want a server dedicated to FOSS and Privacy.
Is Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist?
Liberals and libertarian socialists are usually pretty open about what they believe, so there’s no cover needed. They’re not fringe ideologies like tankies have.
However neoliberalism is a fairly hated ideology. If the people who ran lemmy.world were literally the same people running a neoliberalism sub on that instance and they also ran thatcher.love or whatever, and they banned people for saying neoliberalism was trash, then yeah, it would be a reasonable inference that lemmy.world was some sort of entryist ploy.
It is the existence of lemmygrad combined with the behaviour of the people running lemmy.ml that makes the case to defederate. If that happens and you don’t like it, you could always migrate your account, unless you like it there, in which case you’re probably not the normie you first appeared to be.
Lemmy.world regularly bans Marxist-Leninists, it is a two-way street there.
Again, I truly don’t see how Lemmygrad taking the marxist-leninists means Lemmy.ml is a cover for Marxism-Leninism, it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.
“it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.” -moderated and controlled at least somewhat by tankies who will delete your comment and possibly ban you for saying things about their flavour of communism that they dont like
Just for being marxist-leninists? Or because they were toxic assholes?
Completely tangential, but imma be real with you: libsocs are fringe too.
Indeed, socialism of any sort is pretty fringe in most of the West.
That’s a fair point, although I would say socialism is becoming less fringe, and it seems like the various types of libsoc are the main forms of socialism because people have seen the failures of state based solutions, even amongst demsocs/socdems.
That said, I kind of agree and the word “fringe” didn’t sit quite right. On reflection a better word would be “covert”, since ideologies that explicitly want to dominate people tend to hide what they are, since they know it’s not acceptable to state their aims up front. That’s really the idea I was getting at.
The whole reason this was posted is because of the users posting they hot banned from ml for stating facts that tankies disagree with.
Such as?
Merely using the word Tankie has gotten me bigotry ruled recently. .ml is infected with Tankies regardless of what other people use it for.
Edit: Oooh, the Tankie Brigade are here
The existence of the Uyghur genocide, for one
There are people who think they’re at all different?
I’m pretty sure lemmygrad was explicitly created to be the mask off equivalent of .ml
i don’t know that people think they are different per se, but i do see a strange sense of shock that the same people annoyed with one might also be annoyed at the other
There are users who don’t know why .ml was the domain that was used, only that it was the original instance so that’s what they chose to sign up with.
Yep when I first joined I thought it stood for main Instance.
Why was it the domain that was used?
ML = Marxist-Leninist
Got it. Thank you!
I leave them unblocked, I like seeing the crazies sometimes
I block individuals. I think it can be good to expose myself to the eastern narrative a little since I’m only experiencing a western narrative. As well as eastern shitpost’s since I subscribe to 4chan
Love the name btw
Thank you 🥹
Most non-bots are from United States and know nothing about eastern narrative other than what russian and Chinese bots are feeding them.
I find your innocence thinking the western narrative is not managed by CIA bots and shills, a bit cute. Just look at any discourse regarding Israel and Palestine and see how braindead liberals become bloodthirsty af when they realize many in the world don’t share their worldview.
absolutely a valid position to have
Thanks I need to get the wiggles out sometimes too
ml is okayish compared to hexbear lol
I thought at first it was some fun leftist lgbt place but quickly I ran into violent bloodthirsty comments that made my skin crawl. there are also many of my lovely fellow transfems over there ugh. it is really sad when people are lost into the void of extremism. But I don’t really blame them however I grieve them.
Me when I see [email protected] is leaking:
[email protected] is the syntax for linking to communities. I feel it’s used too rarely on Lemmy, leading to the slow propagation of information and few people using the unique features that make the lemmyverse navigable. I’d never manage to reach the communities I’m searching for if not for easy linking.
Oh, TIL. Is there any specific documentation for syntax like this for lemmy?
Will edit it in when I find more butthis is Lemmy’s markdown tutorial. It covers a few items uniqueish to lemmy, especially cool are magnet links, but I’m not sure where they keep info about other unique features. Offhandedly, the only other thing I can think of is linking to profiles with @[email protected]. (This does ping the user, btw)Edit: I got nothing, it’s impossible to find and/or doesn’t exist. No other option. But if someone else finds it, a link would be helpful.
Ohh yeah, look at all those notifications. That feels good. Oh god, I’m close. Oh god.
I think for many is shock and surprise is that anything even remotely “ml” is even allowed. Like something illegal is being allowed in plain sight.
To be fair, Communism is illegal in the US.
No, it’s not.
Someone better tell these people they all could be arrested at any moment!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
No but seriously it’s an unenforceable junk law that no one has bothered to take the time to repeal that was never even really used in the first place. I mean, the communist party runs candidates for office to this day. Someone finally tried to use it in 1972 to keep a communist candidate off the ballot and a federal district Court promptly ruled it unconstitutional.
https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/1zey0ee5l/arizona-district-court/blawis-v-bolin/
Ah, fair, didn’t see that it got repealed. My original point was more to state that the legal system works against Communism, America is a thoroughly anti-Communist project both within and without.
I’d say more broadly the legal and political system works against any organizations that threaten the status quo, but yes America’s attitudes toward communism have been pretty obvious throughout the twentieth century. I just took issue with the idea that political parties or idealogies are illegal in and of themselves in the US, constitution still manages to protects some things.
At least at face-value, sure. Communism itself is a threat to America.
“Communist Party” and “Communism” are not equivalent concepts
Who makes that distinction? Plus, the idea of destroying the state, Capitalism, class divides, and money definitely is legally opposed.
Who makes that distinction?
Anyone versed in basic political theory.
An ideology and a political organization are obviously different. Just like republicanism and The Republican Party, democracy and The Democratic Party, socialism and The Socialist Party, etc.
destroying the state
That’s technically sedition, so, yes, illegal.
Capitalism
Nowhere in U.S. jurisprudence is “capitalism” (verbatim) explicitly protected as an economic system. The 14th Amendment’s Due Process Clause prevents the state from taking someone’s life, liberty, or property without a proper justification under the laws of the land. The Constitution protects individuals from the government. Freedom to contract is a principle that underpins the basis for a free-market economy.
After the Great Depression, the Court began to treat the freedom to contract as less than absolute, asserting that such freedom may be limited by the State’s interest to protect its citizens. Capitalism is a right guaranteed by the constitution but limited in scope to protect individuals against the dangers of laissez-faire capitalism.
class divides
There are no explicit laws in U.S. jurisprudence (that I know of or have turned up on brief internet searches) that enforce “class divides”.
money
Be it resources, precious metals, or legal tender, money is protected by the 14th Amendment’s Due Process Clause.
So we can conclude that the advocacy or practice of communism isn’t itself illegal. Forcing people to practice it or overthrowing the government and dissolving The Bill of Rights in order to force people to practice most certainly is.
In my opinion, that’s a good thing.
Communism isn’t Communalism. Advocating for Communism and attempting to implement Communism at a national level is illegal, as you’ve shown.
Who makes that distinction?
… literally anyone who thinks about it? The US Communist Party is one party, there are plenty of other parties that identify as communist. You don’t have to be called “The Communist Party” to be communist.
New Afrikan Black Panther Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Communist parties aren’t popular at all, but they’re far from banned. There are multiple Marxist, ML, Maoist, etc. parties.
Laws are interpreted and wielded by those in power. The Democrats are already called Communists, what happens if a genuine Socialist party takes some amount of power?
If you had actually read the Wikipedia article:
In 1973, a federal district court in Arizona decided that the act was unconstitutional, and Arizona could not keep the party off the ballot in the 1972 general election (Blawis v. Bolin). In 1961, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the act did not bar the party from participating in New York’s unemployment insurance system (Communist Party v. Catherwood).
So yes, the law passed during the the McCarthy era … and was afterwards declared unconstitutional.
Ah, fair, didn’t see that it got repealed. My original point was more to state that the legal system works against Communism, America is a thoroughly anti-Communist project both within and without.
You shills must have a special team just for moving the goalposts.
.ml account with 28 comments in this thread. Makes sense.
Its literally illegal to be an anarchist if youre an immigrant, even a citizen.
source?
I have literally never convinced someone of something by citing sources, and its a pain on mobile. Convince me or search it yourself. Sorry, a bit jaded on my end.
You don’t need the “literally”.
Nah it really drives home the fact that there has not been one exception in my entire fucking life.
No shit, to be an anarchist is to go against hierarchies like the police state.
Not formally. Talk to a cop while wearing a red bandana and clothing with a red star or hammer and sickle on it.
(Please don’t ban me for suggesting suicide, I don’t actually want them to do this)
Oh my god who cares, shut the fuck up
womp womp that’s a mean comment
🚨🚨mean comment detected your opinion does not matter🚨🚨
Why does this feel like a dark family secret.
They’re our crazy uncle that we try to keep locked in the basement but sometimes guests hear the crazed incomprehensible ranting from the cellar door.
I’ve not been on here long enough to know what this is about, anyone care to explain?
Lemmy.ml is full of socialists! Edit: really
I wish.
I love socialism and keep engaging but all too often it’s people glorifying dictators.
In case you havent been here long enough to know what a Tankie is, on top of what everyone else has shared: A Tankie is a Communist who thinks Russia and China have done nothing wrong, they’ll try and make you think we call ALL communists/left leaning people Tankies, but no, the Tank part of Tankie comes from shit like Tiananmen Square where they used tanks to destroy their political opposition, and Tankies are perfectly fine with this/claim shit like Tiananmen Square is propoganda.
Tldr: Communist/Socialists/leftists who arent a fan of Russia and China’s dictatorial tendencies? Not a Tankie. Communist who’ll defend Russia and China to the point of thinking maybe Ukraine deserves to be invaded and that Taiwan should be absorbed by China? Tankie
Edit: Even more TL:Dr? They’re the leftist version of a Nazi Brony
Edit the third: Tankies, downvotes by you hold as much meaning as a downvote on youtube does… I saw the downvote count go from 1-6 in 15 minutes so you could make it look like as much people disagreed with me as agreed
Ah, that makes quite a lot of sense! Thank you!
In short, it is politics.
The ml stands for Marxist Leninist. Basically, it means the admins of an instance ending in ml has been some revolting politics.
I thought it meant machine learning :(
And not just Marxist Leninism, but revanchist Marxist Leninism which denies the wrongdoing of not only Stalin and Mao but also Putin and Xi entirely and blames anything that happened in history or present on the West.
Ie. Tankies.
I wouldn’t really have much problem with them if they were Marxist Leninist and still acknowledged history and reality. Unfortunately that’s not the case.
We acknowledge history and reality. Calling all of us Tankies is such a cop out. Putin bad, Xi is pretty chill comparatively speaking to Putin. Lemmy.ml is a beacon of free speech and ideas compared to Lemmygrad and hexbear, where i have had multiple comments deleted when I wrote well thought put arguments around voting for the lesser of 2 evils to be the best course of action to protect the Prolitariat while forming the Class Conciousness necessary for any sort of true Marxist society to form. Yall calling anyone left of Democratic Socialist is reactionary af.
This doesn’t match the reality I’ve experienced there unfortunately. And I did give it the good old college try before giving up.
Beacon of free speech? That’s not only a huge stretch, I’m gonnq say thats bullshit altogether, go look at the modlog and you might change your mind. They delete and ban people for having different opinions, even when they have sources and evidence.
See a lot of us who frequently call out Tankies dont consider YOU a Tankie if what you state your opinions about Putin and Xi are true. A LOT of us are sick of people who supposedly care about oppressed classes sucking off dictators though.
I still can’t stop associating ml with machine learning first 😅
I assumed that’s what it stood for because it was listed as hosting tech-focused communities.
Yup, same. Well, half a year later I found out the hidden truth 🌚 and keep forgetting it every time, still
It actually stands for “Mali”.
I understand that, but there’s a reason they chose that domain, and that’s why.
Its bc its cheap iirc, the second meaning was a plus tho im sure
Also, “Marxism-Leninism” as a term was coined by Stalin, but there’s a reason people avoid the term “Stalinism”, because even these people understand that his horrific legacy can’t be revised.
So whenever you hear the term, you can understand that it’s basically Stalinism papered over with the names of dead men who couldn’t object to him puppeteering them and coopting their legacy to lend legitimacy to his reign of terror.
What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.
Yay! Another meta echo chamber! /s
It actually would be a good thing. Pariah instances are how the fediverse will have to moderate itself, and these people have shown themselves to be incapable of playing well with others. I purposely avoided joining any of their subs because I saw how toxic their influence was on reddit.
If you look at peertube, there’s one instance that hosts Steven Crowder and Alex Jones and like two other people who I assume are lesser demons of some kind. I would avoid any instance that doesn’t have the good sense to defederate from that one. This is a similar thing. I doubt the tankies are going to be on the popular side of the schism if it happens, they would have an echo chamber and we would be rid of them.
The thing about an echo chamber like that is that thanks to the public nature of federation status, it would be obvious who the pariah instances are, so anyone still there would be made aware that they are the minority, not the voice of the people in any way. That’s something that takes longer to notice in a forum like truth social. The numbers might be there for people to see, but it’s a different platform so you can say there’s a slow adoption rate or something, like you can say about Lemmy. With pariah instances there is a direct and obvious comparison, and people have left because your instance fucked up. That’s going to drive all but the most hardcore folks away to other instances.
ooh i never knew about the crowder/jones peertube thing, thanks for this analysis!
also for those downvoting you, it’s not really even an echo chamber. my instance defederates both, nevertheless i hear about shit that goes down on .ml literally daily, same as i am still well aware of the latest on crowder and jones.
defederation literally just means i’m spared the curse of having to deal with the shit firsthand. i still have no lack of understanding of the positions involved.
Then block the instance for yourself. If I get tied of it, I can do that for myself. No reason you should be my Internet guardian.
ur fighting with shadows homie. my instance is not yours. no reason for you to feel threatened by me expressing my experience.
No, I didn’t mean me, alone, personally.
what
Okay but have you considered muh freeze peach?
I welcome diversity of opinion. I may accidentally learn something. If I find a poster or instance I find particularly distasteful, I can block them. No need to censor unless it’s human trafficking, CSA., gore, and especially the American exceptionalist vote blue/maga stuff.
I’m not particularly into right or left wing authoritarianism, but I enjoy learning something beyond typical American propaganda.
I don’t think you understand just how persistent these people can be, Internet Communist is their personality. The last time I looked, all their memes were thinly veiled jabs at capitalism, or the US, or about their politics in some way, they find a way to shoehorn it into every single conversation.
They’re also in support of almost everything Russia does, including invading their neighbours, and opposed to everything the US does.
They’re awful, they’re abrasive, and they get everywhere.
Internet Communist is their personality
Not really, it’s their facade. They’re not actually communists, it’s just a mask they use to spread CCP and Kremlin propaganda. Plus their paid to do it, they’re not authentic.
This isn’t about diversity of opinion. I will happily talk to a tankie and explain why I think they are wrong, unless they’re a toxic asshole in which case I will simply point out that fact. The problem is when tankies get in charge of forums they behave like toxic assholes, and then yeah, I think we should ditch that forum.
What’s stopping you from blocking a particular instance? Why do you want to block it from me?
Nobody is blocking you from it. You can go find an instance that doesn’t defederate. You can make an account with them. Literally nobody is stopping you.
If the admins of your instance agree it should be defederated and you disagree, then I guess that instance isn’t a good fit for you.
This isn’t like… a difficult concept, so I have to ask what it is about it that you’re struggling with.
Ohh, the “no you!” H hit me in the feels!
What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.
But due its size, it’s also full of regular people. [email protected] is a good Linux community. Why block the entire instance when the Mao fanboys are just active in certain politics communities?
It takes minutes to create an account on an instance, it’s not hard to move a community.
You can move a community with all subscribers? How? Does this work if the server was already defederated? Why defederate an entire server if only specific communities are problematic? Just block those.
Basically set up a community with the same name on another instance, and say “everyone go over there”
If it’s done officially by the mods, then the new community becomes the official one.
And that statement is one nobody can read because the server has already been defederated. Doesn’t sound like the best idea. Just block the Mao fanboy communities you don’t like. Definitely a lower impact than blocking sane communities on that server like [email protected] for everyone.
Actually, those annoying dorks are no great loss either.
Wait, what’s lemmygrad?? I incorrectly inferred that lemmygrad was a disparaging name for lemmy.ml
Neat, we’re not federated with them
Good for you. I blocked that instance the second that was an option.
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no matter how bad it might seem here I can promise reddit is a thousand times worse
Let me give an example: I have a friend on Bluesky. He’s as middle of the road as it’s possible to be (and I say that in an entirely neutral way; it makes him neither better nor worse than anyone). He’s nice, and a good person. But he’s aggressive, disruptive, a fight-picker, and a single-issue conversationalist on social media. Bluesky seems to have a disproportionate number of people who are very nice, well-meaning, but aggressive and disruptive. I left Bluesky to exit an echo chamber for something more serene. I think that’s one thing the loud folk don’t quite get, regardless of their ideology: not all of us are here to yell and throw things all the time.
There are instances that don’t defederate at all. Or block piracy communities.
Hi just migrated from Lemmy.ml. just wondering what a tankie actually is? I’ve heard it used a lot especially on Lemmy. My guess is some kind of pro CCP kind of communist but that’s my best guess
Edit: Nvm just googled it. Its pretty much what I wrote.
yeah you p much got it, (e: specifically they are v v chill with violence against innocents and authoritarianism to bring about their chosen regime. im already getting downvoted in this comment tho so yeah just go look at the wikipedia page 😭)
Does that mean most Americans are tankies when it comes to Israel’s ongoing genocide of Palestinians 🤔
**Clearly struck a cord with the bloodthirsty genocide supporters
Tankie is a term exclusively used for communists.
Oh yeah I forgot. Communism is bad, but mass killing brown Muslims is fine because they’re subhuman cannon fodder for furthering America’s Military Industrial Complex. Thanks for clearing that up.
Words have meaning you know. That is just the meaning of the word tankie. If you fail to understand that, I feel sorry for you.
Try harder.
plenty of the people leveraging the word “tankie” against tankies are communists, or at least socialists, just less authoritarian ones. and i’d venture to guess that the vast majority of those people are anti-genocide, including the case of Gaza.
please take the smallest of measures to understand the positions at foot before stuffing straw men into everyone’s mouths. you look quite foolish here.
Communism isn’t bad per se, authoritarianism is, but there are many authoritarian regimes going under the name ‘communist’, thus we have a term for that: tankie. Using different terms to describe the Israeli state (like fascist, ethno-nationalist, or Zionist) and its supporters does not mean it’s not bad. It really is! It’s just categorically different in the ideology espoused by them, and having language to describe that is not bad.
Intentionally missing the point of the irony behind Americans using words that allude to ignoring a genocide while actively ignoring a genocide they’re tax dollars are funding.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re just a troll or actually this stupid.
American perspective: opposing genocide is stupid
no that doesn’t mean that. tankies are communist. most americans are not generally communists
Depends on whether the person saying it is a fellow leftie or a rightwinger brainlet. To the first, it’s what you described - an anti-Marxist communist. To the second group, anyone left of Nixon.
IMO a tankie on the left is just a pure anti-west authoritarian cosplaying as a communist - the communism is largely window dressing and they are generally perfectly happy defending Russia (obviously not communist) or authoritarian nonsense from China and other communist countries.
Wtf is an anti-Marxist communist? Is that like a swimmer that can’t swim? Arizona just outlawed abortion, and have senators speaking in tongues while praying on the floor of the house. President Biden is fully endorsing a genocide in the Middle East. Trump might become the first dictator of America.
And ya’ll worried about ?.?.“”TANKIES””. ?.?
Get some GD perspective.
Get some GD perspective.
That’s fucking RICH, and that’s coming from a lib who apparently only knows how to genocide for vast wealth and power.
Did you just own yourself? I don’t understand this convoluted cleverness.
What’s it like not living in society?
Go troll in hell
Is that a Karl Kautsky quote?
Begone, tankie.
I’m a white, upper middle class boomer living in America who is registered independent, but consistently voted for Democrats for the past 28 years. I did vote for Ross Perot in ‘92, because I wanted a third party. I’m as far removed from a “tankie” as you can get.
Why is it wrong to think for yourself and form your own opinions? Ya’ll just want to hate on people to pretend you have some control in this chaotic world.
It makes me sad that so many want to spread hate instead of love.
To be fair, I only have you labaled as “tankie apologist” on my app.
And tankies poison the well, they are something to be concerned about even if worse things are happening.
That’s fair. I’m more worried about climate change than the pettiness of leftist infighting, so I will continue to apologize for any group that is anti-capitalist.
I’m pragmatic enough to understand that when a planned economy comes, and it will, we may not have the time and opportunities to choose which structures replace capitalism. It may be an amalgamation of many socialist strategies.
I find it pointless to bicker over socialism, when fascism is the bigger threat. But it is entertaining.
They’re comment is wrong. But non-marxian communism exists. For example council communism.
But a Tankie is basically a Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist communist who dick rides authoritarianism.
I’ve always liked the idea of Council Communism, but I must admit I don’t know as much about it as I would like.
As such, it is referred to as anti-authoritarianand anti-Leninist Marxism.
I just think it’s silly to divide ourselves into camps, while we are essentially seeking the same goals.
while we are essentially seeking the same goals.
Authoritarian “leftists” are not seeking the same goals as other leftists.
Neither are social democrats, but we take help where we can get it. If we exclude anyone anti-fascist, that division will be exploited. We can’t afford to lose sight of the true enemy, the billionaire ruling class.
Council communism is basically methadone therapy for Marxists, for those that can’t make the leap to Anarchism. Council Communism is essentially indistinguishable (in practice, theory is a bit different) from Syndicalism.
As to campism: Somehow it’s always the authoritarians calling for “left unity”, that of course meaning “follow Stalin”. No, we don’t seek the same goals, and, no, we didn’t forget the Bolsheviks allying with fascists to stab Anarchists in the back.
“The anarchists point of view is the most disruptive element in the New Left and should be capitalized on in the most confusing ways,” the FBI wrote. [Source](“The anarchists point of view is the most disruptive element in the New Left and should be capitalized on in the most confusing ways,” the FBI wrote.)
Why were the FBI okay with Anarchists, but not Marxists Leninist like the Black Panthers?
man, I really need to create my own instance sometime.
Wait, I though lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml were about machine learning and gradient stuff
that would be nice 😂
Newbie here, do I not see lemmygrad stuff on my “all” feed because I am on the shitjustworks instance?
I can pull it up in the search bar, but don’t seem able to subscribe.
I probably need to watch a newbs guide to the fediverse video or something. Like I understand the basic idea, but not the nuances or technical stuff.
yes! @[email protected] doesn’t like grad and defederated from them.
here’s why in their own words:
The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day.
Actually, there was a vote immediately after the defederation to see whether people wanted lemmygrad refederated, and about 80-90% of the votes were to stay defederated, so it seems the users of sh.itjust.works also don’t like grad.
It’s worth noting about your edit: I’m pretty sure hexbear was the one that initiated defederation from shit over shit posters being transphobic and harassing users in dms.
You are correct, hexbear did defederate from sh.itjust.works about a week after federating with them, so the vote became moot.
The reason you gave is part of the reason hexbear admins gave, but I would take what they say with a grain of salt. I’ve seen people say things like “being trans in thoughts is a much different experiece than being trans in the way you dress, act, and look” and hexbear users will call that transphobic/uninclusive, as well as generally being vitriolic and unpleasant.
As an example, a post where someone says “Biden brings up minimum wage increase and asks other democrats to speak up” will have several comments from hexbear users saying “capitalist bootlickers defending Biden should be shot like the vermin they are.” Maybe some users harassed hexbear users for these comments? I personally didn’t see any but it’s definitely possible.
Lol
defed.xyz lets you check.
looks like your instance is defederated by lemmygrad, so that’s probably what’s up.
Yea I knew I had start looking up who is federated with whom. Thanks for the link!
no problem im always forgetting this specific link too, but it’s really handy :)
Yeah. Also, your instance is pretty well known for doing little about the vast numbers of hard right and alt right individuals on it who seek out and harass left leaning individuals, so it’s in both instances best interest to be separated.
Thanks for the heads up. Outside of a couple instances I see mentioned all the time, Im not really sure of the differences between them all and their reputations. Lemmy world was my first attempt, but two or three times the account creation did not work. I’m sure it was user error, but I’m not sure how exactly I messed up.
Really? I just joined it cause I thought the instance name was hilarious.
