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I didn’t what ?
Not my circus, not my problem.
Stock shrinkage is expected and baked into the markup you are paying.
So I guess your saying since stopping one theft from happening won’t significantly change that markup, you should not even try to stop theft (even if bringing down prices is a good thing for poor people who don’t steal). But by that same logic, why bother trying to reduce your carbon footprint? I mean look, if I see someone walking out of the grocery store with food I’m not gonna say anything. But I wouldn’t extent that to retail theft in general.
Easy, one is about survival of the planet and species. The other is not giving a damn about an organization that is insured for that exact purpose.
Also, there is no “bringing down prices” they’re, at best, going to just keep increasing a bit slower.
devils advocate: what if that person stealing a sandwich turned out to be convicted murderer Robert Durst
On November 30, Durst was caught inside a Wegmans supermarket in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, after trying to shoplift Band-Aids, a newspaper, and a chicken salad sandwich, despite having $500 in cash in his pocket.
He wasn’t just stealing food. If someone needs food, you look the other way. But non-essentials? That’s a different story.
A sandwich feeds you for half a day, a gucci bag can feed someone for a week. Or at least enable someone to buy other essentials like diapers that are much harder to steal.
a gucci bag can feed someone for a week
Hard disagree. Shoes would taste better.
The answer is a most definite nope.
I’d be much less inclinded to get involved with a murderer
I am less inclined to confront an actual murderer. So my answer is nope and noper.
Ok, if you see Robert Durst stealing a sandwich, report him immediately. Otherwise, don’t.
What if I see him murdering someone?
Give him a sandwhich?
Have we considered that maybe he murdered because he had low blood sugar?
Okay but for all you know he could be murdering a child murderer
Then I sure as fuck don’t want to risk a confrontation with a murderer over a supermarket sandwich
If I saw someone shoplifting anything I wouldn’t lol none my business
The right answer. You never know what people have on them. I personally don’t want to get shot or stabbed. Corporations have insurance, AND make enough profit for me to care.
Yeah, I’ll start caring about shoplifting as soon as it becomes remotely the same magnitude of a problem as wage theft.
Only time I’ll say something is a mom and pop store. Then the thief is being shitty. Go steal from a Walmart, not here.
I dunno. Oftentimes desperate people are more liable to steal from those stores than to steal from Walmart because the security is more lax. people like to say that, oh, Walmart builds it into their budgets, the theft, so they do nothing about it, but that’s totally false, there are plenty of instances where Walmart or whatever other shitass big box store will call the cops or try to detain you with their personal security. Not to say that people should rob local businesses over Walmart if they have the choice, right, but that’s why people might do it.
Only time I’d disagree with this is if it was a local family/co-op ran store. I couldn’t care less about the bottom line of a corporation
What if they’re rich
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/middle-class-mum-shoplifting-m-s-b2451024.html
middle class
rich
Lol. “Middle class” doesn’t exist anymore, it’s only a term used by out of touch politicians to refer to people who can maybe afford to go out to eat once a week.
If you say so 🤨
Show me the middle class, please 😂
How do i even show you a group of people with certain amount of income, pie chart? 🤔
They’re all around me, the range rover that just drove past was driven by one
Yet, shoplifting happens more often in poor areas. I’m sure you can cherry-pick op-eds about middle class and even rich people doing it, but in reality, it’s mostly survival.
I guess you’re right, i forgot it’s mostly american here where small, family owned market did not exists, because american keep driving themselves into a corner.
The answer is still nope.
What if they’re landlord
Still nope.
If you see someone shoplifting, remember it isn’t your job to deal with it, stores pay security for that. getting involved is providing free labor to the company, and they get enough of that through wage theft.
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If you see someone shoplifting
foodanything, no you didn’t.FTFY.
Absolutely. It’s far easier to steal a few small, expensive, easy to resell things then take the proceeds and buy a week’s worth of groceries than it is to steal a week’s worth of groceries. Food is bulky.
Fair.
even if you did, what would you gain from reporting it? triumph?
If I wanted to victimize poor people to protect billionaire parasites I’d join their taxpayer-funded gang of rapists, murderers and torturers over at the local cop-shop.
None of these companies are worried about me when they jack their prices up while people are struggling. I don’t know why I would ever give a shit about them. I’m just here to buy moisturizer and stay in my lane.
Look at Mr Moneybags over here, buying moisturizer.
Leredditor joke
Here is some of the Loblaws grocery store markup that was leaked.
The figures in the screenshot are too small to see clearly, so I found an article that has the full-size copy of each page: https://thedeepdive.ca/selling-butter-at-54-profit-leaked-docs-show-loblaws-exorbitant-markups/
Bless you.
Theft does make prices go up though, you know? It also makes stores close in underserved communities.
Prices go up regardless of wage increases or thefts. Prices are coupled with only one thing and that is corporate greed.
It also makes stores close in underserved communities.
That is corporate PR bullshit that you swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Cool, still not my problem. They can hire people to care about it, I’m not ratting people out. And let’s be real, a lot of those companies lie and blame theft for higher prices and store closures and then it turns out they’re actually full of crap. Target got caught doing that like 5 minutes ago.
See you’re assuming they wouldn’t jack up the prices even without theft, as someone who studied business it’s literally taught to see how far you can push before the breaking point. line go up. It does suck in undeserved communities but there’s not much we can do, people in those communities often vote against their best interest.
The breaking point, though, is the point when consumers will look to alternatives, e.g. a different store. As long as there are other options available, competition does usually do a decent job of keeping prices down.
And companies in a free market would never, ever collude to keep prices high in the face of that very competition you think will keep prices down, right? In fact that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now, is prices being kept down by the absolutely healthy competition in the Canadian grocery market, right?
Look collusion is a thing, but it’s illegal. Grocery stores, even the big chains in the US anyways are pretty cutthroat, they aren’t making huge profits they’re fighting to survive vs Amazon and the like. Anyways my point is that the claim that costs don’t affect prices (and therefore losses from theft don’t affect prices) is just silly.
In the self checkout I watched a man with his children have his card rejected, so he just walked out with the food.
The security guards came up to ask me if I knew what way the man went.
I pointed up in the air to the security camera dome and said, “he sort of went that way, boys.”
Can’t jack the prices and not expect consequences.
Massive store near me remodeled about two years ago with a focus on tons of new self checkouts.
Recently, all have been closed.
Surprised that so much walked out the doors via self checkouts that it’s cheaper to pay employees and take whatever aggregate losses there might be from higher wait times!
That is to say, the man with his children apparently wasn’t the only one.
UBI now!
Costco appears to have even abandoned it, and for reference, the customers not only pay to be there but on average has a household income over $70k.
The frog boiling point might not be here yet, but when is it? When people making over a hundred k are willing to risk it all to steal?
Self-checkouts were so convenient, now they’ve had some of them gated and some just closed down because people kept stealing. Sucks.
They’re amazing here, we don’t have proshoplifting communities though it’s generally looked down upon so it’s not quiet the dystopia America seems to be. I love being able to get in and out without pausing my podcast.
I’m from Finland. Things are pretty good here but it still happens, self-checkouts were scaled down because of theft. Teens and junkies being two big groups, from what I’ve heard from people working with self-checkouts. Sucks.
yes i did
u wouldn’t understand since u survive entirely on what u lick of corporate boots
I see people stealing food all the time at my work, I just give them a nod and mind my own fuckin business, I just want to go home.
believe it or not, but i have absolutely 0 Problems with that. If you wanna do that, then please do it.
But i won’t do the same.
The Kroger Company thanks you. They wouldn’t have made that $150 billion revenue without someone like you stopping a hungry man from stealing a loaf of bread.
well, isn’t that nice of them?
Tell them i said hi.
Why would I do that? They don’t care that you exist. It was the sort of thank you they put up on a sign at the exit.
Watch out boys, we got a narc here
We don’t get to choose the laws we follow; not without consequence.
But you CAN choose what ice cream flavor is your favorite, shame you chose “boot”
Sure I saw them stealing. I most likely won’t care enough to elevate it. I’ve got places to get to.
Unless you live where I do, where people steal mass amounts of junk food from convenience stores and then resell it at the nighttime markets to our struggling, marginalized, population of unhoused folks at an exploitative mark-up.
Because that is actively harming me, and the community I live in.
Though even with all that, confronting or reporting them isn’t helpful. But if asked, and I saw it, I would say so.
Why dont those people just buy the food from the Store ?
Stores close and you can’t get fentanyl at those stores as easily.
Hey, this is a thread about supporting shoplifters not price gougers.
What?
I’ve watched people shoplift food several times, and they weren’t poor people just looking to eat. I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.
If someone was stealing a loaf of bread or something for themselves, I didn’t see a thing, but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money. Lots of people steal stuff to resell, or because they’re just dicks…
I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.
And yet Google tells me that M&S has a revenue of £11.93 billion.
So why are you caring about them losing a few hundred of that?
Because others can’t buy meat because some bellends wanted to steal it to sell during Christmas?
I don’t give a fuck about M&S losing profit. I do give a fuck about obvious crime that puts people out…
Are you unaware of the amount of meat that gets thrown out by grocery stores? In the US, it’s billions of pounds a year.
I highly doubt they ran out of the store with an amount that did more than make someone’s job easier that night, or force someone to pivot their dinner to a different cut of meat.
Like, I get it. I do. It’s a lot of money, and it’s against the law. But the idea that someone is going to go hungry because of the action is ridiculous.
Yeah we need to stop the resale markets
let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money
When you rob one grocery store of a 10 lb brisket, its called shoplifting.
But when you rob every grocery store of 10% of their net revenue, its called paying your shareholders a dividend.
You can give a shit about two things at once. Imagine that lol.
Both the mountain and the mole hill are important features of the landscape
For sure. And the mountain is a big one. But when you’re talking about moles digging up your garden, someone pointing to the mountain and telling how that’s much bigger than the molehills doesn’t seem that relevant.
Don’t really care about some corporations losing out on their margins after nickel and diming everyone as high as they possibly can. Especially if the end result is someone or multiple people eating.
This isn’t Robin Hood. These are two guys that clearly wanted to steal food at a peak time to sell it elsewhere. The same number of people are eating, possibly less so because these guys are probably flogging their stolen shit in a pub somewhere and will likely dump what they can’t sell.
This place is so weird sometimes. I don’t know if it’s a Lemmy or American thing, but this kind of stuff is pretty common in the UK…
Grocery stores dump hundred of pound of still edible food into the garbage each and every day. And no one is eating less because of thefts from the grocery store. The main reason people are starving right now is because their grocery bill spiked and extra $100-200 for absolutely no reason other than pure greed that they were able to blame on “inflation”.
Your problem isn’t with the addicts, its with the system that is ever antagonistic towards its people. Addicts can be hard people to deal with, but they’re still people. Now obviously if they’re acting violently there’s no excuse for action like that. But if they’re just taking food why should I care?
Here they’ve had shittier protections against shoplifting, no bags to shops and whatnot because junkies kept stealing expensive meats and cheese to sell. It sucks. Here they’re even given money to live on, housing, free food and whatnot. Hasn’t stopped it.
junkies
What a disgusting dehumanizing term. Drug addiction is a much greater issue that needs more than reactionary remarks and actions to solve. A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to. And so long as they’re being non-violent then I empathize with their struggle.
Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.
Narkomaani -> narkkari, narkkari -> junkie. For me it’s a shorthand rather than an attempt to make them feel bad about it.
A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to
We have fairly extensive benefits programs (money, housing, programs for addiction, mental health, many sorts) but the thing about drug addiction is that it drains all the money you have. That’s why so often addicts are also stealing stuff to get more money for drugs. Sucks for them but also sucks for others who get their shit stolen. Especially bikes get stolen a lot by junkies. And sucks that because of the stealing some stores are having harder time justifying the expenses, which can lead to shops closing. I don’t think it’s ever been the sole reason here but it has been one of the reasons.
Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.
It sucks as a shopper that things are worsening because of stealing. And it’s a co-op I was thinking of so it’s not really that sort of faceless corporation. I just voted in the co-op elections, actually.
It would be easier to empathize if they were stealing to eat instead of getting more money for drugs. Or if we had the US style system where benefits and social programs barely exist. But that’s not the case.
If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs. The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts. I don’t believe in any circumstance we should be holding money ahead of human lives.
It’s a shame when people are stolen from, but it’s a tragedy when people die. And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.
If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs.
I don’t know what I’d honestly add on top of what we now have in Finland. Housing, money, food programs, clean needles, addiction programs, programs to manage your life, all sort of stuff. What would you change or add?
The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts.
We have free replacement drugs available to addicts. So you could get that for your withdrawals without having to steal. But many steal instead. Not sure how I’d change the system to get them to pick the replacement drugs instead of stealing.
And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.
What about the system in Finland doesn’t allow for actual recovery?
Drugs in general are still illegal to possess and use under Finnish law. You need to decriminalize drug use before you can actually tackle it since it’s a health/psychology issue when it comes to the individual.
It’s hard to seek out proper help when you’re worried that you’ll be arrested/fined just for being an addict.
Holy crap! You managed to say something that flies in the face of the polarized masses and not get wrecked for it!
There will always be people that’ll miss the point, as some of the replies show…
Who cares lmao
If you’re nicking stuff M&S it can’t just be any theft
Yeah, to be fair I feel like I’ve been robbed any time I get lunch there…
You don’t know that the person owned the car. Breed is not nutrients rich. People can’t live on breed.
What the fuck are you talking about? They literally ran into a getaway car with their friend to leave the scene of the crime as fast as they could. You don’t steal hundreds of pounds of meat at Christmas because “you need nutrients”…
I knew a very good looking girl, she was a student while I did my B.Sc. her parents paid for her studies but nothing more. She managed to work enough to rent a very basic place.
However, she had no problem asking people for a ride, or to take their car for a ride. She would than shoplift a lot of food, including high quality ingredients. If something went wrong she smiled and cried her self out of the troubles.
And the stolen food? she cooked a lot and gave away most of it.
People are weird, and you don’t know what’s going in other people’s lives. Is it possible they are trying to make profit on the back of others? Yes, can it be something else? Yes.
Somehow I managed to work enough hours in college to afford both food and rent. Imagine that.
There is more than one country on Earth, different regions within a county may offer different number of available jobs and some people have different capabilities due to health issues. Imagine that.
but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money.
Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor. Poor people often don’t have enough money. Still sounds like a job of desperation.
Desperation to avoid getting a real, legal job, maybe.
Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor.
It is not. I’ve seen these scumbags’ subreddit, I’ve seen their Tumblr tags. They’re not poor, they’re just scumbag thieves.
An actual poor person stealing necessities because they have no other choice does NOT have this ridiculous entitled mindset.
“avoid”
It’s amazing, isn’t it, that there are people out there who think that poor people enjoy it for the benefits…
Please, everyone knows the vast majority of you thieves and those cheering them on aren’t even poor, you’re just immoral scumbags who feel entitled to the things you steal. I’ve seen the subreddit, I’ve seen the Tumblr tags. You’re not fooling me, trying to mix yourselves in with someone stealing because they have no other way to survive.
Very immoral, unlike those huge moral corporations who just want what’s best for everyone…
The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.
Please, cut the crap. I’ve seen the subreddit and the Tumblr tags, I know you thieves aren’t broke, and aren’t stealing necessities. And you guys can’t even help but expose yourselves anyway, unable to resist encouraging the theft of even high-end luxury items.
The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.
And then, of course, people like you will complain about the food desert that now exists in that area, completely unironically, because you’re just that far gone.
You believe in “welfare queens,” don’t you?
LOL I am out of microblog memes, seems like too many people here (for my taste at least) coming up with excuses to entirely forgive crimes no matter the context.
That’s the point of microblogging. You don’t have to think about what you’re upvoting for any longer than it takes to read a sentence.
When you’re bootlicking, do you prefer the texture or taste of the boot? Or do you like both equally? Genuinely curious
It’s amazing how ironic and reactionary this is :)
So it’s really more about the humiliation. Gotcha. Well, I don’t kinkshame, so you do you lol
PS: i did call someone a bootlicker recently after their unwavaring support for Zionism and after about 3-4 months into discussions with them after they showed blind loyalty to Israel (a country they are not even from)
But you are calling me a “bootlicker” for refusing to “break Nazi’s arms unprovoked and at random encounters to ‘keep the community clean’” and because I suggested that inflicting trauma on Nazis might cause them to be even more radicalized and cause more harm to the world… or in the case of this post here, you are calling me a bootlicker for wanting to report people who don’t even look poor to the police for robbing my local grocery store… dude. These absolutes are so fucking dumb… “I will report all thefts no matter what” is just bad as an absolute as “I will not report any”.
The only two people in my life who were actively shoplifting never needed to. They did it to “game the system”. I should of course not take this personal experience and derive sweeping conclusions from it. What people need is proper social wellfare so that they never have to shoplift and you never have to make a point about not reporting them.
Anyway, what I’m saying is that you’d be better off not being reactionary in your responses. I don’t know you, you don’t know me, but I think of you did, you wouldn’t call me a bootlicker or whatever else.
Both sides bad hurrdurrrrduhhhh 🤡
Only if you consider '“both sides” to be pushed all the way to the extreme, I guess.
Then I am definetely in the wrong place.
