First let me be clear: I’m not a crazy conspiracy person (…on this) I just don’t rely on a municipal well. As far as I know adding fluoride to the private well at my houses is not a thing, good or bad. I did drink municipal water for two years when I lived on campus in college.

That said, is fluoride a benefit to adults or just children?

When I was a kid I got fluoride treatments at the dentist, but then aged out. I’ve never had a cavity in forty years, but I’d like to keep it that way. Should I still be doing it?

Also no, I’m not using the internet as a substitute for a dentist, just my next dental appointment is in four months. TIA

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    The answer is yes. This is becoming another stupid culture war initiated by the right over something that is essentially settled science. Fluoride in the water supply is not just fine, it’s good for your teeth. I am not mad at you for asking this question. I am mad that this has become enough of an issue to sow this kind of doubt.

    We have data consisting of over half a century of literally every American who has drank from the tap - so the overwhelming majority of Americans - supporting it.

    Even if we conceded more research needed to be done, which I am not conceding because we know a lot about it already, then by now because of the sheer number of people who have consumed it regularly we would have evidence to the contrary. Which we don’t. Much like with how if the vaccines were as dangerous as anti-vaxxers claimed we would know by now due to the sheer population of people that have already had it in their system for years

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      Wow, that does sound political!

      Again, I’m not at all talking about additives to municipal water. That’s clearly good. Just since my houses don’t have it I’m curious if there’s a missed opportunity for better.

      Seems like “yes but small” given already using fluoridated toothpaste

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        Appreciate the cool head responding to me. I was probably a little more worried about subtext than I needed to be! I’ve just seen a massive surge in skepticism around fluoride lately and it has me concerned.

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        You can always add a fluoride mouthwash to your routine if you’re worried.

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    Everyone, even dogs benefit from fluoride in the water. It’s not just children. Virtually all toothpaste contains it too. Some groundwater sources also contain it naturally, some even above the recommended max level from health associations. So I’d say, document yourself with official sources. Test your well levels, then decide. Be mindful that regular consumption of soft drinks, processed foods and even air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.

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      Be mindful that … air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.

      Got any sources for that? My admittedly very brief search just turned up a bunch of stuff about ventilation and COVID/aerosols.

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          I understand that air conditioning removes some moisture from the air, but just how much of an effect does it actually have on oral moisture? I was hoping to find some sort of studies with actual measurements of some sort.

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      Thanks. The fluoride in the water itself is not directly relevant because I just don’t have it, but good evidence to raise the topic with my dentist as an adult. I definitely use fluoridated toothpaste.

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        Yeah, if it’s in toothpaste you’re getting enough.

        If you wanted to add fluoride like after you doing well treatment…

        I honestly don’t know if that’s a good idea, because who knows how evenly it’ll stay mixed correctly.

        Like. You may end up getting a shit ton of fluoride when there’s no rain and your wells low, then barely any when it fills up.

        Fluoride toothpaste is likely your best bet for consistent doses.

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          Makes sense. Even if its a thing I’d probably not keep up on it. My house filters have gotten embarrassingly full in my time

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            Yeah, I tell people I’m on well/septic even in a city because when this house was built it was before urban sprawl…

            And everyone immediately says how great it is that I don’t have to pay water/sewer.

            But like, I got to pump the septic, I got to service the well, I got to maintain the well pump and pressure tank, my garden hose has no pressure, have to keep up with water softener using a bunch of salt…

            I’m probably not even saving money. And it’s a lot of hassle.

            But it would be 10s of thousands of dollars to get it hooked up, and who knows if my 80 year old plumbing can sustain city water pressure.

            Not to mention if my electric goes out, so does my water.

            I’d 100% prefer city water, $20 a month ain’t shit.

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    My teeth were getting increasingly sensitive. I switched to a special toothpaste and it helped but only a little. my dentist started giving me annual fluoride treatments, similar to the ones I got as a kid, and that did the trick.

    My dentist says most Americans stop getting fluoride treatments at age 12 not because their adult teeth don’t benefit from it, but because our shitty insurance system simply doesn’t cover it as a preventative treatment. So with tooth pain, I have a diagnosis for which fluoride is a covered treatment.

    Obligatory “do your own research” and don’t listen to random internet stranger’s dentist’s claim.

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    Swede here. I’m a bit confused by the whole flouride thing in the US.

    We don’t add flouride in the water. At least not in amounts needed to get better tooth health.

    Almost everyone users toothpaste with fluoride. The concentration is 1000ppm in toothpaste for children (below 6 years of age) and 1450ppm in toothpaste for children (6 years and older) and grown-ups.

    We also used to have mandatory sessions with the “fluoride lady” in school. We all had to bring our toothbrush to school and got to dip it in a fluoride solution (mouthwash I presume) and brush our teeth while the fluoride lady pointed at a large scale model of teeth and gums. All kids were a little bit afraid of the fluoride ladies. I’m not sure if it’s still mandatory today, but I think a lot of schools (1st to 3rd grade maybe?) still has this on the schedule once a year.

    Sweden has got a history of focus on tooth health since we have cheap healthcare (was free 50 years ago. Times are harder now so we pay $10-$13 per night at a hospital. Life is so hard! 😉) and bad tooth health is the cause of a lot of other health issues. Which in the end would cost our state medical insurance a lot more than fixing tooth health.

    For the one with waaaaat too much time on their hands, Sweden has done some pretty dark shit in the name of “for the greater good”. Google a documentary about the Vipeholm experiments if you want to know more about one of the reasons to how the world knows so much about tooth decay.

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    Here in Germany, fluoride is mandated by law to be added to table salt, so I assume it is good to have in general.

    However, regular toothpaste as well as many mouthwashes contain fluoride. In particular, they can contain a much higher dosis, because you spit it back out, so if you’re worried about your teeth, these are definitely the way to go.

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      Here in Germany, fluoride is mandated by law to be added to table salt, so I assume it is good to have in general.

      Isn’t that iodine?

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        Both exists, and salt can have both. Fluor in the salt is quite specific to Germany and a few other countries though.

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      Very interesting! I’ve never heard of adding fluoride to table salt, but I can’t see why not!

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        You can also find table salt with folic acid (vitamin B9) here, and apparently sometimes also with selenium.

        And yeah, quite interesting to me, too, to read up on this. I always thought, table salt is NaCl + the legally mandated additives. I guess, they do throw in these additives to give themselves a unique selling point.
        And that works for me. Will look out for table salt with iodine, fluoride and folic acid on my next shop visit.

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    Yes, the benefit doesn’t vary by age. Flouridated water prevents cavities throughout your life.

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      Thanks

      Fluoridated water just isn’t an option for me but I can ask my dentist about options beyond fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash.

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    Yes, keep using toothpaste with flouride.

    I tried toothpaste without flouride. It hurt my teeth after weeks (i.e: i also heavy drinking sweet drink like pepsi and snack at night, At night, I brush my teeth always before sleep or after snack.).

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      I did as well. Same symptoms and on my next dentist visit, the dentist had noticed my sensitivity. Back to flouride tooth paste. I switched mainly because I wanted a tooth paste that was in a refillable container or used less plastic. Alas, I have to pick my health as a priority over helping the environment.

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        Next time you get your teeth cleaned at the dentist, which you should be doing every 6 months or so, ask them to give you a fluoride treatment. They literally just brush this minty sweet stuff onto your teeth and let it sit for 5 or 10 minutes.

        The fluoride will leech into your teeth and help reinforce any weak spots to decrease the likelihood of developing cavities.

        I mean, if you’re a conspiracy theorist then in theory it will calcify your third eye as well, but I have no way of verifying that claim, or even proving that the third eye exists other than the pineal gland in your brain, and I’ve never heard of anyone’s pineal gland being calcified.

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          In addition to calcifying your third eye, also be wary of those darn women trying to steal your fluoridated, erm, essence.

          Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children’s ice cream!..You know when fluoridation began?..1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love… Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I - I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake…but I do deny them my essence.

          • Ripper, in the film Dr. Strangleove
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      I went for years without fluoride. I preferred the flavor and how my mouth felt with the more “natural” ones. Now I switch back and forth, but still avoid Colgate, crest, etc.

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    The scientific concensus is certainly ‘Yes’, but my own personal experience backs that up. I struggled with cavities well into my 30s, especially while at college where I mostly drank distilled water I bought in jugs at the grocery store (the local water supply had frequent issues I was trying to avoid). At some point, my dentist put me on a high-fluoride toothpaste, and the cavities basically stopped. The extra fluoride seems to have a definitive effect for me.

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      Too late now but I don’t think you’re supposed to drink distilled water. It lacks the minerals your teeth and body need.

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        It’s worse than that, RODI water as it is just pure H2O it’s desperate to bond to anything it can so it grabs minerals from your body as it passes through.

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          You don’t drink it straight, you make coffee with it. That extra grabby power passing through coffee grounds makes a noticeable difference.

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              Unpublished Data from when I worked summers in a lab for grad students disagrees with Google.

              We tested distilled, RO, DI versus tap water. We were going to see about the double-distilled water but the supervising professor caught us. Apparently “That shit was too expensive for your shenanigans!”

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            Yes, sticking stuff in it makes it work, you can even get mineralising powders that put the minerals back in so say you don’t trust or like your tap water you can filter everything out and put the stuff you do like in

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          It sounds like it would be good to drink a glass or so every week just to help prevent kidney stones right? Or am I Way off the Mark here. I feel like I’m way off the Mark here, but somebody please confirm if I am not off the mark okay?

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            No, it pulls everything out of your system and causes deficiencies. It shouldn’t be drunk at all.

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              There’s a limit to what it can pull though, right? If you have excess minerals in your body, it seems it would help eliminate them, kind of like chelation, right?

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    I grew up in a house with well water, no fluoride. I’ve had a million cavities, and my dentist suggested that was a contributing factor, although certainly diet and genetics are too.

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      Also, wish I had a link to the article, but I was reading about how whether you “have” a cavity depends on your dentist’s interpretation of the x-rays and their philosophy about treatment. Some dentists will see a light area and say “let’s fill that before it gets worse” and others will note it and see how things develop. It was actually pretty alarming because sounds like professional standards for dentistry are looser than some other areas of medicine, and the description rang true for some of the dentists I’ve seen.

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        This is definitely a thing. I mentioned no cavities, but I have had some “slight decalcification we might want to address before it gets worse” that then got better on their own.

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          Yeah, I would much prefer if someone framed it that way than “you have decay, let’s schedule an appointment for a filling”

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        It’s notable that medical journals went evidence based in the 70s but only some dental journals made the same switch.

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          I started when I was 5 and probably stopped when I was old enough to forget taking them and not be reminded to, probably around 16 or so.

          I don’t recall to be honest.

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      Yeah, I think that’s why my dentist gave me fluoride treatments as a child. Have you gotten any as an adult?

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        I think I had one treatment as an adult. But a dental hygienist recommended rinsing every night with the purple Listerine that has fluoride in it, which… hasn’t hurt? I think it’s doing the trick and I haven’t had more cavities since, but of course couldn’t say for sure if that’s why.

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    This is the wrong question.

    You should be asking, “While flouride helps other people, does it hurt me or is it all-good?”

    Because, really, that’s the only part that matters.

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      Not really. Since it isn’t in my well no matter what I do, the effects of fluoride in water aren’t relevant to my question.

      But the consensus in the comments is that fluoride in my toothpaste and maybe mouthwash is sufficient, and having fluoride treatments as a child but not as an adult makes sense.

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    Do you even know how much fluoride is in your water? Sometimes it’s naturally high, that’s how they figured out it was good for your teeth.

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    Chances are unless you’re actively trying to avoid it the toothpaste you use has it already. I’m not aware of any particular benefits or detriments to having it in the water supply versus the more direct application route.

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      Think poor and homeless. It’s to catch the ones that fall through the cracks. It’s not much, but it’s something.

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    For a municipal supply it’s worth the effort, it improves oral health for a whole community at the cost of some fluoride and a dosimeter. For a private supply it’s not worth it. Fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash will give you a good dose of fluoride.

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    I’ve never heard of floride treating a well. But wouldn’t it be better to add floride after the filter etc, for more consistent dosage?

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      I would think so. I use fluoridated toothpaste, and another commenter recommended fluoridated mouthwash.

      Seems like the answer is yes and I’ll be discussing it with my dentist.

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    There’s a Sawbones episode on fluoride and its effects on teeth (and why it’s good for you), if you like to be educated and entertained at the same time, I highly recommend listening to it! Great podcast.

    And yes, fluoride is good for adult teeth, too.