I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
What about Skype though?
/s
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
Yeah. Just implement an IP whitelist.
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
Yah… That used to be me… I try to keep in touch, dip my toe in the pool every year or so, go to the conventions and such. Almost 10 years ago I wrote my alliances auth system in Ruby on Rails, included those identicons you see as the old default profile pictures on github as the avatars on the internal forum and you couldent change then. The reason for this was that the token for the icon was your name and the posters mashed together so if a screenshot leaked we could reverse lookup who said what.
We never actually caught any spies with that, but that was the level of paranoia and planning that went into a crappy mid-sized group, in the game of today there are actual armies of 10k angry nerds. They are much more casual about it though, which is healthier for the players.
Me who started with Roger Wilco: •.• >.>
Still need it for arma’s radio mods
My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
Nah bro that’s just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application
Memory is cheap nowadays, so that’s a feature /s
I bought the whole RAM, I’m gonna use the whole RAM
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Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.
If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app
just for ARMA stuff, like ACRE
That TS integration plugin was sooo good
people will come back if the bloat/ad-trend of discord continues… hopefully?
nah I’ll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I’ll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
Are there modded clients for mobile?
Yes. Aliucord is stuck in the past BUT is running the NATIVE version of the app (not the shitty slow electron one).
Vendetta Manager, discontinued but there is a fork that works. Up to date with discord.
Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?
vencord, hands down best modding client for the job. Just browse their catalog of avalabile plugins and get yourself a better experience ;D
✋ paying for discord nitro
👉👉 paying your favorite client mod dev
Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you’d recommend?
As long as you’re on discord, privacy is just not a thing. However, there was this 1 plugin i really liked, called File Name Randomizer or something along those lines. It would just rename any image you upload to the platform to someone generic. Other than that, there’s the disabled telemetry that some clients come with, but that’s the extent of what I know.
It seems many don’t remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.
Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I’ll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.
Don’t you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That’s a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it’s a service model so you’re dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
At some point, monetization will take over.
I don’t think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
Fair point, but if you need to switch anyway you might want to pick an available option that solves at least the issue being currently faced.
The again, we’ve moved back a lot to throw away mentality.
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Revolt should be next in the cycle
I’m absolutely still using teamspeak. Nice and light, and it let’s us run a soundboard plugin that let’s you have unlimited length audio clips. I just wish they’d update the plugin to support the 64-bit version.
Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
Very pathetic in any other scenario though.
Mumble is super popular with EVE Online players still, no? Because of the support for a large number of users in a single room
Yep, Mumble is the most common, and there are still a couple groups that use Teamspeak.
Discord caps at 100 people in a call while I’ve seen good Mumble servers handle over 800.
For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS
I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.
Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.
Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.
teams peak real
twins peak
Also supports positional audio which was very cool wheb first introduced for voip
Can confirm. Goonswarm still needs Mumble because we have thousands of players that need to listen to the weekly fireside.
The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don’t think that’s unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
Where else are you going to suck balls… All day… Because you like it so much?
A lot of WoW people used vent and so people just used what they were used to
Vent was super lightweight, and easy to use. It’s why it lasted so long.
I had completely forgotten about Ventrilo, Team Speak, and Mumble. This whole post is a blast from the past.
Yea last vent server I ran was like 10+ years ago now… maybe even longer.
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA…
it’s gonna be stuck in my head all day now
oh man, you’ve gotten it stuck in my head too!
I hear you man
I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
how is discord malware?
Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
That’s not malware, that’s just a bad product
hyperbole, ever heard about it?
Can you use it in a sentence?
“Discord is bad product, hyperbolically said, it works like a malware.”
I am sorry but I was not paying attention, could you repeat that?
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Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
They’re called direct messages, not private messages. They’re not tricking anyone into thinking anything lmao
No, but the entire point of renaming Private Messages to Direct Messages was exclusively so people would have the mindset you do.
Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.
Actually I am not younger, DM’s had always been Private Messages to me up until Facebook/MySpace and more people began flocking to the internet.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.
You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
I have never been under the impression PMs were unreadable by the people operating the service I send them on.
Neither have I. Generally if I want the impression of it being private, it will need to be encrypted and a whole skew of other criteria comes in. Still doesn’t change the fact that growing up they were referred to as “PM’s” for the first half of my life.
The “servers” are actually called “guilds” in the API.
Servers are just a marketing term
They’re called servers in the UI though. Also, confusingly, there is a new feature coming called guilds.
Isn’t TeamSpeak proprietary though?
Yes, but free
If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
So you’re just trusting them to not do anything bad?
I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.
How often you read the source codes of your tool?
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
If you can trust them not to do anything bad then they can trust you with the source
Used teamspeak untill me and my crew switched to mumble. They all use discord now though so fuck the traitors.
Been on mumble over a decade, I can’t imagine why anyone would want to use discord. Although there’s something fishy about mumble.com
Only a matter of time before Discord does a Reddit.
Pretty sure they have already started. There’s been controversy with discord doing shit in the past that was leaning that way.
Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
would recommend trying out mumble, it’s pretty slick.
Does mumble integrate with Element?
I didn’t try yet but there are guides.
There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn’t integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
Those are text bridges though are they not?
no reason you couldn’t implement a voice bridge either, both have open communication standards. There’s existing bots/libs out there for similar things already. Probably wouldn’t even be all that hard to implement.
Didn’t know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
Have to test it but guides suggest that it’s possible
Multiplay.co.uk stopped offering servers, and Discord was all new, bright and shiny so we switched to Disc. Was sad to see it go tbh
Team skeet moment
