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    6 months ago

    I don’t know if trying to recruit 4channers is a bottom of the barrel scraping, or just a clear view of how they see every recruit.

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            Car mechanic? Nah. Maybe reading many articles from internet and watching many videos can somewhat help with theory, but not with pranctice and foundational knowledge. Well, maybe you can get foundational knowledge if you follow what people learn in colleges, but then getting on budget is probably easier. Practice still would be a problem.

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        Yes. More often than you think. If you can tell a 1/2 inch wrench from a pair of pliers you are already ahead of some applicants.

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        6 months ago

        I have a buddy who went from smoking crack to making more money than me in a year working as a mechanic being trained basically from scratch. Now that’s obviously anecdotal but it does happen.

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          The ASVAB tests for aptitude, hence the name, not the ability to step into a job without training. Looks up practice questions for the Mechanical Comprehension portion to see the kinds of questions that might suggest someone could be a good mechanic.

          The U.S. army absolutely does provide training to its mechanics, and does not assume people know jack shit coming in. I scored high enough on the MM portion of the ASVAB to be one and don’t don’t know a damn thing about fixing vehicles.

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          My parents didn’t let me or my sister to go to school on the ASVAB test day. They didn’t want recruiters contacting them constanty.

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            Wait. Some school districts actually have everyone take this by default? Our public schools kept the recruiters in a dark corner of an unused hallway behind the library and you had to actually go out of your way to talk to one to make an appointment for ASVAB testing

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            That’s probably for the best.

            I spent 4 years in the USMC and have a very complicated relationship with my time enlisted. There is a lot I’m proud of, but there’s also a lot that would be nice to forget.

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              Did you file with the VA? If not, you need to. Get all the benefits possible.

              I filed three times after getting out, got a lot of “we lost it, file again! Haha!” I told myself since all my limbs are attached, didn’t deserve anything. Someone finally convinced me otherwise and now I get a little extra every month as well as being able to go to the VA for routine stuff.

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            Some portions of the ASVAB have questions very similar to those you might find on an IQ test, but it is much more broad than just IQ.

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        You get a job as an oil tech sweeping floors and if you aren’t an idiot, you will learn on the job and study. Eventually you take the ASE certification tests and are then a mechanic. If you are looking to get into a performance shop, this is the best route to go because you will learn specialty knowledge and can eventually be paid well, but those jobs are hard to get and you have to really make an effort and put up with a lot of shit to get to a great place in your career.

        You can do college courses to get a degree and then pass ASE certs. You can then get a job in a shop and will have to prove you aren’t just someone who can pass a test before you are actually a mechanic.

        There are trade schools, which you can get scholarships for or be sponsored to go to. The sponsorships usually come from working in a dealer shop, some sponsorships are for secondary trade schooling(like diesel tech) and they pay for the secondary schooling and will give you a job for a certain number of years after under contract. I know a few people who had Ford pay for their diesel program, one is doing really well for himself and the other failed out because of a girl and was on the hook for thousands to pay back Ford.

        If you want to make great money, you will have to work for 5+ years in an Audi dealer and then can try to work for an exotic car dealership. You can work for an exotic dealer with experience from a brand like Toyota with a degree or the right trade school, but you are less likely to get the job.

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      Idk man, friend of mine works as a mechanic for the airforce and makes ~78k/yr, gets a large housing bonus, and has access to military loans that have really good terms, comparatively.

      Ignoring the whole military lifestyle bs that he has to go through, it’s not that bad for someone who really doesn’t know what to do with themselves.

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        The US army uses basic socialist policies (we will help you if you’re dying from cancer etc) to recruit. It only works because the US state refuses to take care of its subjects. The moment people are no longer desperate, the recruitment numbers will fall.

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          No kidding, wish we would just develop these policies for everyone, not just military service.

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          Except if you get cancer while in they medically discharge you and leave you with nothing. “Go file with the VA!”

          I was in for ten years and saw it happen multiple times.

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            I heard people got respiratory cancers specifically from being in the military and having been instructed to burn piles of trash without proper safety equipment.

            And then they got discharged, fucked over sideways by the VA, and died. Welp.

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              The VA has to process the claim, and in the meantime you get no medical treatment for anything.

              Let’s use the cancer. You are in, a fine soldier, and get diagnosed with cancer. Not only do you now lose your job, but you lose your entire life and support system. You instantly lose your house, medical coverage, and source of income. All of it is gone immediately along with any plans for retirement.

              You now go home, your wife has also left you because you are now a shitbum with cancer, and owe $2000/mo in child support based on military income and you have no means to pay it. You file with the VA to get your cancer taken care of and are told it may be 12-36 months before it’s processed.

              You get a minimum wage job since civilian employers don’t care about military experience. Most of your check is garnished for child support but still isn’t enough so you lose your driver’s license. You cannot pay rent so apply for homeless veteran housing which has a ten year waitlist. So you are now homeless and working, slowly dying of cancer on the sidewalk. You try to get help at a hospital, but since you are a veteran they say “VA has got you”.

              There you lay, rotting from the inside, wondering how it all went wrong when only two months ago you were counseling soldiers on why they shouldn’t buy cars at 29% interest and to make better life choices. Yes, this exact scenario plays out all the goddamn time.

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        I just looked at the enlisted pay table charts. Unless he lives somewhere with high COLA payments and has kids, he probably isn’t making 78k/yr.

        If there is one thing we love in the military, it’s telling big fish stories.

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          He doesn’t work on aircraft. He works on other vehicles needed on base. Much of his income isn’t taxable, so he effectively brings home more than average. Not to mention Healthcare is paid for, even if it’s not that great.

          The “having to live wherever they want” part is a non issue for some people anyway. Though I agree I would see that as a significant con.

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    6 months ago

    People getting wise to the military. Many would defend their country, but don’t want to die for an oil company to make an extra thousand. Guessing which is more likely is left as an exercise for the reader.

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          I mean listen if the army wants to help my anti fascist organizing I’ll take a missile launcher to stand against the proud boys. They really won’t be ready for me to bring a tank to pride

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        And the good thing is you’ll have plenty of warning because your government is unlikely to join the war against the nazis for a good couple of years into the war against the nazis.

        I jest…but kinda not really given current US foreign policy (or that of the past 100yrs tbh)

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        “… til then I’m good at home.” Funny, that’s most likely where you’ll have to kill some Nazis next.

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    Be on site military contractor

    Told I’ll be making infinitemoney.jpg

    Actually make slightlymorethangs.jpg but with no pension

    Tfw ptsd from analyzing combat footage

    Tfw actively and daily shunned as “not one of us, just a dirty filthy contractor”

    Tfw you can’t get another engineering job because your entire portfolio is classified

    Tfw when there is no mental health support or support groups available for aforementioned “just a dirty filthy contractor” reasons

    Decide to go back to college instead of killing self

    Check brand new school email

    “Hi, my name is Sgt Fuckface! Here at the national guard we’re looking for promising young graduates like you”

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      Tfw you can’t get another engineering job because your entire portfolio is classified

      I once got a “redacted” resume from someone who used to work in defense. Basically they just had a bunch of line items like

      • Developed back-end for ████████████████████ in Spring microservices, which is deployed in ██████████████████ used by ██████████ operations daily

      It got the point across about their skills and honestly they got an interview from it

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        I used to work for a company that contracted out programmers to a defense contractor (Northrup Grumman). It honestly never even occurred to me to redact out the stuff I worked on when I put it in my resume. Nobody said anything about that when I left the company, even though I’d gotten a security clearance to work at NG in the first place. I wonder if your “redacted” person just did it themselves to create a sense of mystery.

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      The way you get around it is discussing what is possible in person. You write a few bullets about your skills but not tied to the contracting. Don’t be specific, it’s not needed.

      I don’t even put my military stuff on resumes anymore.

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    6 months ago

    I mean it’s obviously total bullshit as is, but the fucking link at the bottom really seals the deal… I’m totally convinced now…

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    hey man… recruiting’s fucking hard. it’s harder than ever for them to make their numbers. I feel bad for 'em because it’s fucking hopeless. but also, fuck recruiters lol, because when they stop giving fucks, you end up with someone really neet on your squad

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      I hate recruiters because they encourage naive teenagers to become professional killers at an age and level of experience where they cannot understand what that means.

      Half the point of basic training is to break or subvert the part of the brain that questions authority and objects to doing violence. Psychologically, humans are not designed for killing other humans. Taking a life is difficult for a good fucking reason, and bypassing that instinct is dangerous.

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        Half the point of basic training is to break or subvert the part of the brain that questions authority and objects to doing violence. Psychologically, humans are not designed for killing other humans. Taking a life is difficult for a good fucking reason, and bypassing that instinct is dangerous.

        Valid point. I do worry, though, without the training you describe - which I went through - is reverting to pre-ww2 training where soldiers would freeze up in combat instead of reverting to their training (hopefully). At the end of the day, soldiers are trained for combat, and I wouldn’t want to put people into those situations without as realistic a training regime as we can devise; you train as you fight so you don’t have to sacrifice soldiers to gain the proficiency to operate in a combat environment.

        Ideally we’d get rid of war.

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          Yeah, I agree, if you’re actually taking a life. If there’s a Hitler on the loose, then teach the soldiers to kill without remorse. But why exactly is the US spending the same amount of money as the next 9 countries put together in peacetime? Most soldiers won’t take a life, and the ones who do are doing something pointless and evil. Why are we breaking young people’s minds in a time of peace?

          And y’all actually do have two pretty good reasons for war right now, those being the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Israeli genocide of Palestine. What’s the point in having all those trained killers if you’re not gonna use them, and if you’re not gonna bother going to war for actual good reasons why bother training all those killers?

          There was a good reason to break young people back when they had to go fight the Nazis. What’s the point now??

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            Why are we breaking young people’s minds in a time of peace?

            Because if there is no military, we can’t bully anyone or they’ll just invade us.

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            let me check the big book of answers for impossible questions…

            uh, you know, it says here: jack shit.

            but thanks for turning an attempt at dialogue into whatever this was.

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      How so? Is it a flat out lie, or are there costs associated with BCT?

      Very funny either way, as I was thinking about signing on as a last ditch effort to set myself up a few years ago, but I ended up getting forklift certification and a CDL, and have been doing just fine since.

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        I know that when I joined up in 1997 a lot of those bonuses simply disappeared if you didn’t keep ahold of your original paperwork. Sometimes they had a lot of hidden clauses, so you could lose the bonus for a minor infraction. Or, the bonus was really part of your pay and the full amount would be paid out after if you actually completed 8 years instead of the 2-4 year commitment you started on.

        All I know is I personally ended up permanently disabled at 18 and fought with the VA until 2019 to get my disability compensation. Which they only paid me back pay from 2009 instead of from the date of disability in 1997.

        Getting money from the government takes a long time. The people downwind of the Atomic test sites have been fighting 50+ years for the full payments from being irradiated during the 50’s.

        But hey, joining the military is a good job if you aren’t stupid and taking a combat MOS when you could have a steady non-combat job with perks. Right now the Commissary benefits for cheap food is worth it with how food prices have been going.

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          Yeah, it’s shit that they backdate stuff from your intent to file date. There was a lawsuit that made it to SCOTUS about equitable tolling, and to everyone’s non-surprise all nine judges voted against it. Can’t give a bunch of vets a windfall, need to keep up poor.

          When I got out, I filed three times and every time it was “lost”. Sorry, dude, file again. Hahaha fuck you!

          Was convinced to file again during Covid and the process had completely changed. Was all digital, no more lost paperwork. Took almost two years, got it all sorted out

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          Were you in the guard? I know the Guard went through a couple different signing bonus scandals back in the day, but I haven’t ever heard of the same for active duty.

          I think the recruiters have a lot more leeway and control over Guard recruits, since they’re all mostly operated at the state level. I know in the 90’s in California the recruiters were basically just stealing enlistment and reenlistment bonuses.

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      They forget to pay you as well? That was fun for me.

      Mine was supposed to pay out after basic, then in two additional 1/3 installments. I got the first one, the other two never hit my account. Was told “that’s just how it is, soldier. Good luck finding someone who can make it right.”

      This was from an O5 in the IG’s office.

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    On one hand this is totally just an ad. On the other hand being a suicidal neet is not sustainable.

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      On the third, radioactive hand, there are 15000 ways to not be a suicidal neet that don’t involve being a shill for the orphan (and adult) crushing machine

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    How do you be a NEET?

    Do you live with your parents and they just don’t give a shit? or is it more of a trust fund kid thing.

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    > be in military
    > get inconsolable trauma and my legs blown off for oil company
    > end up homeless anyways and die of a drug overdose

    God, I love this country. USA! USA!