I beg you, if you are a developer of an open source app or program - add screenshots of your app to the README file. When looking for the perfect app, I had to install dozens of them just to see what the user interface looked like and whether it suits me. This will allow users to decide if the app they choose will suit them… Please, don’t think about it, just do it…
Dear open source app user: feel free to improve the README file of the projects you come across by adding a few screenshots you believe are relevant.
Although I understand the OP’s perspective open-source is a community effort and people should have a more proactive attitude and contribute when they feel things aren’t okay. Most open-source developers aren’t focused / don’t have time for how things look (or at least not on the beginning). If you’re a regular user and you can spend an hour taking a bunch of screenshots and improving a readme you’ll be making more for the future the project that you might think.
When the last big Twitter migration to Mastodon occurred there were a lot new users complaining about things like documentation, bugs, etc. Old users and FLOSS supporters kept pushing the “its open source, write a doc or fill out a bug ticket” and evem included documentation on how to do those tasks.
Most people just continued to complain. /facepalm
We just don’t live in a world where making the changes you want are encouraged. We have been thought to just accept whatever changes happen or at most file a suggestion that almost noone will listen to. Obviously open source is different but it’s still such a tiny minority compared to how the rest of the world functions
The big difference here is there is already this “learning curve” about the whole fediverse that people were struggling with that many of us wrote blog posts and had toot chains we’d forward explaining how this universe works. Adding in links and screen shots and templates for how to submit a bug…
…I hate saying this but the vast majority of people are just lazy. It’s not a culture issue or not something too difficult. People like to complain and not put in effort to things. People expect others to do things for them and don’t get that free comes with a cost.
FOSS isn’t really that small, it’s just that most people don’t do any type of investigation into what they use for technology. Much of what you use may have a for-profit company in front of it but huge parts of their products are open source andnyou can directly influence the products by actually engaging the projects themselves.
Yeah people are very much lazy and that’s fine, you just have to work around that and well culture is one way of getting people to do what should be done.
As you say Foss does impact quite a lot of those company products however what is the important part of the casual user is what and how they interact directly with the products and well at no point are they expected to directly impact the project, it’s just you use what you are given. That is why they have that people will do things for me mindset bc that is what happens with almost everything the use
This is good advice, but having a screenie there in the first place might make someone more likely to try it out.
This mentality explains a lot of open source.
Yeah, and please have EASY setup instructions or complied binaries.
Why is your name red?
Site mod, I mostly do the infra tho ❤️
So… can you unblock [email protected] and [email protected] so we can have free speech again? https://lemmy.world/post/3193108
If the app sucks, few people will add the screenshots. Therefore, most apps without screenshots will suck. So new apps will need the developer to add screenshots, or people will assume it sucks.
And we’re back to square one. The developer has extra responsibility to highlight the features.
One thing though: I’m likely not to stop and consider looking closer at an app if I can’t judge if it’s going to be what I’m looking for. I’m not going to go over random GitHub repositories and create screenshots for their projects. So if the assumption is that the user contributes screenshots I don’t think it will ever change anything for the majority of projects.
As both user and developer - user CAN contribute but the developer/maintainer SHOULD add the screenshots.
There’s both an ignorance and fear barrier to that.
A lot of people don’t know they can, and don’t know how. And even the ones that do know, often worry their contributions would be shit.
And there’s folks that just don’t think the project would accept that kind of submission.
I’m not contradicting your suggestion! It’s a great thing to let people know that they can contribute without knowing how to code. Just adding in both an explanation as to why it’s so rare, and hopefully allaying some of those worries for passersby.
What if I do a PR for a program that isn’t even related to Linux and Linus still sniffs it out to tell me I’m a dingus :(
I think it depends on the project. Some projects are the author’s personal tools that they’ve put online in the off-chance it will be useful to others, not projects they are really trying to promote.
I don’t think we should expect that authors of repos go too out of their way in those cases as the alternative would just be not to publish them at all.
Totally agree
NGL I actually didn’t know that I can do such a thing. I do still kinda have a closed source mindset in that anything I use I cannot change or Influence. Like I knew that other people can do that but I didn’t know I can do that
Yeah, it’s a thing :)
I’ve only done it once, and it wasn’t pictures, it was rewriting a horrible section about how to install a program my cousin was trying to build. He abandoned it three months later, but still.
From what I’ve heard from people that code, it’s polite to approach whoever is maintaining the project before jumping in, and it makes sense so that nobody wastes resources on something that isn’t going to get used.
While we’re at it, I love that you let me customize the settings via a config, but for the love of god make the default config the best it can possibly be
I prefer the simple, sane defaults that work for everyone with a heavily commented config file giving detailed information on what each value for each option does, personally. Like MPV’s config file.
I haven’t even touched MPVs config file because I just assumed it would be empty like so much other software I use. Looks like I know what I’m doing tonight.
This. It should be the most sane configuration and fit most use cases and lead to an experience working out of the box.
I contribute to OS projects and work on one full time. EVERYBODY thinks that their obscure use case is the most common (not saying this is what you are doing).
We get users that are completely flabbergasted that our software doesn’t offer some feature that is totally specific to their industry and has never been requested even once by anyone else previously. We’ll show them our feature request form on our site where you can also view and upvote other requests, and point out that the feature they want has never been requested. They will literally come up with some bs excuse why that is and then insist that we get on it and build out this custom functionality that they need or else they’re going to slander us on social media.
Your app doesn’t integrate with “didLr”? OMG any decent app integrates with “didLr”!
I understand the developer POV too. It’s clear that getting the right config for most use cases is a UX problem, which may involve user studies, telemetry to be setup. Perhaps out of scope for most small scale individual projects.
Additionally, I also fully understand that many, if not most of these projects are hobby projects and expectations from users should align with the scope of the project and the resources committed. It’s so easy to feel entitled and deserving of high quality projects but they are so time consuming.
My comments were not for those projects but rather mature ones. And contributing to the projects is often the most appreciated way when proposing changes.
In all cases, for any free project, it is always acceptable to answer that something is out of scope, that resources don’t allow for the feature to be implemented or that additional help on implementing it are welcome.
People demanding something in exchange for nothing are obviously not the most welcome users :)
Krita and not having hotkeys ಠ_ಠ
There’s a real problem here with backwards compatibility. If you add an option for something, it makes sense to make the default match the functionality of old versions, even if it’s not the best for general use cases. That way any tools built on top of it can safely update.
Ding ding ding!
That said, the solution is to set new defaults for new installations only and not change existing configs. Users lose their minds (rightfully so) if you modify their existing configs.
Sometimes I’d settled for a simple description of what the tool even is. Sometimes the readme is just straight into compilation steps and I feel like we’re rushing into something.
A lot of documentation is like that.
Its terrible when the software is called some random word that has nothing to do with the programs functionality
I also hate it when it has a name that is a super common word or phrase. Our last 3 records management prograns at work have been like this, and their help fires are terrible to non existent. Good like trying to search the internet for information on the software with those common names. Even adding terms relevant to what the software does, didn’t help much.
(Apologies if this is terribly typed, I’ve got an impending migraine aura that stayed right as I hit reply and have lost a good chunk of my vision. I can’t see most of what I’m saying.)
Unrelated, but I used to get them often. I found one article about vitamin D deficiency as a potential cause, and figured, “what what hell”. Started taking 5000IU every day of the Swanson’s brand. It took a month or so, but I’ve been aura migraine free for months (still get migraines sometimes, but they’re MUCH less severe than they used to be and no auras). Ask your doctor first, in case you can’t take vitamin D, but it’s worth a try if it’s safe for you.
I actually know what causes most of mine, there are some nerves in my neck that get pinched/aggravated and trigger them. And for some reason, if I have multiple days in a row where I don’t get much sleep, those nerves get extra cranky. They are extra cranky right now.
I’m so so sorry! I guess, at lease, you know why. That’s something, right? Not really, but :shrug: seriously, I’m so sorry you’re going through that!
Foreplay is important! Gotta get me excited for that app.
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There’s an awful lot of comments in this post from people complaining that developers aren’t making their projects attractive and user friendly enough, or the READMEs descriptive enough.
Can I just say, as a developer with some open source projects on github, I don’t care; you’re not my intended audience.
I don’t care; you’re not my intended audience.That’s pretty ignorant
That’s quite an accusation. Can you elaborate further on that please.
No. (I don’t care; you’re not my intended audience.)
I find this unnecessarily derisive. There are good reasons for a UI or README not being user-friendly, the top-most one being (imo) that it is really, really hard to get right, takes a lot of time and doesn’t primarily solve the problem the project was started for.
You mean you think I’m being derisive? I think it’s important to remind people that not every open source dev shares their priorities, or indeed any interest whatsoever in whether other people use their code.
This whole post is filled with a really disappointing amount of entitlement and lack of self-awareness.
I think you generally can’t know if someone shared their code with the intention that others may use it, but it’s a reasonable assumption.
Hey, all you folks ought to get together and publish a guide to writing good FOSS documentation,
100% agree! I always get so frustrated when there are no screenshots in the README.md or on the site.
On github you can even paste your screenshot right from the clipboard. Zero excuses for not having a screenshot.
A README file is usually comprised of text.
Other than that - usually if it has a webpage, it has some screenshots.
README markdown files allow for inline image links to be “expanded”
Don’t forget to assume what works on macOS also will work fine on a Linux server deployment.
Or at least a demo site if it’s a web site or self hosted web based app 🥲
I wish there was a way to give more props to open-source repos that do this.
I already star the project. But I’d love to say “Thanks for making a demo page it really helped!”
Donations = props
While I get the sentiment, historically, readmes have been text only, and should predominately focus on usage options, not a sales pitch. Today in GitHub, these files support markdown, but the level of effort is probably two orders of magnitude higher than a text readme alone.
Think of a readme file on GitHub/distributed with the binary more as a man page than a proper website.
So why not add a ‘Screenshots’ section with hyperlinks to PNG files?
Or, hell, just add a “screenshots” folder to the repo and mention its existence in the readme.
The best solution is to create an issue and attach the pictures there. You can then link in README and not bloat the repository.
That’s a good point non-text shouldn’t be in the git tree, git-lfs is another solution for that though
If I clone the repo I expect everything to work, including the readme.
I mean, yes, it’s a little more effort, but I think you’re over playing how much effort is required. Writing a half decent readme is vastly easier than frankly any feature or bug fix. Taking a couple of notable screenshots is super easy. Writing docs is hard (I’ve written tons for large and complicated projects), but readmes are the easiest and including screenshots is really quite easy.
Everywhere supports markdown in readmes now. Literally everywhere I’ve ever hosted code. And markdown with links to images is perfectly fine even if viewed in plain text mode. They’ll just click the link and view the image standalone. I’ve done that plenty of times, too. Every editor (plus in-browser code hosts in plain text mode) makes it easy.
Who reads README’s anyway? Aren’t they like instruction manuals? You only read them once its broken? :) Or maybe i should start reading instruction manuals…
it’s the very first thing you see when you visit any project’s github page.
Nice! I can say i read important readme’s then :)
Bless you!
I appreciate your joke, I totally got if.
Mainly because my dad would do exactly that if he ever had to use github lol. I grew up watching him literally throw manuals aside, only to have me or my sister bring them back when he screwed up lol.
Lots of projects are on GitHub or similar repositories and the landing page is usually the readme file as rendered markdown.
You should open a PR. 🙂
No. ReadMe files should be concise, explicit, and text only. UI/UX screenshots can be part of the repo, wiki, or associated website but they shouldn’t be in the ReadMe.
If you don’t understand the software you’re installing from some rando stranger’s git repo then you shouldn’t install it. Period. Take the opportunity to learn more or use another tool.
Git repos are not app stores. The devs don’t owe you anything.
The vast majority of software in publicly accessible git repos are personal projects, hobbies, and one-off experiments.
Your relationship with the software and the devs that create and maintain it is your responsibility. Try talking to the devs, ask them questions, attempt to understand why they constructed their project in whatever specific way they have. You might make some new friends, or learn something really interesting. And if you encounter rudeness, hostility, or incompetence you’re free to move on, such is the nature of our ever-evolving open-source community.
We bring a lot of preconceived notions into the open-source / foss / software development space as we embark on our own journey of personal development. I try to always remember it’s the journey of discovery and the relationships we curate along the way that is the real prize.
For a lot of open source at the moment the root level readme is fundamentally the homepage too. It absolutely should include screenshots, maybe even a gif. If your software has a GUI or TUI it should follow that a concise visual will do more to explain it’s usage than a text document
README is usually a text file. While some platforms can now use markdown, that is nowhere near universal. So it might be better to ask for screenshots to be put on the website / wiki.
Not just a text file, a markdown file. And markdown has supported images since forever
README.txt will be a text file, README.md can be much more
GitHub and GitLab both support inserting images into your README.md. Here’s the syntax:
Just like obsidian.md
And Lemmy!
And anything that supports CommonMark. It’s even in the original Markdown
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README.md TODOAdded a readme, boss
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No, wait, it should be done according to https://github.com/matiassingers/awesome-readme
Grnrrth is a FOSS native qualitivate built with the Jot framework. It comfortably handles 2NUT, xrr, .gif, and any other Banbo hierarchies in a windowed, cross-system integrated module.
It’s like I’m in the readme of every project I’ve stumbled across from Google to a forum to GitHub pathway…
You’ve heard of adjective foods? Get ready for adjective software!
And that’s what having a stroke sounds like
