cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at [email protected]
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked [email protected].
If this is a problem for you, I’d suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn’t block it (such as lemm.ee).
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
This is basically why lemmy is a hassle. One shit gets blocked, you move and register then you learn these guys are alt-right or peddle child porn or some other bullshit and then you have to register again and again. It’s confusing and quite annoying.
Anyone who thought that a decentralized option (Lemmy or anything else) would ever have a serious chance at replacing a centralized option (such as Reddit) was always huffing ungodly amounts of copium. Stuff like this where the admins work for free and have very specific hard-ons for what they think they should allow is one of the many reasons it was never going to work.
And I say this as someone who has seriously tried using kbin/Lemmy for the past 2.5 months. I have found plenty of good stuff here, but I think I would have stopped already if LJ didn’t release sync, which has so far been the only thing that has made Lemmy bearable to use.
100% agree.
Serious question: what’s been stopping us from making a fully decentralized reddit, or social network in general?
Something that’s completely peer to peer based, where people themselves host the content they interact with, and have the freedom to hide whichever type of content THEY want?
Has it been purely a technical problem? Is there discourse on this concept?
That’s basically Lemmy though? Unfortunately, expecting non-technical people to host their own content and moderate their own experiences is too much work and not worth it or viable for most users. Reddit made it easy, and its user base was still tiny compared to the bigger social media platforms.
Lemmy is not peer to peer, it’s federated, which is a big difference.
Self hosting your content and moderating your own experience could be made super easy and trasparent, in theory, but I understand that actually implanting this kind of UX must not be an easy task. It does seem the only solution for a truly censorship free network tho.
It’s a technical set of problems.
What’s funny is truely distributed compute is totally possible today, thanks to a lot of work done in the blockchain community. Notice I said blockchain and not crypto, we don’t want the bullshit associated with that (coins, nfts etc). What we want is distributed compute and storage that can be read in a way that provides the same function as Reddit etc. Coupled with a good client experience like sync.
The biggest problem with that though is that blockchain that is truely distributed is slow by nature, because each block of data is distributed and validated to all nodes that host to keep consistency. And the larger a site becomes, the more data there is to store, and the more resource intensive verification becomes so therefore the nodes slowly gain a higher set of requirements.
So the middle ground is something like Lemmy. Where you can run your own instance, that talks to a wider federated network of instances where no one single entity can control the content.
In tech, a lot of the above is explained by a concept called CAP theorem. It’s a really interesting problem that has only really been solved by a few vendors (google spanner is a good one) but even then it doesn’t cover the distributed part.
Interesting, thanks for the insight.
Gee I wonder which website is your favorite
Some of the problems here keep me from fully embracing lemmy, but its a hard question. Some communities that I participate have no intentions of moving from Reddit, some had to move from Reddit and some have found new homes, either here or elsewhere.
I’m on sync, does it show? I mean, i already left (or at least think i have) lemmy.world. I’ll probably give lemmy a try, add few more instances internet recommends and really try to use it. If stuff like this continues, I’ll probably just delete sync and forget about lemmy completely.
You should probably add in a step where you stop to consider why there is a correlation between an instance refusing to block stuff and it’s admins being scumbags. If the entire Fediverse divides itself into people who disagree with your position on what should and shouldn’t be blocked and people who agree with your position but also have a bunch of awful beliefs you can’t support… Maybe you’re just fucking wrong on this one?
You realize i have no idea what the community is about, especially considering that I’m migrating from reddit. For me, and many others like me, lemmy is a great unknown where i register to everything or the instances i find out through a quick google search or reddit recommendation…
…only to use it for a few days and realize that i may have made a terrible mistake. Lemmy.world sounded to me like the important one to have - and then they make a carpet ban without considering the community. I don’t really care about piracy that much, but I agree on principle and find it mindblowing that a behemoth like reddit would have no issue with it, yet Lemmy.world trying to get as many reddit refugees shows that they will stop all discourse on a topic for fear of it spiralling. This shows that a big instance such as Lemmy.world is simply not ready for a large number of users.
I deleted lemmy.world. I left a comment for admins that will get me banned anyway having called them spineless. You are probably more versed in lemmy-verse than I (and probably many other new users) are, but understand that not everyone finds it easy. If I now have to keep migrating i will probably just delete lemmy completely.
Sounds like the Fediverse just isn’t for you, then. There’s a trade-off in using a decentralized platform instead of a walled garden like Reddit.
They only have to keep migrating because every time they join a new instance they either don’t agree with the admin’s approach to blocking content or they do but those admins tolerate intolerable content.
Presumably they’re leaving Reddit for a similar reason and will continue to have the exact same issue across any social media platforms until they find a way to resolve that issue. Either by accepting that seeking a highly permissive blocking policy will put them in the company of scumbags, or reassess whether they’re right about how relaxed they want the moderation of the spaces they inhabit to be.
Personally my take away in those circumstances would be, “hmm, seems like only scumbags share these beliefs with me. I’d better look much more carefully at those beliefs…” but we all need to choose our own paths…
My comment has nothing to do with how much you know about Lemmy.
Your claim is that you keep leaving spaces that have blocking policies you disagree with to find spaces that have blocking policies you agree with but are unhappy to keep finding that those spaces also support awful things.
My perspective is that maybe it’s not bad luck, maybe there’s just a correlation between not wanting to block stuff and being full of awful stuff. So rather then keep endlessly searching for somewhere that doesn’t believe in blocking things but somehow isn’t full of awful things, maybe you should reassess your position on things being blocked.
Completely understand this point of view. To me, it’s more of a strength but I do get why most people don’t want to be arsed with moving instances on occasion. I still prefer it to big corporations. By comparison, if that happened on reddit, you would have no option of just “moving to a new instance to access the content”. It’s just “sub’s gone, that’s it, set up your own website if you aren’t happy about it”.
In the end, I still see it as a win overall.