They can get to places via a car easier and not have to work getting to somewhere in a maze of smug pedestrians and bike riders. And decent societies with fair, good policies towards people with those issues give them places close to where they’re going an exclusive place to park via a tag/permit to park there.
What a fucking concept. Something you people don’t even think of at all because you’re ableist and privileged and believe everyone is just like you. Fascist.
So mobility scooters/electric wheelchairs don’t exist and no disabled person can ever ride a bike? And disabled people should be forced to buy a car (that is expensive) to do the most basic things (like going to the store or hospital)? And it’s easier to navigate around car traffic than people walking and biking?
Parking lots have special spots for people with mobility issues right up front. Can you stop lying to promote your nightmarish, dystopian anti-car future, you ableist pricks?
I’m sorry, but last time I checked, buses, trains, and planes didn’t go DIRECTLY TO THE PLACE YOU NEED TO GO. YOU HAVE TO GET OFF AND KEEP GOING TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION YOU NEED TO GET TO.
God fucking goddamn fucking shitlord fuck ass cuntlicking FUCK, you people never end with your bullshit that would stop if you took two goddamn SECONDS to think about what you’re saying and realize how laughably horrible it is. The problem is, you don’t care. You want people with mobility issues to suffer and not be able to participate in society. You ENJOY being hateful, elitist, ableist assholes. So yep. Fuck you. Fuck you and your goddamn hatred. You wanna take me down because I’m attacking you? Excuse the fuck out of me, who’s attacking who here? I’m the person that is being attacked by your very attitudes and words and trying to get the world to exclude us. Sound familiar? It’s racism and sexism all over again.
last time I checked, buses, trains, and planes didn’t go DIRECTLY TO THE PLACE YOU NEED TO GO. YOU HAVE TO GET OFF AND KEEP GOING TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION YOU NEED TO GET TO.
When you build a community around mass transit, these services do in fact drop you off directly at your destination.
Check out Terminal Tower in Cleveland, Ohio. A 52-story skyscraper built directly above the Cleveland Union Terminal. Penn Station, NY is directly across the street from Madison Square Garden and in the beating heart of the city’s largest shopping quarter. Transbay Transit Center in San Fransisco is surrounded by enormous apartment blocks. And these are in the states, where our transit networks generally suck.
Tokyo’s Metro has an entire in-built navigation system for the blind, with metro stops at some of the densest housing, retail, and business districts in the world. There is nowhere else in the world you would rather be wheelchair bound, sightless, or otherwise disabled.
The dirty secret about mass transit is that it encourages dense urban development. And, as a consequence, it reduces the total distance traveled from your front door to your destination. This, combined with large public municipal works friendly to disabled individuals, means you can leverage economies of scale in public investment rather than being forced to take up the entire burden of your disability on your own shoulders.
Elevators are the most efficient and disability friendly forms of mass transit. But they’re enormously expensive for individuals to build and maintain.
I’m the person that is being attacked by your very attitudes and words
If you feel attacked because I’m suggesting meaningful improvements to your quality of life, I have to question what your end goal is.
Are you sadistically inflicting misery upon yourself? Or are you simply burned out from all the individualized burdens of disability heaped upon the individual in a society that refuses to invest in high quality mass transit on a national scale?
Either way, I believe you’ve fallen to a kind of car-owner Stockholm Syndrome. Trapped in a machine that tortures you for so long you’ve lost sight of the scars.
Which of the two pictures show somewhere that is more accessible to someone using a wheelchair, the same accessibility aid that would allow them to access the shops themselves?
The one with level access, clearer visibility and without the risk of not being seen by a chunk of metal travelling at relative high speed or the one that has on street parking?
The one you can fucking drive a car up to. The road one isn’t perfect but at the very least they fucking tried. Needs more parking and handicap-reserved parking, but yeah, that one. Enjoy navigating all the way from wherever you get dropped off in your nightmare dystopia all the way there and back in a wheelchair or cane/walker (not everyone who has a disability is rich enough to own a damn motorized wheelchair – again, elitism on your part).
This isn’t a debate. This is fact. Just admit you’re wrong. This debate is over. Fuck your garbage, hateful, ableist attitudes. This isn’t politically motivated, this isn’t some troll, this is from someone with an actual disability and is tired of seeing these nightmare designed places I could never, EVER get to thanks to your idealistic bullshit designed for happy, healthy people.
Maybe one day when you’re old and start having a debilitating problem and can’t get to your fucking dystopian walking places any more, you’ll understand.
Used and hand-me-down cars exist. Getting a quality, usable chair is expensive.
Yes, this isn’t a debate because the debate is over. I won long ago by actual logic and reason and common sense, something you fucking ableists completely lack.
The only ones pushing an agenda is you hateful elitist ableist fucks. Holy fuck, it’s just a nightmare in our society now with christians, vegans, alt-right fuckwits, and you shitlords trying to push your fucking horrible lifestyle on people to make everyone’s life a living goddamn motherfucking hell.
My life is not a living hell. The fact that I’m too disabled to drive doesn’t cause me any problems except for the problems of a car dependent society. The problems you want to make worse for me. Because you’re an ableist.
No, your fucked up country that doesn’t prioritize access for disabled people like the USA (one of the only good things about this fucking country) is why disabled people can’t access those streets. And they still won’t be able to when your only means of transports plop disabled people blocks away at bus/train/etc stops nowhere close to whatever destination someone needs to get to. We have similar issues in a few places in major cities, but for the most part, with a car, you can drive up RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, park in spots SPECIFICALLY RESERVED FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, and have access that is as close to ideal as is possible for those with issues. Your fucking car-less future doesn’t have anything close to this.
And that, right there, is the end of this discussion. You cannot possibly deny or argue against this simple, common sense, logical conclusion. That’s it. All you can do now is think, learn, and work for a better future where people with disabilities have the dignity to go where they need to go without putting long, exhausting paths in their way. So yeah, it’s over, anti-car ablelist haters.
You’ve lost.
I’m done with you and anything else you have to say is just more whining and excuses because you want hate over compassion. And I won’t allow that.
We are literally omnivores and need meat to survive, you scatterbrained vegan. Plus I would love to see your horrified face when you find out how many animals are killed to harvest your precious vegetables.
Holy hell, this society is going down the fucking drain.
You fascist ableists will twist words wherever you can to make your fucking garbage nightmare society come true. Fuck you, you hateful shits. As someone with mobility issues, your fucking “utopia” is a goddamn nightmare. How about putting yourself in the shoes of someone with mobility issues (hint: being blind is a specific handicap, not a mobility issue, you lying prick) and imagine trying to get anywhere in your nightmare world?
Oh how awful, someone hating literal fucking fascist shitlords who openly mock people with severe mobility issues.
Do you fucking hear yourself? You don’t care, do you? You are sitting there laughing because you honestly don’t give one fuck for people less fortunate than you and your nightmarish future is basically weeding out people who aren’t perfect specimens of humanity. Holy fuck, you’re just evil. Go to hell.
Lol, the car brain on this one. People with disabilities get by fine in the Netherlands. In fact, they lead a way more fulfilling life because they get to be part of day to day life. If your disability is this severe, you’d need help anyway. There’s no way you can drive a car with a disability that bad. Go play in traffic, you seem to love it so much.
If you can’t get to where you need to go easily, how the fuck do they get to be part of day to day life? Ooops, yet another lie by the hateful ableists. Fuck off.
They park in the area 100-200m further away? And if they really just need something real quick, they drive to a mall? I have a feeling you are a bit… Dumb?
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People with wheelchairs can move better on the roads with cars?
Obviously. Harpoon any passing car, and off you go.
They can get to places via a car easier and not have to work getting to somewhere in a maze of smug pedestrians and bike riders. And decent societies with fair, good policies towards people with those issues give them places close to where they’re going an exclusive place to park via a tag/permit to park there.
What a fucking concept. Something you people don’t even think of at all because you’re ableist and privileged and believe everyone is just like you. Fascist.
So mobility scooters/electric wheelchairs don’t exist and no disabled person can ever ride a bike? And disabled people should be forced to buy a car (that is expensive) to do the most basic things (like going to the store or hospital)? And it’s easier to navigate around car traffic than people walking and biking?
Just shut the fuck up if you have no idea how being in pain every single day works, you ableist fuck.
builds impassable six lane highway through center of town
tears up all the sidewalks and floods the air with noxious vehicle exhaust
no public transit, you just need to put your vehicle on the other side of a half-acre wide parking lot and hoof it in the middle of the baking sun
Thank goodness we made all these improvements for the sake of people with mobility issues.
Parking lots have special spots for people with mobility issues right up front. Can you stop lying to promote your nightmarish, dystopian anti-car future, you ableist pricks?
You’re not going to believe this, but buses, trains, and planes also have special seating and services for people with mobility issues.
The big difference is that you don’t need to go out of pocket for your own bespoke mobility friendly automobile to use the bus.
Where did I lie? Show your work.
I’m sorry, but last time I checked, buses, trains, and planes didn’t go DIRECTLY TO THE PLACE YOU NEED TO GO. YOU HAVE TO GET OFF AND KEEP GOING TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION YOU NEED TO GET TO.
God fucking goddamn fucking shitlord fuck ass cuntlicking FUCK, you people never end with your bullshit that would stop if you took two goddamn SECONDS to think about what you’re saying and realize how laughably horrible it is. The problem is, you don’t care. You want people with mobility issues to suffer and not be able to participate in society. You ENJOY being hateful, elitist, ableist assholes. So yep. Fuck you. Fuck you and your goddamn hatred. You wanna take me down because I’m attacking you? Excuse the fuck out of me, who’s attacking who here? I’m the person that is being attacked by your very attitudes and words and trying to get the world to exclude us. Sound familiar? It’s racism and sexism all over again.
Go to hell.
When you build a community around mass transit, these services do in fact drop you off directly at your destination.
Check out Terminal Tower in Cleveland, Ohio. A 52-story skyscraper built directly above the Cleveland Union Terminal. Penn Station, NY is directly across the street from Madison Square Garden and in the beating heart of the city’s largest shopping quarter. Transbay Transit Center in San Fransisco is surrounded by enormous apartment blocks. And these are in the states, where our transit networks generally suck.
Tokyo’s Metro has an entire in-built navigation system for the blind, with metro stops at some of the densest housing, retail, and business districts in the world. There is nowhere else in the world you would rather be wheelchair bound, sightless, or otherwise disabled.
The dirty secret about mass transit is that it encourages dense urban development. And, as a consequence, it reduces the total distance traveled from your front door to your destination. This, combined with large public municipal works friendly to disabled individuals, means you can leverage economies of scale in public investment rather than being forced to take up the entire burden of your disability on your own shoulders.
Elevators are the most efficient and disability friendly forms of mass transit. But they’re enormously expensive for individuals to build and maintain.
If you feel attacked because I’m suggesting meaningful improvements to your quality of life, I have to question what your end goal is.
Are you sadistically inflicting misery upon yourself? Or are you simply burned out from all the individualized burdens of disability heaped upon the individual in a society that refuses to invest in high quality mass transit on a national scale?
Either way, I believe you’ve fallen to a kind of car-owner Stockholm Syndrome. Trapped in a machine that tortures you for so long you’ve lost sight of the scars.
I’m in Houston. Hell would be an improvement.
Which of the two pictures show somewhere that is more accessible to someone using a wheelchair, the same accessibility aid that would allow them to access the shops themselves?
The one with level access, clearer visibility and without the risk of not being seen by a chunk of metal travelling at relative high speed or the one that has on street parking?
The one you can fucking drive a car up to. The road one isn’t perfect but at the very least they fucking tried. Needs more parking and handicap-reserved parking, but yeah, that one. Enjoy navigating all the way from wherever you get dropped off in your nightmare dystopia all the way there and back in a wheelchair or cane/walker (not everyone who has a disability is rich enough to own a damn motorized wheelchair – again, elitism on your part).
This isn’t a debate. This is fact. Just admit you’re wrong. This debate is over. Fuck your garbage, hateful, ableist attitudes. This isn’t politically motivated, this isn’t some troll, this is from someone with an actual disability and is tired of seeing these nightmare designed places I could never, EVER get to thanks to your idealistic bullshit designed for happy, healthy people.
Maybe one day when you’re old and start having a debilitating problem and can’t get to your fucking dystopian walking places any more, you’ll understand.
You are the personification of a strawman argument
Not rich enough to buy a motorized wheelchair but still able to buy a fucking car?
I think there’s a price difference between a 3000€ wheelchair and a 24 000€ car, no?
Also:
Used and hand-me-down cars exist. Getting a quality, usable chair is expensive.
Yes, this isn’t a debate because the debate is over. I won long ago by actual logic and reason and common sense, something you fucking ableists completely lack.
Hey look, it’s someone using disabled people as their personal prop to push a political agenda that harms those same people
The only ones pushing an agenda is you hateful elitist ableist fucks. Holy fuck, it’s just a nightmare in our society now with christians, vegans, alt-right fuckwits, and you shitlords trying to push your fucking horrible lifestyle on people to make everyone’s life a living goddamn motherfucking hell.
My life is not a living hell. The fact that I’m too disabled to drive doesn’t cause me any problems except for the problems of a car dependent society. The problems you want to make worse for me. Because you’re an ableist.
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And now the ableist has gone mask off to yell at one of the very same disabled people they earlier claimed to be fighting for.
Fuck off! Cars are the sole reason actual disabled people can’t access streets like Oxford Street in Lodon.
No, your fucked up country that doesn’t prioritize access for disabled people like the USA (one of the only good things about this fucking country) is why disabled people can’t access those streets. And they still won’t be able to when your only means of transports plop disabled people blocks away at bus/train/etc stops nowhere close to whatever destination someone needs to get to. We have similar issues in a few places in major cities, but for the most part, with a car, you can drive up RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, park in spots SPECIFICALLY RESERVED FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, and have access that is as close to ideal as is possible for those with issues. Your fucking car-less future doesn’t have anything close to this.
And that, right there, is the end of this discussion. You cannot possibly deny or argue against this simple, common sense, logical conclusion. That’s it. All you can do now is think, learn, and work for a better future where people with disabilities have the dignity to go where they need to go without putting long, exhausting paths in their way. So yeah, it’s over, anti-car ablelist haters.
You’ve lost.
I’m done with you and anything else you have to say is just more whining and excuses because you want hate over compassion. And I won’t allow that.
There’s nothing to argue about here, you’re fucking dumb.
No, pretty sure it is because of stairs.
Making every building accessible by wheels is what cars are good at unfortinuately.
This confuses me. How do cars help people climb stairs?
How is veganism elitist? it’s trying to prevent mass slaughter and incredible suffering. Grow up and take reaponsibility.
We are literally omnivores and need meat to survive, you scatterbrained vegan. Plus I would love to see your horrified face when you find out how many animals are killed to harvest your precious vegetables.
Holy hell, this society is going down the fucking drain.
Tell me how a blind person can drive.
A blind person can live in the road taken in photo in this post.
You fascist ableists will twist words wherever you can to make your fucking garbage nightmare society come true. Fuck you, you hateful shits. As someone with mobility issues, your fucking “utopia” is a goddamn nightmare. How about putting yourself in the shoes of someone with mobility issues (hint: being blind is a specific handicap, not a mobility issue, you lying prick) and imagine trying to get anywhere in your nightmare world?
Fuck off.
Only one sounding hateful here is you.
Oh how awful, someone hating literal fucking fascist shitlords who openly mock people with severe mobility issues.
Do you fucking hear yourself? You don’t care, do you? You are sitting there laughing because you honestly don’t give one fuck for people less fortunate than you and your nightmarish future is basically weeding out people who aren’t perfect specimens of humanity. Holy fuck, you’re just evil. Go to hell.
*snicker*
Could you explain how this is less accessible? Is a mall less accessible because you can’t drive your car inside?
Cause that narrow-ass curb used to be very wheelchair accessible indeed.
Paris is a nightmare city for people with mobility issues.
Lol, the car brain on this one. People with disabilities get by fine in the Netherlands. In fact, they lead a way more fulfilling life because they get to be part of day to day life. If your disability is this severe, you’d need help anyway. There’s no way you can drive a car with a disability that bad. Go play in traffic, you seem to love it so much.
If you can’t get to where you need to go easily, how the fuck do they get to be part of day to day life? Ooops, yet another lie by the hateful ableists. Fuck off.
They park in the area 100-200m further away? And if they really just need something real quick, they drive to a mall? I have a feeling you are a bit… Dumb?
Yeah, good luck driving in London anyway.
Finally someone with a sincere and compassionate argument for car acess everywhere. Never heard that one before, great point!