Clarification Edit: for people who speak English natively and are learning a second language

  • Iunnrais@lemm.ee
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    20 days ago

    Learning a second language AND professionally teaching English to speakers of said language. English is not broken. English is actually much better than many alternatives. We don’t need to worry about noun gender. We don’t have to worry about tones. We have precise ways to indicate number and time. Formality levels are not baked into word construction. The pronunciation of words can generally be inferred from the spelling, despite learning this skill being a little complicated— but that complicated nature even has its usefulness.

    We rag on English, but it is by far not the worse out there, not even close. It’s just contempt for the familiar.

    • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      The pronunciation of words can generally be inferred from the spelling

      Definitely NOT. English is among the worst languages in that regard.

      • Dasus@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        This definitely.

        Exceptions on exceptions on exceptions, on top of grammar rules that vary based on what language the word you’re using was originally from, except even then you can’t know because it can be a word came to English from French even though it’s originally Latin and then the way the French pronounced it carries over to the English.

        As someone who’s native language is Finnish and you literally know how a word is pronounced when you see it. If you know how to use the phonetic alphabet, then you basically know how to pronounce Finnish. Compare English words and their IPA to Finnish words and their IPA:

        hevonen = [ˈheʋonen], hernekeitto = [ˈherneˌkːei̯tːo]

        VS English

        ‘geography’ = ʤɔ́grəfɪj, explanation = ek.spləˈneɪ.ʃən/

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Finnish

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaos

        Dearest creature in Creation, Studying English pronunciation,

        I will teach you in my verse Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse. It will keep you, Susy, busy, Make your head with heat grow dizzy;

        Tear in eye your dress you’ll tear. So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,

        • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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          20 days ago

          You know the fun thing about “The Chaos”? It was written by someone who had English as a second language. Most native speakers simply don’t get how chaotic their language is.

    • Mkengine@feddit.de
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      19 days ago

      As a native German speaker, I really dislike the formality levels and hope someday everyone uses the informal level. In a big company it’s really annoying to start with the formal level and then awkwardly switching to informal level when contacting someone for the first time.

    • extrangerius@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      It seems to me that you’re making a strange argument throwing bugs and features into the same pot. The fact that other languages have different complexities does not make one language more or less broken.