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You know what’s fucked, Standards Australia annouced they were considered increasing the minimum size for parking spots and gave only 3 weeks for public comment.
So many comments against, but I bet the car lobby’s get their way anyway.
These things are a scourge.
One pretty big factor to these getting bought is due to safety and for that reason I feel like we as a society has prioritized driver safety that we have sacrificed pedestrian safety
Nope, purely emotional buying:
… occupant death rate was 6% higher in SUVs than in conventional cars, and 8% in the biggest ones.
… children are eight times more likely to die when struck by an SUV compared with an average passenger car.
… “These figures suggest that SUVs were probably killing around an extra 3,000 people in the US a year at that time – more than died at 9/11,” write Simms and Murray. Roughly a third of those died in SUV rollovers, and another third from being hit by one. The final third were being killed by respiratory problems because of the extra pollution caused by SUVs.”
I’d argue that it sacrifices the safety of any other car that’s smaller than it too, with sudans being the most vulnerable. No way a bumper difference of feet allows for the smaller car’s safety features to work as intended if not bypassed entirely.
especially when lifted, if you’re driving a corolla or some shit and get hit with a tonka truck you’re getting mostly lower suspension, luckily it’s still an engine block in front of you, but it’s still fucking horrifying.
I’ve also heard that these things almost never get insured because they’re a fucking mess.
Yeah crumple zones are enforced by the bumper so when you lift a car you’re making the colliding car smash into the other above the bumper and gliding above the crumple zone if I recall the Ford pento was unfairly judged because the cars that were used to rate it’s rear end crash safety had their front ends waghted down to simulate heavy breaking however it caused the cars to not only have more weight than normal but they also ramed into the pento going under the crumple zone and directly into the gas tank so I guess you can also make a argument for lowered SUVs and trucks to be just as bad as lifted trucks and suvs
it’s not safety, i mean, well, it is safety, at the cost of the poor sod that you crash into and fucking kill. Or the children that you’re statistically more likely to run over and even more statistically likely to kill if you do hit them.
You know what else is safe? Not ramming your car into a brick wall.
From the US here. They have uses as work trucks but the majority of these bro-dozers are pristine and have have never hit any water deeper than a pothole in the road.
people keep saying that they have uses as work trucks and i’m not sure i believe them because they made smaller trucks in the 90s and 80s and those trucks were still for work?
I mean i’ve seen one of these things towing 5 fucking cars. I can’t think of the last time i had to load up 5 cars on a shipping trailer and then ship them on my fucking daily driver. Honestly i didn’t even think that was possible, but apparently it is, and i have no idea why people own these things as daily drivers now.
to be clear, my issue here is that saying they have uses is underselling the problem. You can hire a semi with a flatbed to ship a bag of sand. But that’s fucking stupid.
Everyone I know in the US that owns trucks like what op shared are all work trucks for general contractors or were bought to pull their giant campers. I know the bro-dozer community you’re talking about but those trucks are not usually new trucks like op’s. This is in rural America tho not the suburbs so maybe it’s different in other areas.
A neighbor runs his own plumbing company. He’s got an early 2000s Dodge and formerly an early 2000s Ford.
His main complaint about modern trucks, after the price, is the bed being too high for him to easily load and unload equipment.
Work vans are the superior work vehicle for the majority of use cases. Lower bed/floor height to make loading easier. Covered rear so your tools/product doesnt get wet or dirty. Able to carry a ton of equipment, taller models you can even stand in and use a workbench in the van. The side of the van is large and flat making it easier to print large letters and numbers to advertise the company. Most modern work vans have better visibility than similarly sized trucks.
Okay but they’re not commercial vehicles…
Australia is complaining about a truck when their country is 80% outback?
you realize like 90% of australians live in 6 cities, right?
American here. I complain about these things and my country is 90% wilderness.
He needs the large crew cab to have somewhere to put his groceries. Because he doesn’t want to get that bed scratched.
I watched a guy load bags of soil from the hardware store into the back seats of the crew cab while he had an empty bed. The bed would have been easier to load and could easily be hosed down if a bag leaked. I guess he forgot it was also a truck and not just a luxury commuter car.
Well you don’t want groceries in the bed mostly because it will be thrown around since it’s just open space…
What a fantastic car design
Things are pretty fantastic when you use them for that they’re made to do… Try safely carrying 20 4’x8’ sheets of sheetrock in a small car.
Why have them so high up off the ground though? Unless they’re made for loading docks
The one in the picture isn’t stock, the owner made it impractical unless he pulls trailers with a goose neck on the regular.
Even the non lifted ones have the bed and seats way high up
A van will have more cargo volume for the same wheelbase, be easier to load, and have the cargo be covered from the elements. Those are made for carrying stuff. Pick-ups are made only to show that the owner is compensating for something.
Pickups let you load stuff as high as you want to and the open sides can make things much simpler. Try loading a couple of loads of dirt in a van.
For home use I have seen most people buy dirt in bags. A sedan or even a compact would handle carrying those. The open sides can be a benefit for sure, but I don’t know about putting cargo ‘as high as you want to,’ given that wind is a thing. And vans are pretty tall anyway!
I understand that they can have some utility on a farm or something, but the average person is not regularly transporting a ‘couple loads of dirt’ in suburbia.
And I never said the average person should own a truck but buying dirt in bulk (measured in yards) isn’t unusual if your house has space for a garden and it’s way cheaper than buying bags of it. Same for carrying lumber that would be too long for a van.
Also it’s very funny that if you want to be able to do most of things a truck can do, the alternative to a truck should be a contractor’s van which has worse visibility on the sides and at the back, is just as big or bigger than a truck and uses the same engine…
Aren’t there cargo nets and other accessories for that? I get it if you have perishable groceries that need to be kept frozen until you get home and it’s hot outside.
My dad always has trucks, whole 30 years of my life. To prevent groceries flying around you tie the bags and put them close to the cab, unless they’re really light and that case you put them in the cab. He never had crew cab until much later in my life so stuff had to go in the bed as 90s extended cabs were not very extended lol the days of the single fold down seat behind the main front seats sucked for me
How else are they supposed to tell the entire world they are massive dicks with micro penises?
Both of these look terrible and very stressfull to drive.
My 2021 Seat Leon hatchback fits my entire family, with luggage for a weekend, while being fun and relaxing to drive.
These monstrosities are idiotic.
I hate how much they are spreading for no reason. We have rather small parking lots, especially in denser areas and underground parkings. Some 20 years ago that was never a problem at all. Now people take forever to park their shitty cars. People have to get out before they park, so they just stand in the way. Many use 2 parking spots because their fat asses can’t get out of their fat cars, or they just can’t drive in general and decided they need the biggest car they can afford to get groceries.
This shit is like tobacco. We all know it’s fucking awful and makes no sense, but some assholes insist.
So treat it the same way: massive taxes (upon purchase, but also yearly), banned in many public places (underground parking, city centers, …) and there you go.
Oh they can totally be, first job out of uni in 2012 had diesel f350 super duties as field service vehicles, they made sense for some jobs where it was super remote and rough driving (1000+ km a tank), they’ve since gone to 2 panel vans and a truck which is way more handy. They’re super high off the ground so you need to be careful and most importantly, use your mirrors, these were all tow capable so they had the larger mirrors with the second parabolic mirror, you can effectively minimise blind spots to your sides and behind (I think all car mirrors should be that way, I added them to my sedan’s mirrors) but they still turn slow and are heavy. A chunk of my coworkers outright refused to use them, instead opting for rentals, and others were definitely white knuckling it the entire time they used them.
Wouldn’t you want something light and small for off roading?
That should help you clear obstacles by goong over or around easier.
Aside from the lift, there may be use cases for the truck where it requires moving multiple people and smaller heavy loads (or pulling a trailer). However, the sad reality is that the heaviest load it’ll likely be moving on a regular basis is the fat ass of the solo passenger in their way to/from fast food and groceries
you know it’s funny, they made crewcab long beds in the 80s and 90s. They were just long and looked a little goofy, had normal proportions otherwise, these have been vertically stretched and widened to compensate for the absolutely bizarre form factor that they ship in. i genuinely have no idea what they’re doing with the front suspension to require the hood to be that high off of the ground. A fucking hummer has more ground clearance with a lower hood.
There is almost no reason for a truck like this to exist, especially when you consider it’s interior is “luxury”
It’s like baggy jeans.
yeah pretty much. And much like jeans, they just suck.
I live in Germany, and I spotted one of these trucks recently. It looked huge compared to every other vehicle on the road, and one of those was a delivery van. And it was too big for its parking spot. It also had a confederate flag in the back window.
Someone on the dorm I lived in had a Ford Ranger. Even though it’s one of Ford’s smaller pickups, it looked very oversized compared to everything else in the parking garage.
…the original compact ford ranger was a great little truck!..
…i’m not even sure who makes compact trucks in australia anymore, but they’re not sold stateside…
yeah that sounds about right, it’s basically the extent of most of these things.
It’d be some tasty schadenfreude to put parking fine after parking fine. Or even just straight up impound it. It would surprise me if there isn’t some German law or regulation that forbids such cars, same with the Cybertruck.
Want your stupid preference that is a detriment to everyone around you? Sorry, we don’t do that here.
I live in Germany, … It also had a confederate flag in the back window.
WTF, I didn’t even know that was a thing outside the U.S. Do they claim “it’s our heritage not hate?”
i think the confederate flag, or a very similar flag often confused for the confederate flag is often related to UK history? Still doesn’t explain why it’s in germany, but it makes more sense, at least.
Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG. Some of it is because of better safety standards. Some of it is just because that’s what a certain portion of the market wants, and the profit margins on the large vehicles are higher, so they spend more money marketing them (creating more demand).
Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG.
gotta love when the funny regulations do the opposite of what you expect them to do.
Yeah, a lot of the regulations are written by the industries they’re supposed to regulate.
(or pulling a trailer).
You don’t need truck for this
And these huge trucks don’t actually have that high of a load rating or that large of a bed. Your average kei truck hauls heavier loads.
That’s not true. Kei trucks have comparably low load and towing capacity. They have the same bed dimensions of the most common pickup truck bed size. Most people with trucks don’t hail around stone or heavy machinery though.
What a vehicle carries on average is unrelated to its actual capacity. Regardless my point is you see a kei truck you’ll almost certainly see the bed packed full, you see a Sierra 2500 chances are it’s need is totally empty aside from oftentimes boots and beer cans.
sounds like a great case for a permit
That’s a goddamn Ferd Fteenthousand.
I wonder how big these things are compared to European lorry? That thing is fucking huge!
Fucking yank-tanks
Pavement princess
Mall crawler
I like this thread
Babydickmobile
Y’all won’t how a camera works 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you can even see the seam.
This is painfully obvious what this propaganda is trying to do. Then y’all take it a step further by making stories up about the driver. Like sitting in a GOP strategy room, just a notch or two less evil than the actual GOP members.
What seam?
Regarding propaganda, just because something is propaganda doesn’t mean it is automatically a lie. It just means that it is being used for political gains.
You folks make me so sad for our future. I sit here watching the GOP and fascist countries gaining power while I watch the folks who should care race them to the bottom.
This specifically is just a lex extreme version of the US bombing the middle east to stop terrorists.
These images get used as accurate portrayals of progressive lies and gets added to the pile of
leftistconspiracies. These things essentially become an onboarding packet.Whatever, it’s just a meme I guess.
What agenda is being pushed by a camera angle that makes the truck look 10% bigger? Its still a massive truck and I think it was mostly photographed this way to show the grills and hoods of both vehicles, not to embelish the size.
Sure, this image calling the truck with a lift a monstrosity with perspective that clearly makes the size delta as large as possible was just chosen at random 👌👍
The hoops you are jumping through here qualifies for a circus act. 10%, my goodness that suv could be near fully imposed on just the door panels. The height of the SUV is at the truck bed ffs 🤣
And the bed of that playtruck is empty and has never been used
Why not put a spare car in it?
Car? Why not another truck?
It’s just trucks all the way down
As someone from Texas, these are disgusting, and people driving this garbage are not friendly towards pedestrians at all. They have no self awareness sitting inside these killing machines.
The only reason for 99.9% of people to drive this garbage is to feel big when on the road. How petty.
There is also the factor of danger and safety. People are observing more gigantic cars on the road and being in a smaller one makes them feel unsafe. So they get a bigger one when they get a new car, perpetuating the problem.
Many of my family is in this. They keep getting bigger vehicles because they get the sense of safety. They cannot grasp how bad that mentality is and how wrong they are. And with bigger vehicles, it means that much less room for error too. And most people suck at driving. Not all the time, but that one time you make a mistake (as we all do) could be a big one in an oversized vehicle.
Both my brother in laws have huge modified trucks, both live in cities, both complain that the road infrastructure and parking doesn’t cater to their large vehicles… Also both have (probably) never used the truck bed.
They are so huge, tons of room in the cab. Feels like driving in a living room. Have to ride over curbs to get out of parking lots though
I once asked a friend with a truck to help me pickup a BBQ. When attempting to load it he got so worried about us scratching the truck bed that eventually we couldn’t proceed. Called another buddy with a minivan, we put a moving blanket down and off we went. No whining, just work.
dude minivans are crazy, you can fit a full 4x8 sheet of plywood in that bitch EZPZ
…minivans are fantastic purposeful vehicles and probably what one-quarter of SUVs should be driving; the other three-quarters should be driving cars if they hadn’t been swept up in the road-tank arms race…
That’s golden hahaha
Some of those curbs may also be kids, but who can tell.
