In these situations the asker is typically skeptical that your a “real fan”, usually because of sexism.
It doesn’t really matter how you answer because they’re not asking for a genuine conversation, they want a dick measuring contest to prove they are superior. If you do fulfill their request chances are they’ll nitpick the songs you chose and still accuse you of being a “fake fan”.
Gatekeeping often comes with moving the goalpost so the only winning move is not to play.
It’s basically accusing her of cultural appropriation, just for wearing a t-shirt she likes.
The question implies skepticism that she is an authentic fan. It’s a form of gatekeeping, based in misogyny and rigid social conformity.
Even if she doesn’t really know iron maiden’s music, so what? It’s perfectly reasonable to choose your shirts based on styles and colours you like. I wore a Popeye the sailor t-shirt yesterday, I would not be prepared to talk about my favorite episodes.
In what reality is it important to pull someone’s card. You can ask anybody wearing a shirt what their favorite song is or if they’ve seen them live. That’s actually acceptable, because you’re interested in their subjective experiences.
Publically announcing to someone that you want to out-group them over a trivial matter is not.
Edit: and generally, that’s how men interact with each other. But some take the existence of a woman in their fandom to be a direct attack on their already incredibly fragile masculinity.
I disagree that gatekeeping is either of those things. I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask people not to publicly associate themselves with a thing if they know nothing at all about that thing.
Gatekeeping really is not either of these things, but people can wear whatever they like. I can’t say I get why someone would do it at all, but not my problem.
There’s a huge difference between using it as a conversation starter and asking about their favorite songs or whatever, since it’s reasonable to assume they know and like the band, and going “name 3 songs” because you assume they don’t listen to the band and also somehow care about that.
Forgive my ignorance but I don’t see why that’s an unreasonable request
In these situations the asker is typically skeptical that your a “real fan”, usually because of sexism.
It doesn’t really matter how you answer because they’re not asking for a genuine conversation, they want a dick measuring contest to prove they are superior. If you do fulfill their request chances are they’ll nitpick the songs you chose and still accuse you of being a “fake fan”.
Gatekeeping often comes with moving the goalpost so the only winning move is not to play.
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Here’s how the conversation could go without sounding like an ass:
Him: Cool shirt. Do you like Iron Maiden?
Her: No, I just like this shirt.
Him: That’s cool. They’re one of my favourite bands. If you wanna hangout sometime I’d love to introduce them to you?
Maybe not the last sentence but can you get the difference in tone?
Do you believe that everyone needs to prove their fandom at a moments notice with inane trivia about that thing?
She doesn’t owe him anything.
It’s basically accusing her of cultural appropriation, just for wearing a t-shirt she likes.
The question implies skepticism that she is an authentic fan. It’s a form of gatekeeping, based in misogyny and rigid social conformity.
Even if she doesn’t really know iron maiden’s music, so what? It’s perfectly reasonable to choose your shirts based on styles and colours you like. I wore a Popeye the sailor t-shirt yesterday, I would not be prepared to talk about my favorite episodes.
What if she was a man instead?
In what reality is it important to pull someone’s card. You can ask anybody wearing a shirt what their favorite song is or if they’ve seen them live. That’s actually acceptable, because you’re interested in their subjective experiences. Publically announcing to someone that you want to out-group them over a trivial matter is not.
Edit: and generally, that’s how men interact with each other. But some take the existence of a woman in their fandom to be a direct attack on their already incredibly fragile masculinity.
The same holds true? Can’t be that hard not to be an asshole.
I disagree that gatekeeping is either of those things. I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask people not to publicly associate themselves with a thing if they know nothing at all about that thing.
The bar is on the floor here.
Gatekeeping really is not either of these things, but people can wear whatever they like. I can’t say I get why someone would do it at all, but not my problem.
There’s a huge difference between using it as a conversation starter and asking about their favorite songs or whatever, since it’s reasonable to assume they know and like the band, and going “name 3 songs” because you assume they don’t listen to the band and also somehow care about that.