Yeah, genius thought that creating CyberTruk and turn full Nazi will expand his consumer base.
Sucks for real founders of Tesla, but hey, at least you helped bootstrapping switch to EVs.
seriously, I think if Elon could just sit back and shut the fuck up about everything since the beginning, he could have went down in history as one of the greatest man alive.
Apartheid Space Karen just had to go and call the Thai cave diver a pedo because his tech bro submarine idea was dumb as fuck, and his fragile ego couldn’t handle the L.
Oh, billionaires and their submarines. I wish Elon wanted to tour the Titanic.
I wondered if that was the trigger or just a symptom. I suspect, given his upbringing and previous reputation from other startups, it was just a symptom.
Definitely. But it was the moment where a LOT of people started seeing the real elon
turn full Nazi
He’s a Nazi? Like, literally? What’s the latest?
Edit: we’re discussing the down votes for this comment below. I’m baffled, because I’m merely asking for info. Please, if you want to down vote, reconsider, and consider replying to me why instead. 🙂 I don’t care about the votes, I’m just curious why a simple request could be so unpopular. Thank you.
He lets Nazis use his platform and calls it “freedom of speech”, although this exact freedom is limited by the wellbeing of others. And promoting Nazis is harmful to not only minorities, but the society in my opinion, as they strive to split the society with populist arguments.
Calling someone a Nazi is quite a serious accusation, and it’s going to need a lot better justification than that. I post gay porn on Twitter, and Elon lets me do that. Does that mean he’s gay too?
You’ve tied my head up in knots with this one. Haha
As to the argument above yours, fostering a space for Nazis to grow their movement is scary. I get that some segments of society think that posting gay porn is scary too, but gay porn never led to death camps for anybody.
I think all ideas are worth discussing, because if they’re hiding in quiet corners there are no voices of reason to refute them. It’s hard to take that stance nowadays with the internet working the way it does. Algorithms feeding information to people just because that information gets engagement is frightening.
I had a conversation with my neighbor yesterday about how he got interested in the whole furry thing. He said that initially, he read the critical comments online, took them seriously, thought it was funny, so he engaged in harassment of furries. His engagement led him to more furry videos. He began to like some of the people he was engaging with. Fast forward to now and he’s got fursuits hanging in his closet and everyone he hangs with is also a furry.
It got me thinking about how a lot of kids end up going down these rabbit holes online. Not that I consider being a furry a bad thing. My daughter is into that stuff and I support her being herself. His example just made me think of how other people fall into extremism online.
I disagree. It’s better to let naziz talk so their opinions can be argued against. Nothing is solved by censorship. The opinions are still there, you just don’t see them.
I don’t know why people today are so sensitive? Why is it hard to see someone say something you don’t agree with?
If you want to actually solve the problem that those people hate strangers for no real reason, you need to talk to them.
Elon isn’t promoting naziz, he is just not censoring them. Hopefully you see the difference.
This is such a naive and ignorant take that assumes everything is argued in good faith and not with an army of bots posting literal propaganda, lies, and disinformation in order to brainwash people who don’t know any better.
What you’re arguing for is allowing cancer to spread rather than seeing a doctor about it “because the immune system will take care of it.”
We’re not arguing about “a marketplace of ideas” in real life, this is about weaponizing technology to serve the interests of a select few to the detriment of everyone else.
That’s a good point. Thanks.
I don’t know why people today are so sensitive?
I don’t know, maybe because it’s hard to not be sensitive about ideas that threaten your life and very existence?
Elon isn’t promoting naziz, he is just not censoring them.
Twitter disproportionately take action against LGBTQ+ individuals and ignore nazis. There is no debate that Elon is promoting right wing ideas by protecting nazi speech.
So you meant that the platform is nazi because it’s not supporting lgbtq+? Im not on that platform and don’t know anything about it, but the word nazi has traditionally not been used for gender issues, but race issues.
It’s well known that Nazis aren’t very fond of lgbtq+ people, despite them being more known for being anti-Semitic and just generally racist.
But I would like to know, what would constitute promoting nazi ideals for you?
Yes of course but not liking lgbtq+ people is not nazism.
I am not talking about feeling attacked, but rather to not give anti-societal movements any platform.
Also, that ideology is not based in factual arguments, so why would arguing succeed? The real solution would be for them to get to know foreigners to seez that they are just people, but that doesn’t happen on twitter.
Yes, I see the difference, but its indicative of his ideology I think.
Thus website doesn’t like any opinion that is anyway different to theirs. They want the echo chamber.
I am wondering why there is such a down vote count on this. I thought there was a new development that he’s actually a Nazi supporter, rather than just letting them roam free on his platform.
It’s not even an opinion. I’m literally curious to know more facts lol.
This website fucking insane in all honesty.
Like I’m not going to say Elon is perfect. But on here they live in fantasy land. He seems to be living rent free in their head.
Space X is the biggest one where it becomes obvious how biased it is. Space X will public announced that they are testing something and expect it to fail. Then it does better than expected but doesn’t complete everything perfectly. Then everyone on here acts like the greatest space company in the world is failing singlehandedly because Elon is stupid and also an evil genius. Also that he has too much control and that is had too little.
Facts don’t matter here. Everyone is too fragile so free speech is scary to them.
Maybe you’re right. I’m not here to argue with anyone over Elon, I’m just here for the show/trainwreck and the popcorn lol.
Nope. Lefties like to call any outspoken conservative a “Nazi” to discredit them. It’s like when conservatives call lefties “communist.” It’s juvenile IMO, but I guess it works.
If you let Nazis in your house and kick out people saying they don’t want to hang around Nazis, what does that make you?
Collaborateur! 📣
Leftists are communist though. Liberals are the progressives that prefer capitalism
No, I disagree with each of your definitions. Here’s how I see them:
- leftist - anyone left of center; this is a big tent with both capitalists and communists
- progressives - leftists who want significant, but moderate political change (e.g. universal healthcare, high minimum wage, etc)
- liberals - anyone who believes in individual rights and private property, so basically the capitalist wing of leftist ideology; originally, liberals were more synonymous w/ modern libertarians, but now they tend to prefer larger government
So in terms of size of the groups: leftists > liberals > progressives. The communist part of the left is largely mutually exclusive from progressives and liberals, though some progressives are in favor of some elements from socialism.
At least that’s how I see it. I’m neither leftist or conservative, I’m a pretty centrist libertarian. I’m left of many leftists and right of many conservatives, depending on the issue.
You may disagree, but it is a pretty widely agreed upon distinction. It’s a symptom of the issue of a fractured left wing. The left leaning communists wanted to distinguish themselves from the left leaning capitalists, so they started calling themselves leftists and not liberals.
It’s just a bunch of different labels, it’s not really set in stone or definitive. I totally understand why you disagree.
My point really was just that a conservative calling someone a communist isn’t insulting to a lot of self described leftists because they are communist, it’s mostly just considered an insult to a conservative. Kinda like calling an alt right person a Nazi is an insult from a leftist, but plenty of alt righties wouldn’t be insulted because they are (jk but not really but jk)
The left leaning communists wanted to distinguish themselves from the left leaning capitalists, so they started calling themselves leftists and not liberals.
I don’t really care what they call themselves, I care what people in general mean by the terms they use. Academics use “leftist” to mean anyone on the left, “liberals” to mean those who prioritize individual liberties and private property (e.g. founders of the US), and “progressives” to mean those interested in utilitarian changes to existing systems to improve outcomes. Those have clear definitions that are generally understood by the public, and changing their meaning just confuses things IMO.
My point really was just that a conservative calling someone a communist isn’t insulting to a lot of self described leftists because they are communist
But most aren’t. Calling Biden a communist because he wants to expand access to medical care is similar to calling Trump a fascist because he wants stronger border protections. They’re just inflammatory, inaccurate labels used for political gain. The communist label is relying on the “red scare” nonsense, and the fascist label is relying on holocaust imagery. Both are inaccurate and harmful IMO.
Yes, there are legitimate communists on the left and legitimate fascists on the right, but they’re such a minority that using them for any public figure is almost guaranteed to be inaccurate.
It certainly seems that way. I think social media has made people turn on eachother. Everything is dumbed down. Sides are calling eachother names. Its all so useless.
Tesla’s sales in the second quarter of 2024 fell to 49.7 percent of all US EV sales.
Unless the other 50.3% were of a single company, which i highly doubt, i fail to grasp how Tesla lost market dominance.
They lost dominance because they aren’t the majority anymore, just the plurality. It’s not a hard concept.
I think the statistical nature of the comment you’re replying to kinda flew right past you.
chinese EVs are cheap, plentiful and work just as fine as teslas
And aren’t for sale in the USA. If they were Tesla would have lost that 50% a few years ago.
That said overall EVs are taking up a larger part of the overall market, so this is just a headline number. This was always going to happen as the other manufacturers started making competitive EVs.
Good? Even if Tesla wasn’t shit it’s probably for the best if one company doesn’t make up the majority of an industry.
And normally this would be good for Tesla as it’d indicate the industry is growing a lot. So even if they aren’t most of it their total sales would probably increase.
Surprisingly their sales have actually gone down YoY, and considering the hugely growing EV market, that is hard to do.
Idk, the EV market has stagnated quite a bit, which is why used EVs are getting a lot cheaper. They just don’t have the range for broad market appeal, so those who want them largely have them.
It’s still growing, but a lot of EVs are sitting on the lots longer instead of being a waitlist. Essentially, supply has caught up with demand.
I wouldn’t say supply has caught up with demand, there’s a lot of other factors that contribute to people WANTING an EV, but being aware that it’s not feasible yet for them due to things like average price, charging access issues, etc.
That’s a demand issue then. The supply has saturated demand at current prices, so prices need to come down to align with demand at lower price brackets.
But demand is sti higher, it’s just mitigating factors, I want an EV but I live in an apartment so I can’t easily charge it, so I went with a hybrid instead as an in-between till I own a home and the infrastructure and battery tech improves.
The lack of CarPlay/Android Auto makes Tesla a non-starter
I honestly don’t care about that. For me, it’s price, both for purchase and if I ever need to replace the battery pack.
Used Bolts and Leafs are right in the price range I’m looking at, and I only want it for a commuter, so I don’t need a ton of range or a vast charging network. I imagine a lot of other consumers feel similarly.
Tesla will probably be a case study one day in how to get the lead in a market that is hard to break into and somehow squander it.
the problem is tesla basically got in early and did literally nothing to actually innovate and improve
i saw a Hyundai Ioniq6 this morning was like, damn! They have great performance, great reviews, and great warranties. they’re nice on the inside, too.
can’t remember ever thinking that about a Tesla
I saw a KIA the other day that I was surprised looked as slick as it did. Decided to look into it and saw a lot of positive reviews from owners. Was refreshing to see, but definitely surprising. The market is definitely changing and evolving. Tesla isn’t the only game in town.
exactly. next to every other car company, Tesla looks like it’s been standing still for years.
and that’s not even considering the toxic association Musk brings…
A couple of years ago KIA hired new designers and changed their logo, they basically turned from being the butt of a joke to one of the hottest car makers around.
I weirdly love their logo.
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I have a 2017 ioniq hybrid and I’ve been happy with it.
I was referring to a 2024 Ioniq6. I saw this and was obsessed all day. This car was hot. I especially liked its backside.
It’s an automotive design trend I’ve seen for 2 decades in the Mercedes CLS and CLA series, and even as far back as the original Infiniti i35 back in the mid-90s. The whole body of the car is just one big arc. I love it. It”s so elegant and sporty.
It reminds me of old Porsches. It just looks sporty as hell!
I have a great deal of experience of Porsche’s. I actually hate them. They’re expensive, impossible to maintain, and extraordinarily uncomfortable. I believe these cars are far more enjoyable to drive and own.
I don’t doubt that they aren’t ideal for everyday commuting. I was talking about how they look.
Its all good, Elon got paid.
If that was the cost of BEVs getting a toehold in the auto industry…
… Nah that still sucks, bad deal
This is not surprising. When Tesla started out they had not much competition. Now that all the other carmakers have entered the market it is much harder to maintain their lead. Tesla losing market share was pretty much to be expected and Musk alienating their customers and the laughable Cybertruck certainly did not help.
When Tesla started out they had not much competition.
Half the joke of the company was how they stepped in and bought a bunch of the EV-1’s patents and plant infrastructure for a song, then spun around and sold EV production credits to the Big 3 auto companies so they could greenwash the SUV industry. Had GE simply kept turning out EV-1s, they’d have cleaned up during the late Bush Era gas price explosion. Instead, Musk got top dollar to churn out heavily subsidized sports cars while racking in government subsidies and deposits on cars that wouldn’t be built for half a decade.
Musk alienating their customers and the laughable Cybertruck certainly did not help.
Americans have a downright neurotic fixation on big trucks. I don’t think his Cybertruck idea was necessarily all that bad on its face. But he’s so fucking slow, he’s such a shitty product manager, and he was so heavily derailed by the promise of Robotaxis that Ford and Rivian beat him to EV Truck delivery.
Now his brand new flagship vehicle is barely more than a punchline.
This deserves a pay package in the billions.
giving elon another bonus should fix it
Good, tesla looks like a shit.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“EV sales exceeded expectations during a record-breaking quarter,” said Cox’s industry insights director Stephanie Valdez Streaty.
Much of the growth in electric vehicle sales is due to new kit from General Motors, Cox said, with additional strong showings from Ford, Hyundai and Kia.
A recent study on EV adoption from Cox reiterates those points and predicts US car buyers are keen on electric tech.
Increased competition “is leading to continued price pressure, helping push EV adoption slowly higher,” she opined.
2024 hasn’t been a great one for Tesla, which has seen worsening sales declines, an arson attack, mass layoffs, fallout from the Cybertruck launch and more lawsuits than you can shake a stick at - and all that’s before the troubles owner Elon Musk has caused for the company.
It’s not clear how far that market share could dip in coming years as EV buyers begin to migrate away from startups toward companies with established histories.
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arson attack
😮 What? I missed some juicy news, I see.
If I wanted a death trap I’d buy a Ford Pinto!
Credit where credit is due, Tesla makes some of the safest cars on the road if we exclude the Cybertruck.
The cybertruck seems ultra safe for the driver. RIP to who gets hit by it, though
What other company sells cars that self-drive themselves into fatal collisions?
