I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn’t this like if you couldn’t send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?
Like, you’re not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don’t see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way
The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.
People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that’s fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.
This is called “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”. Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90’s and 00’s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don’t hate them, but I don’t understand why.
No, they aren’t. They aren’t by any means.
Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.
They haven’t gone that far yet, but they’re on their way. I didn’t think they were like that in the beginning either, but they certainly were advertising themselves to be the best place to go in the beginning for some unknown reason. They now try and take over every community and/or shut down smaller ones. An admin was curating things, which isn’t a great sign. Granted, it was just an admin, but I’m not welcome there anymore. They act like reddit, so I think of them like reddit. That’s just my take, you’re totally welcome to disagree, and you obviously do. I didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.
didn’t see the value in spreading out in the fediverse, now I do.
Welcome to the other instances!
Ty, I really like SJW, they’re pretty great here.
It’s a nice one
I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.
Because I remember this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
And it feels like deja vu.
I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don’t consent to use it. AFAIK, you can’t block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.
You can’t block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn’t doing what you think it is
Sure, websites could scrape and whatnot, but having actual API integration is a very different thing.
only until llm scrapers hit the market. they will make the api requirement negligible. like reddit is finding out now… you can block your api all you want but people are just going to scrape your public site.
Sure, but that’s not the issue at all. The issue is that they’d be linking lemmy content from within Threads, as in using Lemmy content to drive engagement for Threads. Whether it’s used in an LLM is another matter entirely. Without direct API integration, Lemmy posts and comments won’t show up in Threads. That’s my take on why people want to defederate.
so youre saying meta may use the information youre publicly posting as if it was public information?
I’m saying it’s a completely separate concern. Whether Meta scrapes lemmy has nothing to do with whether Meta is federated with lemmy.
this is exactly it. these people are posting public information, and are then getting butt-hurt when its used a public resource.
im running an mbin instance (shoutout https://moist.catsweat.com !), which does connect to threads. I purposefully avoided using lemmy as its not capable of doing that. I wanted to give people stuck in the FB walled garden a path out where they could still communicate with their friends and family on threads.
my only concern with threads is one of resource management/volume. I cant have their stream physically take down my server, so that would be the only reason for me to block them.
a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta. see also the ‘fedipact’
a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta.
Meta’s history doesn’t really speak in its favor
Hey! This looks neat. What is Mbin exactly?
its a lemmy-compatible reddit clone + it has the whole ‘microblog’ section (ie, mastodon/tweets), so users from mbin can subscribe to and be subscribed from the rest of the 'verse
Alternative to Lemmy, compatible with it: https://joinmbin.org/
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What? Let me guess, you’re a flat earther too?
These are seasoned ex-redditors here, do you think trying to antagonize them is going to work? Move along.
because fuck facebook and its ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too
I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.
Facebook bad.
Yes that’s my whole take.
This is all you need.
All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288
edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397
Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against
Thank you for the link
Fascist-adjacent.
Overwhelmingly large.
E-mail does not work the same way.
I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they’ve done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don’t trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that’s one of the reasons I joined it.
For me it’s just “fuck Meta.” Fuck that company for coming here.
I can’t stand what the internet is turning in to. Turn off moderation like it used to be. It used to be the wild west, now it’s a dystopian hellscape. I prefer the wild west myself.
Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.
That’s it.
In reality, threads and lemmy aren’t even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don’t see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.
One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn’t that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you’re willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it’s because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I’d call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it’s easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.
lol
