To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people’s life less stressful.
IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.
If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.
Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.
Three months would be excessive in the Netherlands. The legal minimum is one calendar month. When you resign you can always negotiate to shorten the period, but most of the time people will work the remainder of the contract. Also, your new employer might actually think there is something wrong if you can quit your current job faster than the one month.
Yeah one month is the standard practice here too, as a negotiated shortening of the three month notice. It’s good to have the other two months paid out, that’s all I’m saying.
As someone who has dealt with multiple people leaving (two fired, two quit with no warning, and two with warning), I honestly don’t see much value after the first couple days. So honestly, a 1-week period would be plenty, if only to give HR a chance to properly close everything out while you’re still easily reachable.
Even a month sounds excruciatingly long. We have a 2-week expectation here in the US, and it’s more than sufficient to get someone off-boarded, though insufficient to find a replacement. And that’s fine, we just adjust to whatever the new headcount is (usually by cutting out a bit of work after reassigning more important work).
That said, I would appreciate some form of mandatory severance. We don’t have any, and it sucks when the market is poor.
Let’s say you have an opportunity to work somewhere else making 2x more, but you have to wait 3 months. Or let’s say your boss really sucks, but you have to tough it out for 3 months. Or let’s say a close family member dies but your company won’t give you time off to grieve, you just have to put that off for 3 months.
How productive do you think you’d be in those 3 months? I can’t speak for you, but I certainly wouldn’t be giving it my all…
In the US, there’s no minimum for most industries, but 2-weeks is expected (6-weeks in health care apparently). I think anyone can put up with almost anything for 2-weeks, and the 2-weeks isn’t even required, it’s just expected. And honestly, every time we had someone resign, we won’t trust them with new projects anyway, so they end up doing very little for most of those 2-weeks.
Europe’s economy is like an old Volvo. It’s slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA’s economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth
To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people’s life less stressful.
IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.
It could make you miss you a job opening that needs someone earlier. Hadn’t have the issue myself, but I guess it happens.
If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.
Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.
Three months would be excessive in the Netherlands. The legal minimum is one calendar month. When you resign you can always negotiate to shorten the period, but most of the time people will work the remainder of the contract. Also, your new employer might actually think there is something wrong if you can quit your current job faster than the one month.
Yeah one month is the standard practice here too, as a negotiated shortening of the three month notice. It’s good to have the other two months paid out, that’s all I’m saying.
As someone who has dealt with multiple people leaving (two fired, two quit with no warning, and two with warning), I honestly don’t see much value after the first couple days. So honestly, a 1-week period would be plenty, if only to give HR a chance to properly close everything out while you’re still easily reachable.
Even a month sounds excruciatingly long. We have a 2-week expectation here in the US, and it’s more than sufficient to get someone off-boarded, though insufficient to find a replacement. And that’s fine, we just adjust to whatever the new headcount is (usually by cutting out a bit of work after reassigning more important work).
That said, I would appreciate some form of mandatory severance. We don’t have any, and it sucks when the market is poor.
You wouldn’t because everyone is expecting you to do the right, corporate thing, so they’ll gladly wait for you to gracefully terminate your old job.
In tech anyways.
Let’s say you have an opportunity to work somewhere else making 2x more, but you have to wait 3 months. Or let’s say your boss really sucks, but you have to tough it out for 3 months. Or let’s say a close family member dies but your company won’t give you time off to grieve, you just have to put that off for 3 months.
How productive do you think you’d be in those 3 months? I can’t speak for you, but I certainly wouldn’t be giving it my all…
In the US, there’s no minimum for most industries, but 2-weeks is expected (6-weeks in health care apparently). I think anyone can put up with almost anything for 2-weeks, and the 2-weeks isn’t even required, it’s just expected. And honestly, every time we had someone resign, we won’t trust them with new projects anyway, so they end up doing very little for most of those 2-weeks.
Europe’s economy is like an old Volvo. It’s slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA’s economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth