You aren’t arguing with me because you want to handwave support for genocide as “nuance”, call everyone talking about it a propagandist and sleep better at night knowing you support “the good guys”.
There is no strawman. Harris supports Israel, same as Biden supports Israel. Israel is committing genocide. So Harris supports Israel in committing genocide. There is no nuance here - just bitter truth to swallow - the US is sending carriers, troops. The US is sending bombs that kill people in Gaza.
And there’s the nuance you appear to lack an understanding of. I’m only going to do this once:
This take of yours is just bad math. You think there’s a cause and effect here, but it seems that you lack the understanding of how nuanced the situation actually is.
For starters, I’m going to guess that you have no idea about the history between Israel and Palestine prior to October of last year. So you don’t know that the attacks issued from both sides of this conflict is something that’s gone on for decades. (Which makes their history a very nuanced situation)
You might also not know how trade agreements work. So this would mean that for you- breaking one is should be simple and easy, and free of any repercussions!
It’s not. (It’s VERY nuanced)
Lastly, a vote for a person that adheres to a policy that you don’t agree with, isn’t by default, a showing of support of that thing. (Again, nuance) For example:
• I don’t support child labor, yet I have a mobile device. (See? Nuance)
• I don’t support global warming, yet I drive a car. (There’s that nuance again)
• I don’t support violence against women, yet I have watched a few movies produced by Weinstein. (Getting the picture?)
THIS is what nuance is. It illustrates the ignorance of black and white thinking. Right and wrong thinking. Rigidity vs. moral flexibility.
You want to paint in such broad strokes that everthing is either with you- or against you without seeming having learned how any of it actually works.
Great job going “I’m going to guess” and assuming the exact opposite of what I know. A vote for a person supporting genocide isn’t nuanced - you just want it to be. It’s not broad strokes - it’s just reality. You talk about me being black and white yet it’s obvious what your views are and how according to you the US can do nothing wrong and that Palestinians deserve it. Further yet, you refuse to notice the fact that what’s happening isn’t grey - Israel is murdering thousands of Palestinians, displacing a million of them. You are a fence sitter and go “a little genocide is okay when it’s my country that supports it, I just need to handwave it away as grey morality”. You called another user a propagandist for saying “this is a genocide supported by the current president and the next democrat candidate”. Those statements are true and they deserve all the shit they get for it. There is no excuse.
Also great job speaking about breaking trade agreements like that’s an excuse to fuel a murderous regime. Do you even read what you write? Do you even have a shred of empathy? It doesn’t matter that it is hard or has repercussions - you do it to hold onto your principles and to show you want peace. You do it to save lives. It sends a clear message saying “we don’t support this” to every country that’s watching this conflict. It sends an even clearer message to Israel - that the US won’t blindly allow them to destabilize the region by launching multiple wars with its neighbors and erasing a population.
The UN calls sending weapons to Israel a serious violation of human rights, international humanitarian laws and says it risks complicity in international crimes, including genocide. Show me the nuance and grayness of the situation, when the UN Human Rights Council directly calls out the United States and the specific companies doing it. Show me the nuance in the UN calling the war in Lebanon a human rights catastrophe.
I’m not going to argue this with you. I know what you’re about and I’m not falling for it.
Just lean what nuance means. And try and do better in the future.
You aren’t arguing with me because you want to handwave support for genocide as “nuance”, call everyone talking about it a propagandist and sleep better at night knowing you support “the good guys”.
I’m not going to argue with you because no matter what I say, as evident above- you are going to rewrite my words, and argue against that.
In other words, I don’t debate straw men.
There is no strawman. Harris supports Israel, same as Biden supports Israel. Israel is committing genocide. So Harris supports Israel in committing genocide. There is no nuance here - just bitter truth to swallow - the US is sending carriers, troops. The US is sending bombs that kill people in Gaza.
And there’s the nuance you appear to lack an understanding of. I’m only going to do this once:
This take of yours is just bad math. You think there’s a cause and effect here, but it seems that you lack the understanding of how nuanced the situation actually is.
For starters, I’m going to guess that you have no idea about the history between Israel and Palestine prior to October of last year. So you don’t know that the attacks issued from both sides of this conflict is something that’s gone on for decades. (Which makes their history a very nuanced situation)
You might also not know how trade agreements work. So this would mean that for you- breaking one is should be simple and easy, and free of any repercussions!
It’s not. (It’s VERY nuanced)
Lastly, a vote for a person that adheres to a policy that you don’t agree with, isn’t by default, a showing of support of that thing. (Again, nuance) For example:
• I don’t support child labor, yet I have a mobile device. (See? Nuance)
• I don’t support global warming, yet I drive a car. (There’s that nuance again)
• I don’t support violence against women, yet I have watched a few movies produced by Weinstein. (Getting the picture?)
THIS is what nuance is. It illustrates the ignorance of black and white thinking. Right and wrong thinking. Rigidity vs. moral flexibility.
You want to paint in such broad strokes that everthing is either with you- or against you without seeming having learned how any of it actually works.
Great job going “I’m going to guess” and assuming the exact opposite of what I know. A vote for a person supporting genocide isn’t nuanced - you just want it to be. It’s not broad strokes - it’s just reality. You talk about me being black and white yet it’s obvious what your views are and how according to you the US can do nothing wrong and that Palestinians deserve it. Further yet, you refuse to notice the fact that what’s happening isn’t grey - Israel is murdering thousands of Palestinians, displacing a million of them. You are a fence sitter and go “a little genocide is okay when it’s my country that supports it, I just need to handwave it away as grey morality”. You called another user a propagandist for saying “this is a genocide supported by the current president and the next democrat candidate”. Those statements are true and they deserve all the shit they get for it. There is no excuse.
Also great job speaking about breaking trade agreements like that’s an excuse to fuel a murderous regime. Do you even read what you write? Do you even have a shred of empathy? It doesn’t matter that it is hard or has repercussions - you do it to hold onto your principles and to show you want peace. You do it to save lives. It sends a clear message saying “we don’t support this” to every country that’s watching this conflict. It sends an even clearer message to Israel - that the US won’t blindly allow them to destabilize the region by launching multiple wars with its neighbors and erasing a population.
The UN calls sending weapons to Israel a serious violation of human rights, international humanitarian laws and says it risks complicity in international crimes, including genocide. Show me the nuance and grayness of the situation, when the UN Human Rights Council directly calls out the United States and the specific companies doing it. Show me the nuance in the UN calling the war in Lebanon a human rights catastrophe.
Socialists that give a shit about what the UN thinks? Hmmm…. I guess you’ll use anything that helps you make whatever point you think you have.
Either way… I knew I was wasting my time. Never again. There’s no getting through to you people.
Waste your vote. You’re free to do so.
For now.