White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.
Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.
White capitalism
This is just called capitalism.
I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now…
Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I’d say “white capitalism” is fair enough.
Capitalism is the Sociopath’s Ideology and hence it will always promote the use of any power advantages to exploit the less powerful, with no consideration for the fellings of others or harm done to them, for fairness or for morality.
Which is why it had to be something outside Capitalism to push for fairer treatment of POC and even then every single day in America it’s an uphill fight for those amongst them who remain disadvantaged: that previous exploitation of them as powerless due to their ethnicity meant that when the discriminatory treatment on the color of their skin was reduced (not eliminated, but certainly comparativelly much reduced), they ended up poor people and hence still the victims of discrimination and exploitation, because the poor too are less powerful than most and hence exploited to the max under Capitalism, and as an overexploited group it’s incredibly harder for them to pull themselves out of poverty or help their children do so, which means that situation is entrenched.
Technically Capitalism isn’t an ideology, but a state in development of the productive forces. Liberalism is the ideology of Capitalism.
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Africans enslaved and sold other Africans by the millions for centuries before white people arrived on the continent. Though they certainly made it worse when they did.
People enslaved their opponents in war for essentially as long as humans have existed, until we decided slavery was an evil we should avoid. However, this was not generally chattel slavery. Usually their offspring were not slaves and they were not bread to create more slaves, like livestock.
This is a good read if you want to learn more.
I’m not sure you have enough of a historical framework on population to make the claim you’re mindlessly repeating, but I appreciate that you “people” out yourselves so readily so normal humans can avoid you. Good luck on truth social or Facebook or x I guess.
I think their point was fair, Rome had slavery unrelated to color, as did many other places.
They did not have chattel slavery.
Why does that distinction matter?
It matters a lot. Chattel slavery is what Europe brought to Africa. It’s a particularly violent and cruel form of slavery. The “Africans also had slaves” argument is a fallacious one as the systems of slavery were very different. We could say the same thing for “wage slavery” today to demonize that or to lessen the hatred of chattel slavery. The intent of the message was to dismiss the harm, which should not be done.
It’s still exploiting them. I don’t think it was intended to dismiss the harm at all.
Ah of course, European exceptionalism.
Rest in power. Fuck the Chicago PD.
It’s so, so sad that none of them, or the FBI, has had to pay for their crimes. Not to mention all the other murders the US has committed around the globe. The people who planned and carried out these murders haven’t paid for them in the slightest.
Excuse me, may I deposses you of this image? It would be a fine addition to my collection.
Of course, memes are communal.
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That’s fair, but that’s all the more reason why it is the duty of Leftists to read and spread Marxist theory!
“THAT’S COMMIENISM!!! POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!” - average reaction to anything from the left
Different people have different levels of class awareness. Identifying the ones ripest for radicalization helps dramatically.
And, to be fair, I am advocating for Communism.
I think it’s fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.
I would imagine that anyone familiar with his story, that happens to have any semblance of critical thinking skills, feels the same way.
Anyone who has both characteristics above, and still dismisses Fred Hampton’s assassination as justified, is an enemy.
And then people wonder where the modern-day civil rights leaders are. The U.S. government will murder anyone who gains the ability to upset the status quo. The best we’re going to get is social media personalities like Dr. Umar and comedians like Charlamagne Tha God.
Capitalism has race now? Or are they suggesting to use race as a product?
“Black capitalism” is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.
The most famous “black capitalism” proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans “back to” Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.
*It’s mostly an American thing, but it’s not exclusively an American thing by any means
For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.
The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that’s a tale as old as time, unfortunately.
If racism just sprang from the ground or from defects in people’s souls, that would make sense. Racism is a superstructural tool of capitalism. It’s a little more obvious how the two are in union when you look at things like the Transatlantic slave trade, but keeping black people as an underclass serves in capital’s interest to this day.
So… corporate collusion between black businesses owners? I suppose that would equalize the market a bit if they do manage to kick down corps like amazon
Capitalism has always had a form of race, but it’s a social hierarchy.
Class.
It has always been class. The lie that gets sold to middle America is that one day, they too will be of a higher class.
Capitalism can’t help anyone out of poverty at least not without exploiting masses.
Just exploit the whites? Big brain
In 1800, 80% of the world lived in extreme poverty. Now it’s under 10%.
Fact is, the vast majority of the so-called “exploit[ed]masses” rose out of poverty over the same period of time that capitalism established itself as the primary economic system the world over.
So who were they all exploiting, to get out of poverty? Each other?
Funnily enough, it was the USSR and PRC that had the largest impact on poverty elimination in the 20th century.
You know that’s really a brilliant rebuttal.
Or maybe race doesn’t really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along
Not to imply that ethnic/cultural tensions never existed before in history, but capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression, and of pitting working class people against each other.
Capitalism or socialism or anything else is irrelevant when most people are dumb, easy to manipulate and ready to harm others. There will always be someone willing to be a leader of these people, harming others to gain something.
“I am 14 and this is deep” material here. No analysis of anything, no thoughts, just an edgy nothingburger.
What about Socialism is “irrelevant” if most people are “dumb?”
That they still fall for the same manipulation as anyone else.
That’s not an answer, lmao
How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did. Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events. They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated. Some their whole life without ever knowing any different. The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.
How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did.
No. Read Blackshirts and Reds. Socialism doubled life expectancied in Russia and China, it saved millions of lives.
Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay.
They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated.
Your fanfiction isn’t reality.
The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.
You do realize that you are more propagandized, right?
Mate, live expectancy went up because of general improvements due to better tech. Everywhere, just a little sooner or later depending on how quick they went from the classic farmers to more modern agriculture, medicine etc.
My fanfiction is what happened and happens all over the world. Why do you think the Japanese thought they are so much better and committed atrocities? Because of their genes? What about the Nazis? What about the Americans genociding Indians? Australians the aboriginals? Etc. etc. all over the world throughout history.
How am I “more propagandized” when I point out that these things exist? Explain.
Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.
Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain’s beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we’ve done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.
I had to read the second post twice to understand what it’s saying due to the non-standard grammar. But I’m a foreign speaker.
I’m asking an honest question out of curiosity: Was this easily legible to you?
I’m a native English speaker and had no issue… but I come across (or hear) contractions like “ain’t” often enough that it barely registers as being non-standard… just much less formal, really. Some punctuation might’ve helped you here.
At least like one comma could have done a lot…
Yes, it was very clear (native speaker here). Something like this is more commonly spoken than written, so I can see why it might be confusing. If your experiencing with English is more formal (via education, reading, etc) vs talking to a whole bunch of different people, that would explain it.
“Ain’t” can be kind of difficult. It can mean “are not,” “am not,” “is not,” “has not,” or “have not.” Aside from that, the statements should be separated with a period, and “it’s” was used instead of “is it.” Also, they use “the fuck” instead of “what the fuck.”
“Ain’t” is pretty common in casual speech now, and the rest is relatively common in internet speech, so it was pretty easy to read for me.
“Capitalism hasn’t solved white people’s poverty. What the fuck is it going to do for us?”
I think the linguists call it African American Vernacular English. It’s completely reasonable for you to not understand it from the outside looking in.
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Yeah, exactly
The main disconnect is they contracted “is it” into “it’s” when “it’s” is normal a posessive like that is mine, e.g. it’s mine. Aka “the fuck is it going to do” or “the fuck’s it going to do” would have been correct. At least I think so as a native speaker but someone with more knowledge on grammar might have more insight.
I agree, white capitalism is so last year, get with the latest fashion and use black capitalism.
It is past September.
I mean, it helped bolster rationale for enslaving black people. It’s fair to say that capitalism tips the scales, steals your car, and then runs over your neighbor before disappearing with your spouse and your dog/cat.
It didn’t just bolster the rationale for enslaving black people, it largely executed the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Those boats weren’t publicaly owned, and neither were the captured slaves, the slavers were entrepreneurs and their employees doing business.
True? Yes.
Funny? Not really.
/c/depressing would be a better fit
agitprop does tend to get miscategorized, but “capitalism didn’t solve white poverty,” as-rendered there, registers to me as a grim punchline.
Except it’s done more to solve it since anything that preceded it, so it’s not only not funny, it’s a misleading/disingenuous talking point.
it’s done more to solve it since anything that preceded it
Maybe, but the guys in OP aren’t talking about going back to feudalism or bringing back the roman empire or anything else that preceded capitalism. It’s misleading to restrict yourself to systems that came before capitalism, and not the one that lifted a billion dirt poor farmers out of poverty and created a space-faring civilization within a single lifetime.
Thank fuck.
White people get pegged for rich people bullshit too much.
Your first (and only) premise is highly vulnerable. Socialism and cancer are two different things.
Socialism is a cancer and Capitalism is, uh what cures cancer?
