• M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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      2 months ago

      Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.

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            2 months ago

            Yep, women alone could have put this election in the bag for harris. That confuses me the most out of all of this…

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              2 months ago

              Once again, we are shown that people (of any gender, race, or group) can and will vote directly counter to their interests.

              Well that or they like being “grabbed by the pussy” or whatever the hell. Guess I will not kink shame.

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        2 months ago

        those Mussolini style of speeches

        Like Kamala at the DNC saying that the US needs to have the MOST LETHAL army in the world, and the crowd bursting into chants of “USA, USA, USA”?

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          They’re not to blame. They’ve been convinced by a powerful, wealthy propaganda machine that their identity is more important than their planet, their children’s futures, or their own basic human rights. They were scared, tired, desperate, and when the machine came for them and it felt so good they bought it without checking the receipt. They’ve been tricked into giving away their futures and they are going to suffer for it. They’re stupid, but they’re not evil.

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            That’s bs, it just takes 1 hour of your day to go put a mark on a piece of paper and be done with it…

            Pure laziness and complacency

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              2 months ago

              … The voters? We’re talking about the people who cast votes. Not the ones who didn’t vote. Keep up.

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                2 months ago

                The comment above yours was referring to the rest of people who could vote but didn’t, and I thought you said they were not to blame.

                Anyways it just means most of the US is ok with trump, which is absolutely insane.

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            2 months ago

            Some of them, yes. I have family that fit your description, but I also have family filled with anger and spite. The ones who hold hate I can and will blame for it.

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            2 months ago

            Your logic completely nullifies human capacity for agency and thus makes no sense whatsoever. Conditioning is important but it does not negate responsibility. Not yet anyway…

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              If my argument nullified the capacity for agency then propaganda could not exist.

              I am saying that propaganda was used to make people vote for Trump. Without that propaganda, they may have voted in their own interests, like protecting bodily autonomy and basic human rights.

              Propaganda is the thing that swayed them.

              Some people are defenseless to it. They never stood a chance against the billion-dollar machine built specifically to win their vote. I feel sorry for them because they were tricked into giving away their futures.

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      2 months ago

      Not really. Voter engagement always swings more right than left, the fact the numbers aren’t that far off means it’s likely more than 50%.