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    To declare a “National Emergency”, he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those “National Emergency” situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?

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    He’s not going to succeed at his goals unless he essentially suspends the constitution. Which I wouldn’t put past him necessarily but for now these headlines are pretty sensational.

    Everybody is protected by the fifth amendment regardless of citizenship status or if they are here “legally” or not. We’re all entitled to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure so long as we’re standing on American soil. Running after families just minding their business and demanding papers please is far fetched. Going after already established criminals however is a lot easier and low hanging fruit. And I’m not talking about people who’s only crime is being here illegally, I’m talking about people who are that + another crime. And sorry but I don’t feel sympathy for those people who make life harder for everyone else…

    Even if they do go after everyone they don’t have the infrastructure in place to process people. The highest deportations happened under Obama (take that, hysterical pissing in their pants liberals) at 230k a year and the system was barely functioning and is further backlogged now than ever. How the fuck is trump gonna manage to deport a million a year?

    He’s full of hot air. Hell deport criminals and claim a win.

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      I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you’re relying heavily on “due process” here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you’ve pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.

      The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.

      Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, “well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest” and it sort of escalated from there.

      Which with their “camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted” and “deportation emergency” sounds alarmingly similar.

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        First sentence: unless he suspends the constitution

        I’m not saying the rhetoric isn’t concerning, I’m saying he doesn’t have the machine set up to make it happen. Could it happen? Absolutely.

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    You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.

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      The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.

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        What is so fucked up is how incredibly ignorant and stupid Trump and his policymaker picks are… like when they talk about how the tarifs would skyrocket the prices of basic imported foods (foods that CANNOT be grown anywhere in the United States) their response was ‘maybe Americans shouldn’t be eating those foods’.

        This is fucking insane. I mean are they aware that the only place that coffee can be grown in the entirety of the United States is Hawaii? And I guarantee you, every single bit of coffee grown there will not be anywhere near enough to meet the demand that Americans have. What about chocolate? You like Chocolate? The overwhelming majority of chocolate in the world is grown in West Africa. But that is besides the point. There would be no chocolate for the average American as it would be simply too expensive. Most chocolate on the market today only contains a small bit of chocolate anyway, the other crap is just fat and sugar. After Trump does his tarifs it will be ALL fat and sugar and anything containing real chocolate will be an absolute luxury that no regular American will afford.

        I could go on forever. But I am sure you realize just how FUCKED people are going to be. And don’t think for one moment that it is going to be an exclusively American problem. I am a Canadian, but a shitload of food products here are also packaged and manufactured in the United States, meaning that the price those companies, like the Kraft-Heinz (which is the 2nd largest food manfucturer in the world) have to pay for their ingredients will mean that the price for everyone will go up, even if they don’t live in the United States.

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          They’ll just create new farmland for previously unused parts of the US for coffee, chocolate, rice, avocados, bananas… In Alaska for example, there’s lots of empty land there. They’ve thought of everything.

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          You’re absolutely right, I’m just worrying more about mass starvation than about coffee and chocolate. This is the practice run before climate change famine.

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            In Canada due to serious price gouging by supermarket retailers have been doing is resulting in MASSIVE food waste (people simply cannot buy the shit anymore, and what do they do? Just throw away tons upon tons of perfectly good food), and what is even more outrageous is that the price for some critical produce is actually so high that in some places there are cases of scurvy, which the company addresses as a big ‘so what? Here are some steps…’ as if it is the most normal thing in the world…

            The only time I ever heard of scurvy in my life was when I was reading history books about pirates and old-timey sea travel where long-voyages in times without refrigeration and lack of nutritional understanding meant that the food they ate was seriously lacking in most vitamins, so sailors would get diseases like scurvy that no one living on land could ever get… yet now we’re living in a time that where we are surrounded by vitamin enriched everything and people are getting that crap because they cannot afford it due to gouging and landlords wanting to bring back 19th century slum stuffing…

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              Oh look at what you made me do, waste all this food.

              Due to all this waste I have no choice but to raise prices to compensate.

              The prices will continue to rise until morale improves.

              CONSUME.

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    Don’t forget to put all the books in a pile and set fire to them. And smash their shop windows.

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      They have been doing that for years against the ‘wokes’ all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.

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    Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?

    Anyone?

    No one?

    Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!

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    When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.

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      If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.

      Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.

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        Plus the NSA knows the weapon supply stock of the US Armory and no matter how many rounds the avg “patriotic” gravy seal might have.

        Literally no way to stand up to the gear the US military has, our real hope is some how not letting trump purge the military to break the laws.

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      A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.

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        Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america

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      When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?

      Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.

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        Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.

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        Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.

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      If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?

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        The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.

        They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.

        A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.

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          I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.