A federal judge has determined that Rudy Giuliani has lost a defamation lawsuit from two Georgia election workers against him after he failed to provide information sought in subpoenas.
The decision could lead to significant penalties for the former Donald Trump attorney.
In court in recent weeks, Giuliani said he could no longer contest that he made false and defamatory statements about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss – who are only one group of plaintiffs suing him for defamation related to his work for Trump after the 2020 election.
It’s not easy to lose a case by default for failing to comply with discovery. You have to really work hard for the court to basically say “your conduct is so bad that you’ve forfeited your right to continue making a defense”. But due process is still a process, and if you straight up refuse to fulfill your end of the process, and turn down the many chances to comply with discovery that the judge will give you, then this happens. Alex Jones went down for the same thing in his defamation case. These turds all think they can just buck every system or break any norm that suits them, which is why they always go down for the dumbest simplest shit in these cases like perjury, discovery, and witness tampering.
I don’t think they think they can get away with it. They know that turning over the evidence would be more damaging to them than losing the case.
Yes, if you are certain that complying with discovery is going to expose more crimes and get you and your seditious buddies in more hot water, a good soldier like Giuliani will take the L of a default judgement, simply because he’s more afraid of what his “friends” will do to him than what the justice system will do to him.
It’s the one problem with denying reality. Reality doesn’t care. I just didn’t expect the US legal system to be the place where the rubber met the road. Honestly I thought it would take physical violence, unfortunately. Although our legal system ain’t perfect, it’s a pleasant surprise.
I love it when lies have consequences. Because conservatives love being lied to.
This is a weird read. They handed over 200 documents plus financial records. This case is about some remarks, how does it need so many records, what wasnt provided that resulted in this? There was an FBI raid and they say he should have made backups.
Is backing up all your documents expected in all court cases?
Keep in mind it is a very common tactic to “bury” your opponent in paper. By law the lawyer knows they have to turn over an incriminating document. So they bury it in hundreds or thousands of other documents and hope opposing counsel misses it.
They handed over 200 documents plus financial records.
Without knowing what was specifically submitted, the quantity doesn’t say much.
I could provide hundreds of pages of spam emails, automated messages from my bank and every online store I’ve bought stuff from, and still leave out any communication which was specifically requested by the court.
Example:
You use Firefox, you occasionally use IE to download MS updates and when you accidentally click on a link generated by windows.
You use Firefox to Google “how to commit murder” and “how to remove blood from fabric” and then are accused of committing a murder around that same time.
You get a subpoena for your electronic communications and searches.
You only submit your IE searches (and delete your Firefox History).
You are in contempt. The prosecutor would have the expert note that you use the computer for X hours a day (as per the logs that build up as you are online), yet IE shows minimal usage.
Your Firefox shows no history, however there is a bookmark in your browser from after the time you received the subpoena. Therefore, you cleared your browser history after you were subpoenaed.
You have Firefox installed (which you would have to go out of your way to do), but submitted no Firefox logs or empty logs.
These logs also show logged activity from Firefox during the period of missing browser history.
The Judge thinks he may have been intentionally withholding the records.
“Perhaps he has made the calculation that his overall litigation risks are minimized by not complying with his discovery obligations in this case,” Judge Beryl Howell of the US District Court in Washington, DC, wrote Wednesday. “Whatever the reason, obligations are case specific and withholding required discovery in this case has consequences.”
Stuffs probably over my head but what would they think was withheld?
I think ive got court phobia, if i ever get accused of something im gettin booked for deleting my emails cus my inbox fills with spam.
im gettin booked for deleting my emails cus my inbox fills with spam.
You would only be in trouble if your emails were first subpoenaed, and before complying, you continued deleting your email.
Document disposal due to established practices and which fall within regulatory requirements are not at issue.
You won’t get in trouble for deleting your emails when your inbox fills up if you haven’t been served with a subpoena.
IANAL but I like to read up on legal stuff.
His hair gravy must be really flowing today.
Another FAFO moment for poor Rudy. When will he ever learn?
Aren’t defamation cases normally really hard to win?
Yes, because as long as your statement is presented as an opinion or rhetoric then it’s protected speech. It only becomes defamation when you emphasize that your statements aren’t opinions but actual facts that you can prove with (non-existent) evidence. It’s also why Fox lost their lawsuit.
Thank you
I don’t disagree with anything you just said except that Fox didn’t lose theirs, I think they ended up settling for a buttload of money
More than a buttload, $787.5 million. I’ve only been able to fit about $47.86 in my butt, but that was also all pennies.
Only within the Four Seasons of the year…
I love this so much…
Yeah. Unless the defamer (is that a word? if not, it now is…) is a total idiot.
It was a default judgement, in large part because he refused to comply with a discovery order; wasn’t a matter of them winning so much as him not showing up.
The judge speculated - and other commentators seem to agree - that he may have done this because the discovery could have hurt him more badly in some of the other, scarier legal cases against him (like the criminal case in Georgia); she made it clear she wasn’t going any easier on him because of it, though. But if he figures he’s going to be broke for the rest of his life anyway, then having them get in line with all of the other people he owes money to might be worth it if it even slightly reduces his likely jail time.
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