On the plus side everyone will shut the fuck up about claims that Chinese research ships are all disguised whaling vessels.
Narrator: “No, they won’t.”
They never really stopped bitching about Japan until China’s economy blew up. It’ll be all about China until some other country joins the 10+ trillion GDP club.
Its not just economics, there’s also a racism component. Even though the Japanese and South Koreans are treated by white westerners as “the good Asians”, they’re still kept out of the white westerner club by forms of cultural othering that can be hidden and deployed when convenient. Japanese food is amazing high cuisine (except they’re barbarians that eat whales). Korean pop music is great (except they’re all tricking us with their plastic surgery). Etc, etc.
China’s main crime as far as this dynamic goes is exceeding the West economically while having so much cultural confidence that it can simply not give a fuck how the West judges it.
That seems like the kinda rhetoric that’d get you strung up as a capitalist pig by your hexbear compatriots.
it seems that way because you don’t know anything about us. you’d think that would be obvious but here we are
As one of their hexbear compatriots
Who cares if the whales die horribly and the species goes extinct, right? Oh yeah, new “regulations” make it “good” to do the same shit somehow, so no problem.
it’s never about the planet. it’s never about life on earth
it’s always about “the economy”
Oh there’s only like 200 whales left, might as well finish them off - icelandic gov.
Minke has a minimum population estimate of 17000, so you are a bit off there. https://media.fisheries.noaa.gov/2022-08/Com Minke Whale-Can E Coast Stock_SAR 2021.pdf
Ah. So just a couple of whale hunting seasons away from extinction.
Good job their industry doesn’t kill 217 per year guaranteeing its pathway to extinction then!
Come on, it was fucking obvious the prior user was doing hyperbole why did you feel the need to do a smarmy correction? Extremely reddit behaviour.
Yes, correcting hyperbole with relevant information is bad, actually.
Yes? It’s a rhetorical technique, you don’t need to correct something everyone already knows is an exaggeration for effect. It’s socially inept comic book guy behaviour that is ridiculed in so many different ways.
You don’t need to correct something everyone already knows is an exaggeration (and I agree it doesn’t seem very socially aware to do so) but this is a political discussion on the internet, so
- Everyone does not know the original figure is an exaggeration, especially by how much
- Providing the actual information ads value to the conversation and in this context this is more important than whether the commenter comes off as smarmy or socially inept
What if they said “Hey I know you’re being hyperbolic, but for anyone who’s interested, here’s the number estimated by experts…”?
The only difference here is tone.
I’m not sure why they only shared numbers for minke whales, as these don’t seem to be hunted anymore in Iceland in contrast to fin whales, whom the article was about.
Global fin whale population was estimated in 2018 by IUCN to have been around 100000.
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/2478/50349982#populationFuck me I am not reading that. Stop writing so much over a fucking exaggerated joke. Fuck off comic book guy. Please touch grass, smoke a joint, have sex, or just get some social relationships or something. Anything.
Outside of this Internet Melee, I’ve (WELL ACTUALLY) been struggling with this same dilemma with my youngest kid. We’re both autistic so this is an extremely fun topic!
Where do we draw line between doing a bit, sincerity, and just lying for fun?
Caveat: We’ve both been awake for two whole days right now. (Thanks, heritable sleep disorders!)
I don’t remember what question I wanted to ask here, or how it related to this discussion. I’m just stream of consciousness typing words while I attempt to explain to another kid why Zack Snyder’s Watchmen is worth watching, with the explicit understanding that 0.00% of the characters are good people, let alone HEROES.
Anyway, America sucks and Palestine deserves freedom. Okay Google, press the REPLY button.
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Well the prior user was implying that the purpose of whaling is to hunt them to extinction, which is a pretty strange policy to have for any nation. Is that actually Icelands purpose in the whale hunting, to make them extinct?
It’s mostly to sell to the Japanese market iirc. Not many in Iceland actually have a taste for whale. Huge waste of time and resources.
I’ve seen like a handful of places selling it in Iceland, and they’re all full of tourists who have it just to say they’ve had it.
It’s not great meat by all accounts.
That would make sense.
Why do you guys keep talking about Minke whales?
Read the fucking article. They’re hunting fin whales, which are considered Vulnerable.
Contrarian chuds will say “based” to this just to trigger people that are less edgy than themselves.
Sanction them. I love Iceland but the way I see it, sanction them and tell them to knock it off. Capitalism sucks but use whatever few means we have in that system to at least right some wrongs.
sanctions are only for [BAD COUNTRY], sorry
You gonna demand sanctions for every single country that hunts a wild species that’s classified as “least concern”? I think you’ll struggle to find any countries that don’t pull shit that’s at least as inhumane and environmentally harmful as killing some 100-150 whales per year.
Know why they’re called right whales? It’s because they’re the right ones to hunt.
I’ve only heard about perfumes that once contained whale juices? …What do these whales produce in terms of raw and or commercial material. or is it for sport these days? not that any of it is okay.
ambergris? but i think that was only found in sperm whales
Yes this they used to use wheel spinal fluid as a base for perfumes. Because of course they did.
I think that practise was banned years ago mostly because it isn’t remotely sustainable.
Iceland has this weird thing about wailing. You see all these whaling ships right alongside whale tour boats. It’s like they sort of get it but can’t quite get over the culture of whale hunting.
Which in fairness is part of their culture but they have a Costco there now as well so…
I’m guessing this is what the >!Avatar: Way of the water thing was based on!<
whales have something in their brain cavity that was considered valuable at the time, can’t remember what it was called or what it was used for but I think that was the equivilant thing they were going for in Avatar
Whales have been used for a number of resources in the past.
Oil from blubber was a big one, and used in everything from lamps to soap.
Ambergris was a perfume base.
Spermaceti, the substance in the head of sperm whales, was used for candles and also lamps, as it was a higher quality.
Genociding Native Americans and slavery are part of American culture too, but we mostly stopped that.
Would you accept “ItS tHEiR cUlTuRe” if someone decides whaler hunting is part of their history?
I don’t think you know what “culture” means. It’s not just stuff that people did in the past, it’s what traditions are based around.
How do you think Iceland traditionally got food? They’re not exactly surrounded by arable land are they?
This just in: tradition is an excuse to dress up and party, not do bad things.
“It’s tradition, that makes it okay! Hip hip hooray it’s Weasel Stomping Day!”
Are you seriously comparing the responsible hunting of a sustainable number of minke whales to the deliberate genocide of an indigenous population?
There is no such thing as sustainable or responsible whaling.
Believe what you want. You’ve already decided that you are both offended and correct, so there’s nothing that anyone can say to change your mind. Just understand that not listening doesn’t make you right, it makes you a zealot.
Provide a source that whaling is sustainable and responsible.
Mink whaling is more responsible and sustainable than a lot of commercial fishing - compare the impacts of hunting a species that’s classified as “least concern” with deep-sea trawling, the hunting of certain endangered species of tuna, or the use of the eggs and/or young spawn of endangered fish as caviar or whitebait!
Whaling definitely needs to go but (non-Antarctic) whaling gets an oversized amount of attention and it’s not unusual for people who are opposed to it to be financially supporting even more destructive forms of kaimoana.
Source?
Simply being “not as bad” does not make it “good.”
This is just providing masculine jobs for guys who won’t do anything else, while enriching the terrible people who employ them. There’s no use to whaling.
I very intentionally did not say that whaling is good, because it’s not. However, I believe that it is hypocritical to call for the banning of Icelandic whaling without also applying the same zeal to banning other forms of harmful commercial seafood, and that whaling is somewhat used to distract from the harms of more “normal” seafood.
Actually, Norway and Iceland have good gender equality. I’m pretty sure a lot of the whalers are women.
Yes. Cry about it.
I’ll have to comfort eat to deal with the sadness. Where are the whale burgers?
So contrarian and edgy! You must rule 8th grade!
You know it ;)
Yes, it’s genocide. They’re barbarians who need to be put in their place for killing whales. I support a coup on the government
And if you lived in a country that has whaling there might be some legitimacy to your coup. But as it stands you’re going to have to try to bribe the CIA to intervene on your behalf. Good luck paying them more than the Norwegian government does.
Except can you really say “genociding native americans” and “slavery” are a part of American culture? Is it “customary” of Americans to kill native americans and slavery can be an American trait?
Except can you really say “genociding native americans”
As a country, the US has spent more of its existence genociding native Americans than allowing women to vote, or having a standing army.
and “slavery” are a part of American culture?
The US currently has fully legalized privatized slavery. You, specifically you, can own a slave in the US right now. You can even treat them as if the constitution does not apply to them in any way. Simply buy a prisoner and get a judge to commit that prisoner to you for the length of their sentence. It’s so ingrained in our culture, we’ve never stopped the practice.
Yes, it was explicitly part of American culture, and is written into our very foundational documents.
It sure was.
If you include the period before we split from England we spent centuries taking land that didn’t belong to us and building our economy at least partly on slavery. If you look at the South in that time frame slavery permeated their culture. It is as fair to say that slavery was if anything much more deeply embedded in Southern culture than whaling in Iceland.
spinal fluid as a base for perfumes
I can’t find any evidence of that. Are you perhaps thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambergris made from stones in the whale digestive system?
They just watched Avatar 2 and went with it.
Meat. Whale is tasty. Yum yum yummy in my tum tum tummy. Not even joking. People like whale. It’s a very versatile and lean meat which is very high in omega 3, iron and protein… And mercury but never mind that. Just try it next time you’re in a country that hunts them.
Actually, don’t try it. Just encourages hunting.
Unless you are a full vegan, you have no business condemning responsible whaling.
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So contrarian! So edgy! That’ll show those wokescolds like Mrs. Meanface in 8th Grade English class!
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How brave! You did a racism dogwhistle too.
Are you trying to fill out a nazi bingo card?
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If I am a Nazi, then every average person in the US and the whole of Europe is.
yes
now fuck off and perish.
No one cares
You care. You keep replying.
Do you need validation, sweetie?
Do you need more attention?
I’m here for you.
Let it all out.
There, there.
Your whole woke thing is over. Trump will take 2024 and then normalcy will return.
Oh wow, you mean the ICE camps will open back up? Oh wait, Biden never closed them. What exactly are you threatening us with? Replacing one senile racist with another?
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Do we have any experts in the fishing industry on lemmy? Is whaling really that profitable? Because it’s weird to go back on something like whaling if it isn’t profitable. Like I know the Japanese are subsidizing it heavily as a point of national pride, but that can hardly be the issue here.
It isn’t really profitable. The meat isn’t really in demand and they harvest far fewer than the limit that’s set by the government. This interview with a wailer from freakenomics was interesting and touched on a lot of these issues.
as a sort of expert on commercial fishing/fisheries management and economics, absolutely not especially to the degree where it is worth the backlash this is getting. This strikes me as an incredibly dumb decision from a pr standpoint at the very least, and it’s the sort of thing that could lead to ramifications for the actually important parts of the Icelandic seafood industry if any countries decide to restrict seafood imports over the whaling (which has happened before in other circumstances)
I could be wrong, but I thought the only reason Japanese whaling wasn’t profitable is that it’s for “research” so it can’t be for profit, and also all the physical harassment from “eco terrorist” groups.
I’m currently reading Moby Dick and that book goes over the entire process of harvesting a whale. Even then they started it wasn’t necessarily profitable but the versatility of the whale s resources were went they are harvested. I also heard the meat sucks.
no it was very profitable parts of the whale were worth their weight in gold and the oil was worth a lot as well
Fuck these guys.
How many battery chickens do you need to unalive to feed the same number of people as one minke whale?
Chickens aren’t at risk of extinction due to human consumption.
We don’t have whale ranches.
Billions of living things forced to experience short brutal painful existences inside of concentration camps
Farming livestock is industrialised animal cruelty. Animals are kept in squalid conditions. Whales have a good life followed by a quick death (unless it dies in the Faroe Islands). Dynamite tipped harpoon will get the job done right.
I don’t believe Minke whales are endangered either.
@Numberone @chiliedogg They probably will be soon now…
They aren’t. “Least concern”
Which would be great if they were hunting Minke whales, but they’re hunting fin whales, which are endangered.
Maybe don’t eat either.
Oh I eat all animals! I just don’t like hypocrisy.
What makes you assume the person you replied to is a “hypocrite” (i.e. eats factory chicken)?
Most people do.
It would be cool to give whales guns and just see what happens.
Like the ocean version of when you give a monkey a gun.
I heard that India is allowing people to wack moneys over the head real good now. It used to be that you couldn’t hit them little fellers. Not the cows though. You can’t even eat their brain through a small straw like you are told to do to monkeys in some areas of Asia. Regardless, vegans like me can’t get into the action. We just massacred a bag of pistachios and that’s about as far as we go.
Did we learn nothing from Star Trek 4?
