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Oh boy, how surprising.
The bait and switch classic.
I’m clutching my pearls as I type this.
So the development of inorganic intelligence, considered by many as an inflection point in human civilisation is to be handed to business graduates who are historically proven to be capable of any level of atrocity in the name of corporate greed. America, fuck yeah.
AmericaGreed, fuck yeah.Don’t fool yourself. The USA lost the exclusivity deal on unchecked corpo greed a long time ago. This is a global issue now.
Always has been.
Yeah, the American tag was just a throwaway line, greed unchecked, insane and self-harming has always been with us. We let it sit with us around our camp fires like wolves but unlike wolves we never tamed it.
Then again, the US and China are basically the only players in this “game” atm. Hugging Face is trying hard to get the EU on-boarded, and I’m sure we’ll see more contenders. But right now it’s a 2-player game.
I think western interests at least are beginning to detach from nation states.
Actually corporations themselves are 99% of what people fear about AGI already in their inhuman decisionmaking to the detriment of humanity.
Dont see the issue mann, people are hard at work at openai to make the best quality ai on the market. Why would you not give it the best economic system on the planet as well? Its literally the best of the best of the best
No problem, after they release all the data collected under the excuse of public good and progress.
Stop depending on these proprietary LLMs. Go to [email protected].
There are open-source LLMs you can run on your own computer if you have a powerful GPU. Models like OLMo and Falcon are made by true non-profits and universities, and they reach GPT-3.5 level of capability.
There are also open-weight models that you can run locally and fine-tune to your liking (although these don’t have open-source training data or code). The best of these (Alibaba’s Qwen, Meta’s llama, Mistral, Deepseek, etc.) match and sometimes exceed GPT 4o capabilities.
And there are also free, online hosted instances of those same LLMs in a (relatively speaking) privacy-protecting format from DuckDuckGo, for anyone who doesn’t have a powerful GPU :)
Interesting. So they mix the requests between all DDG users before sending them to “underlying model providers”. The providers like OAI and Anthropic will likely log the requests, but mixing is still a big step forward. My question is what do they do with the open-weight models? Do they also use some external inference provider that may log the requests? Or does DDG control the inference process?
All requests are proxied through DuckDuckGo, and all personalized user metadata is removed. (e.g. IPs, any sort of user/session ID, etc)
They have direct agreements to not train on or store user data, (the training part is specifically relevant to OpenAI & Anthropic) with a requirement they delete all information once no longer necessary (specifically for providing responses) within 30 days.
For the Llama & Mixtral models, they host them on together.ai (an LLM-focused cloud platform) but that has the same data privacy requirements as OpenAI and Anthropic.
Recent chats that are saved for later are stored locally (instead of on their servers) and after 30 conversations, the last chat before that is automatically purged from your device.
Obviously there’s less technical privacy guarantees than a local model, but for when it’s not practical or possible, I’ve found it’s a good option.
The issue with that method, as you’ve noted, is that it prevents people with less powerful computers from running local LLMs. There are a few models that would be able to run on an underpowered machine, such as TinyLlama; but most users want a model that can do a plethora of tasks efficiently like ChatGPT can, I daresay. For people who have such hardware limitations, I believe the only option is relying on models that can be accessed online.
For that, I would recommend Mistral’s Mixtral models (https://chat.mistral.ai/) and the surfeit of models available on Poe AI’s platform (https://poe.com/). Particularly, I use Poe for interacting with the surprising diversity of Llama models they have available on the website.
There are open-source LLMs you can run on your own computer if you have a powerful GPU.
What defines powerful? What if you don’t have the necessary hardware?
You can check Hugging Face’s website for specific requirements. I will warn you that lot of home machines don’t fit the minimum requirements for a lot of models available there. There is TinyLlama and it can run on most underpowered machines, but its functionalities are very limited and it would lack a lot as an everyday AI Chatbot. You can check my other comment too for other options.
“ClosedAI” rebrand when?
🤣
NopeAI
Open Your Wallet AI
That’s very open of them
Open to All Income.
I was calling this shit out for years, yet I was downvoted into oblivion, argued with, called names, and dismissed as a result.
Weird, I said this shit for years, and I was upvoted into the heavens, agreed with, called a hero, and acknowledged as a result.
Maybe is not what was being said?
I think it was more a case of where. I wasn’t commenting on posts that showed it negatively, I was commenting on posts that propped it up as the be-all-end-all gift to mankind. When there was any news on Sam Altman, everyone was up his ass. At the time, I’d comment some nuanced stuff that essentially took him down a few pegs and I got lit the fuck up.
Aside from that, I was commenting on the environmental effect. Which even if u provided links- I was met with the whole “Bruh! The pros will outweigh the cons!” rhetoric.
I only see negative posts about openai, I kinda find this unbelievable, do you have any examples?
I don’t think you’ve paid enough attention. Back when ChatGPT first launched, they were treated as saints.
The negative opinions have corresponded with public sentiment souring towards them in general (this did happen quite quickly, however).
They just wants the attention of an argument. I made the mistake of giving it to them.
One example and I shutup
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When you admit you’re lying, sure!
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Can you provide even one example? AI is my autistic obsession, and I never saw anything like that on lemmy even once.
I was even regularly searching for “AI” using the search feature daily.
I have never once seen this, and I don’t find it believable at all, honestly.
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On lemmy?
[citation needed]
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/search?q=openai&type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll I just tried this, went back 2 pages, not even one positive post, dunno what you’re talking about.
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??? I only see people talking about the negative of both of these on lemmy.
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I have never seen a positive post about openai get upvotes on lemmy, not even when they started.
I have never seen a positive post about elon musk on lemmy that got upvoted…
Just because you haven’t seen a thing, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You really shouldn’t have gotten on this far without having had this explained to you by now- but here we are.
I’m not going to argue with you about it.
Yeah but it certainly doesn’t mean it does exist just because you said so.
Something stinks.
Heh, I warn about Mozilla/Firefox all the time and get the same. I hope I’m wrong though :(
Everything was clear about Mozilla the moment they started fighting the ecosystem around Gecko, with alternative browsers, useful extensions and so on. And, of course, the old usable UI.
People just forget what they don’t know how to process.
Disagree, XUL was a dead end that either needed shooting behind the bike shed or it’d have taken Mozilla down with it inevitably. It froze their internal architecture to a design that didn’t care about multicore or modern security. Switching to a proper extension api (it didn’t matter if it was chromes or their own, only that they are willing to make their own decisions, like in manifest v3).
That said, I suspect the real death blow was when they killed servo, that project was their distant salvation, a chance to genuinely outcompete technologically and direct where browsers need to go next. I too hope I’m wrong and they can figure out a path forward, but they’ve shown little ambition from the top, so I’m not holding my breath.
Edit: you could argue that the solution to XUL should have been an upgrade to modern design rather than death, but that would have just been an expensive temporary reprieve, the world doesn’t stop changing, it was always going to be slow to correct to whatever direction they needed to go next (and meanwhile every extension dev would be screaming murder every time they killed some braindead api designed 20 years ago).
XUL itself - of course.
Edit: you could argue that the solution to XUL should have been an upgrade to modern design rather than death, but that would have just been an expensive temporary reprieve, the world doesn’t stop changing,
I’m not sure what do you mean by that. No deep customization at all is, of course, easier to support than some.
I don’t care about preserving the feel of XUL, or any aesthetics, but I do care about its role.
It’s not about specific extensions and specific language. It’s about the “before” allowing things like Conkeror and any kind of appearance change conceivable and the “after” - not, if we don’t count stupid CSS that breaks with every update.
Shocking nobody
Well, apart from the people like me who thought they had always been one because they acted exactly like one.
I thought they had successfully converted around the time they got the infusion of funds from MS. I thought they were started as a not-for-profit, but were already shady-as-shit when they stopped publishing stuff under open licenses.
Booooooooooo!
Anyway: ill just keep using alpaca to run llms locally
is there an easy way to do this that doesn’t require me to understand how github works?
I think that in that case, YouTube is your friend. There are a few pretty straight forward videos that can help you out; if you’re serious about it you’re going have to, eventually, become familiar with it.
I recommend Ollama, its easy to setup and the cli can download and run llms. With some more techsavviness you can get openwebui as a nice ui.
For someone who doesn’t understand GitHub, the CLI might be a bit much, FWIW.
It would be nice if there were a GUI, download-and-run single click app with a webui built in.
in that case you’re looking for llamafiles. single file, llm included, starts into a web gui. the only limitation is that windows limits the size of executable files to 4GB so on that OS you’re limited to smaller models.
Alpaca for linux is easy to use. You just install the flatpak and the llm of your choice. You dont need to know how to use github. (It might have a windows version but im not sure)
I thought they were a for-profit company all this time.
Pretty much non-profit in name only. Some shady hybrid model.
OpenAI sure seems like a case study in how to grift everyone by masquerading as a non profit whilst actually enriching yourself and your shareholders, causing a whole new class of societal problems in the process.
Lol like it wasn’t always.
Didnt they do this like a year ago
Yes, but I don’t think they made a profit so giving it another go
This is going to sound weird but so is the internet their icon suggests a chain of bodies eating out the ass of the one in front of them which to me seems apt for the product
Also not to make it all about asses but there’s also the goatse vibe
You forgot your eyes.
Ruh roh!
