Just to compare, this is the utopian dream for Toronto:

There are approx. 18 cars and trucks in that image.

They are taking up SIGNIFICANTLY more space, and are causing traffic.

Still, we keep saying, “give us more of this, please!”.

Insanity or stupidity?

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    Unpopular opinion: getting rid of cars is good, but if you’ve ever been to the streets of Amsterdam, it’s a bike nightmare.

    Streets are generally narrow, so bikers form a neverending swarm and barely regard the pedestrians. From a bikers’ perspective, you’re constantly riding in a flow, so you can’t really afford to stop or turn over for a break.

    Amsterdam should either figure out how to manage that flow, or expand the public transportation like buses and trams - which are really the most compact ways to drive people around.

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      13 hours ago

      And how would that nightmare be if everyone was in a car?

      Amsterdam doesn’t have much of a bicycle issue, really.

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      Having cyclists all around comes with all sorts of unwritten rules, people need to get used to it for it to function properly. Amsterdam has a lot of tourist that aren’t used to the bicycle-culture, don’t know the unwritten rules, and at the same time to local populace expects them to, so that causes problems. You’ll notice that other dutch cities like Utrecht and Groningen have it figured out much better, have a far smoother experience.

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        No matter how you cut it, I’d rather be hit or nearly hit by a cyclist than by a F150.

        Driving comes with WRITTEN rules and drivers can’t even seem to follow them like full stops at stop signs or pedestrians having the right of way at crossings. At least with a bicycle if some rules are ignored by either side the risks are far less deadly.

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      As a person who regularly cycles through Amsterdam (even the centre), the issus is tourist pedestrians. The city does a bare minimum to cater for these travellers, because most of the visits are temporal.

      As a cyclist and/or pedestrian, I am never frustrated by locals cycling or walking.

      The rule is “its harder for a cyclist to stop than a pedestrian, so be predictable with where you are going and we’ll all avoid an accident”.

      The flow people you walk about is a problem for travellers, not for locals.

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        Might be true - I haven’t been there for long enough to adapt. But in the hindsight it often felt like this rule was taken into an absolute where you might have to wait a solid minute to then swiftly run through the crossing, hoping you won’t be run over. And it’s way worse in the city center, yeah.