These schemes all have the same problem that reddit and Twitter have: they need me more than I need them. If your website or app or whatever won’t work if I’m not on the right device I won’t visit it, and that’s not a bad thing
These schemes all have the same problem that reddit and Twitter have: they need me more than I need them.
This sentiment comes off a lot like “it won’t affect me, I don’t care”.
Like, it doesn’t really matter whether you decide not to use these websites anymore. Nobody should have to put up with this shit. That’s why we take a stand against it.
If everyone who is informed about privacy and security boycotts I don’t think that will make much difference unfortunately. There are billions who don’t know or don’t care.
If I as an adult still had my mom telling me that’s enough internet for today, and taking away my laptop, I’d hate it but it would objectively be good for me. This is kind of a similar thing. I don’t like that these companies fuck up services I like but there’s no denying that me leaving reddit for example was overall quite positive thing to happen.
Yep, that’s the bargain I’m making. I’m way happier now that I’m not yelling at nerds on Reddit/Twitter/etc. The nerds on the fediverse are much less time consuming
I think it also goes back to the fact that Twitter et al are meant to be addictive, the way I don’t like giving up Twitter is the same way I wouldn’t like giving up smoking, which both alarms me and makes me ok giving those things up
I went back and visited leddit recently and it really does make me feel more angry/annoyed overall, it’s definitely changed but it’s also definitely not new either.
No doubt the lack of mod support is partly to blame but given that rage bait is essentially the most popular tool for engagement it wouldn’t surprise me if these social media companies try to play mind games in some way
It’s a bit more complicated than that, unfortunately.
What happens when Microsoft adds something to their web building tools that forces all visitors to websites using these tools to use IE? Or when your bank (or even worse, utilities) start requiring Windows and IE?
If my utility company requires me to have a Windows PC to get gas or electricity, then they can supply me with a Windows PC just for that purpose. If they want money from customers they need to provide ways for those customers to pay without specialized hardware/software.
What are they going to do, tell some 90 year old lady who has never touched a computer in her life that she needs to get online with an approved device to keep her light on?
if my utility company requires me to have a Windows PC to get gas or electricity, then they can supply me with a Windows PC just for that purpose
They won’t. Then what’s your plan?
What are they going to do, tell some 90 year old lady who has never touched a computer in her life that she needs to get online with an approved device to keep her light on?
No, they’ll tell her to pay via check/mail as usual.
But that’s a ridiculous argument anyway, because if there’s anyone that’s going to own an unmodified, store bought, “approved” device, it’s a 90 year old.
INB4 “I’ll just switch my appliances to electric and go off-grid solar.”
Good for you, hypothetical yet inevitable replier, you should absolutely do that. But that doesn’t solve the collective, societal problem. The real issue here is not whether it’s possible for individuals to resist or implement a workaround, but that it is fundamentally wrong for corporations to have that much or that kind of power in the first place!
The only actual solutions to the systemic issue must be legislative – this kind of abusive corporate power-grabbing has to be outlawed!
What are they going to do, tell some 90 year old lady who has never touched a computer in her life that she needs to get online with an approved device to keep her light on?
I’d be very surprised for one thing, because IE is no longer a product Microsoft supports in any capacity. I’d also be confused as to which tools the web hosting market just shifted to that they’re using Microsoft tools, there are monopolists out there I’m worried about but Microsoft isn’t my main one right now
It’ll probably end up worse than that. Turn off secure boot and Windows may still run, but it will no longer verify and all these sites will now refuse to work on your computer. So if you like to run Linux, even dual booting or running Windows in a VM for those things that absolutely require Windows won’t be good enough anymore.
Apples implementation of this doesn’t tell the website anything about the device other than “Apples approves”.
Google’s implementation will give the website direct information about the browser and computer. Which permits them to get granular and targeted on restrictions.
This reminds me:
If you want to see what happens when a company implements this system where they approve your usage and then warps it into a punishment system later by revoking their approval when youve been naughty, see minecraft chat reporting.
These schemes all have the same problem that reddit and Twitter have: they need me more than I need them. If your website or app or whatever won’t work if I’m not on the right device I won’t visit it, and that’s not a bad thing
Till one day your government will require it.
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This sentiment comes off a lot like “it won’t affect me, I don’t care”.
Like, it doesn’t really matter whether you decide not to use these websites anymore. Nobody should have to put up with this shit. That’s why we take a stand against it.
Exactly. There’s a good reason why we don’t, for example, allow people to sell themselves into slavery, even if they “consent” to it!
Then you’ve severely misunderstood what I wrote
That is exactly what I’m advocating for
I hope you will make the difference. Show em!
Dummy.
I don’t see why I should be the only one
If everyone who is informed about privacy and security boycotts I don’t think that will make much difference unfortunately. There are billions who don’t know or don’t care.
If I as an adult still had my mom telling me that’s enough internet for today, and taking away my laptop, I’d hate it but it would objectively be good for me. This is kind of a similar thing. I don’t like that these companies fuck up services I like but there’s no denying that me leaving reddit for example was overall quite positive thing to happen.
Yep, that’s the bargain I’m making. I’m way happier now that I’m not yelling at nerds on Reddit/Twitter/etc. The nerds on the fediverse are much less time consuming
I think it also goes back to the fact that Twitter et al are meant to be addictive, the way I don’t like giving up Twitter is the same way I wouldn’t like giving up smoking, which both alarms me and makes me ok giving those things up
That’s because our Fight Club requires that the glasses stay ON.
Can totally relate.
I went back and visited leddit recently and it really does make me feel more angry/annoyed overall, it’s definitely changed but it’s also definitely not new either.
No doubt the lack of mod support is partly to blame but given that rage bait is essentially the most popular tool for engagement it wouldn’t surprise me if these social media companies try to play mind games in some way
It’s a bit more complicated than that, unfortunately.
What happens when Microsoft adds something to their web building tools that forces all visitors to websites using these tools to use IE? Or when your bank (or even worse, utilities) start requiring Windows and IE?
If my utility company requires me to have a Windows PC to get gas or electricity, then they can supply me with a Windows PC just for that purpose. If they want money from customers they need to provide ways for those customers to pay without specialized hardware/software.
What are they going to do, tell some 90 year old lady who has never touched a computer in her life that she needs to get online with an approved device to keep her light on?
They won’t. Then what’s your plan?
No, they’ll tell her to pay via check/mail as usual.
But that’s a ridiculous argument anyway, because if there’s anyone that’s going to own an unmodified, store bought, “approved” device, it’s a 90 year old.
Then I’ll pay by check in the mail like a 90 year old and they can pay someone to open those checks.
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INB4 “I’ll just switch my appliances to electric and go off-grid solar.”
Good for you, hypothetical yet inevitable replier, you should absolutely do that. But that doesn’t solve the collective, societal problem. The real issue here is not whether it’s possible for individuals to resist or implement a workaround, but that it is fundamentally wrong for corporations to have that much or that kind of power in the first place!
The only actual solutions to the systemic issue must be legislative – this kind of abusive corporate power-grabbing has to be outlawed!
Thats exactly what they will do
I’d be very surprised for one thing, because IE is no longer a product Microsoft supports in any capacity. I’d also be confused as to which tools the web hosting market just shifted to that they’re using Microsoft tools, there are monopolists out there I’m worried about but Microsoft isn’t my main one right now
IE:Edge::Twitter:X
Microsoft tools are still very much used on the web, at least here in Washington there are a few state sites featuring the ✨aspx✨ framework.
Nice job sidestepping the actual fucking question.
It’ll probably end up worse than that. Turn off secure boot and Windows may still run, but it will no longer verify and all these sites will now refuse to work on your computer. So if you like to run Linux, even dual booting or running Windows in a VM for those things that absolutely require Windows won’t be good enough anymore.
It’s not just that.
Apples implementation of this doesn’t tell the website anything about the device other than “Apples approves”.
Google’s implementation will give the website direct information about the browser and computer. Which permits them to get granular and targeted on restrictions.
This reminds me: If you want to see what happens when a company implements this system where they approve your usage and then warps it into a punishment system later by revoking their approval when youve been naughty, see minecraft chat reporting.
Its a fixed identifier, it can be a replacement for amythimg to forcably identify users: