Gonna be tough to stop the creation of the camp since it’s in Cuba but there are orgs that are rolling out strategies to protect people in their communities from getting caught up in this. Check out your local orgs and see who is working on this and cooperate with them.
Internet search for ICE watch and your city or region would be a good place to start. And I know people hate Reddit but a lot of people on my local sub are talking about this too.
That’s what I thought people might say and was hoping people would be more upset then this =/
Good info, tho.
This was exactly the same approach the Australian government took with its ‘pacific solution’. Offshore detention into remote, hard to access locales, classify all reporting of ‘illegal immigration’ under national security laws. Makes getting news in and out nearly impossible.
I am upset about it but what else can we do? I think looking to follow the lead of those who have been working on this issue for longer is the right place to start at least. Maybe we will need to go further but first we need to connect offline.
Nice try FBI guy.
You caught me, I am a Fat Balding Italian. At least partially Italian.
I’m not Italian, but I am a Fat Balding Idiot so we’re all good.
Fbi is watching
Anything new good on netflix?
I’m not Italian or Balding, but I’m super fat.
Think the only ways to stop this is passing a bill prohibiting using money on GITMO like the Republicans did with the prohibition of spending money to close GITMO.
Or lawsuits.
Or the people take a stand.
I’m gonna be mad about it and have a negative opinion about the US.
Better then trying to deflect it on the democrats through some crazy mental gymnastics.
Sorry, I’ve been getting trolled since about 10PM last night.
I don’t know what gymnastics you’ve already seen, but I think they share some blame. I agree Trump proposing to send migrants to Guantanamo falls on Trump and Trump alone. However, Obama and Biden both campaigned on closing Guantanamo and claimed it was a priority for their legacy. Both had 2 terms each to do so. Both could have done so with executive orders without the need of congress. But as soon as they were elected you never heard about it again. Because Dems don’t want to close Guantanamo. They want to have an offshore prison where they can detain people without due process and torture them on foreign soil. Dems love the police state and Dems love military expansionism as much as Republicans. It would be a lot harder for Trump to send people to Guantanamo if the facility had already been shut down and turned over to the Cuban government. So its not the Democrat’s fault but it would not have been possible if they had followed through with their campaign promises. So fuck Trump and fuck Elon as well, but let’s not pretend the Dems actually have any intention of advancing a progressive or even a populist agenda because they don’t.
Also fuck the families of some of the 9/11 victims. They filed lawsuits to force everyone remaining in Guantanamo to get sentenced to death. This drug on and on. The site could not be closed while these last few remained.
Nah, I know who’s responsible. I just can’t do anything from my country. That’s a US problem. And Cuba I guess.
Neither side is good on this issue. Trump opened camps and Biden continued to use them.
Both sides. Interesting, take, never heard it before.
Im “both sidesing” this because on the issue of these camps the Biden administration continued to use them. Biden deported more people than Trump and partly that was done using these camps. If you don’t want people pointing out the democrats are just as guilty then the democrats have to choose to not be just as guilty
You very deliberately created a sentence rhat doesn’t tell the truth while being not incorrect.
There is nothing Biden administration did in 4 years that is even comparable to what Trump is doing, but because they also weren’t perfect and did some bad shit, you can technically say both sides bullshit as if you achieved something.
Well, I am ungenerous, by bothsidsing you actually helping the worst side, but I don’t know if that is your goal or not.
I already did, it didn’t work.
Many of us did. I hope we find each other on the other side.
If they stayed from bush to now. Throughout the Obama years and Biden years, first trump. They will probably stay for the next 20 presidents
Who are you people making this a left v right thing??? How is trump opening a concentration camp housing tens of thousands of people remotely similar to legacy prisons housing what, 36 people?
Bad faith - bad faith - bad faith.
Wait wut?!?
Is there a source you can link to?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/16368518
There’s a bunch, but I put an AP news, Rueters and NPR link above
No, but you’ll have a chance (maybe?) in 4 years to do something about it.
2 years to maybe do something, 4 years maybe to maybe do something better.
I dunno man…are you? I can’t afford to go to prison. I have three kids that rely on me for sustenance and a house. Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently. I’m emailing politicians, trying to make good points online, and protest. I think that’s all I can do right now. Now, if my family is threatened, or I can no longer provide for my family, then we’ll talk again.
Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently.
Woof. I remember saying that back in 2017. Four years later…
I think we’re starting to see in real time why nobody stopped Hitler either.
The people in power that are supposed to stop this aren’t. AOC is trying to rally people, but not sure how effective it’s going to be yet.
Anything you do as an individual is likely to fail and only make things way, way worse. So you tell me man…what should I do that I’m not already doing?
Nothing. It ain’t on us to fix shit. Our side of things has been broken since before any of us were born.
Would your consider your family threatened when we have inflation at obscene, never-before-seen rates?
Honestly? Probably not.
Will it suck? Absolutely, but me and my wife make great money and just consolidated a bunch of our stuff to buy our forever home. We’re liquid probably $100k, and that’s not even touching retirement finances or other investments. I 100% want to help where I can with protesting and organizing stuff, but I won’t be in a state where I’m willing to be Luigi 2.0 anytime soon. Like. Even if we were to both lose our jobs, we’re comfortable for at least 2-3 years before we have to start worrying.
Congratulations on your success. I hope what’s coming doesn’t touch you too badly. I mean it.
Joining an armed resistance has a high chance of death. Turns out a lot of people like being alive. I can see why other countries saw a bit more resistance too, when your country voted for it there is probably an impression many support it
Yup. I’ve seen in my own family. Started in November with the anti Nazi talk. Then around Christmas the Biden whataboutisms started: Yeah but Biden is actually doing stuff Trump started so they are both bad. Now I am hearing the same points @alteon made. Anything to keep from doing the right thing and fight fascism bc I have an early meeting, the kids have soccer practice, well I don’t see any of it so its not as bad as the internet makes it sound, blah blah blah.
And the US is about 28 times larger than Germany, making it even harder for people to travel to a focal point of power to resist.
Those who could do something about it won’t.
Those who would do something about it can’t.
Recommenting from another post:
I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.
Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:
America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/
I dunno, what’s your plan?
Write lots of scathing comments online
Go to the Winchester, grab a nice cold pint and wait for this all to blow over.
Okay. But dogs CAN look up!
I’ll meet ya there in a bit.
A consideration to the ending of slavery in the United States was the advent of photography. Film was used to share the horror of the Nazi concentration camps in WW2 because they knew there would be people who deny history. Israel denied access and targeted journalists in Gaza for over a year for a reason.
Public perception sways from indifference to protests when they can’t look away from the destructive results. It’s the whole reason black sites like Guantanamo Bay exist in the first place and were used to hold extradited citizens without due process for years, they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and they haven’t sworn oaths to it and will do everything they can to hide their crimes.
@[email protected] Just pointed this out. We already see the horror every day. Aint nothing going to happen.
Already did it. Got the fuck out. It’s not like I can swim to Gitmo.
Yeah, I voted for Harris. Unfortunately, 6.27 Million 2020 Biden voters did not do the same.
If they wanted to vote for a right wing reactionary they would have voted for Trump, not the one pandering to his base.
Enjoy Fascism then, innocent blood is on your hands.
The blood is on the hands of anyone that supported the duopoly. Fascism has been here but liberals have been too distracted at brunch to pay attention. Everytime they accept ‘lesser evil’ they are accepting incremental fascism…
The USA is a first past the post system.
The choices were good and bad. “Not supporting the duopoly” gave fascism. You’re effectively a fascist, that is your impact on the world.
The choices were shit and shit regardless of who won, the red fascist or the blue fascists.
Let me key you in- everyone thinks you’re a shithead. No one gives a fuck how sanctimonious you feel for “voting your conscience” when it’s clear you and people like you allowed the worst possible option to assume power.
Because your “purity” is doing fuck all for the people that are going to go to camps, have their healthcare fucked with, their entire lives upended.
Sincerely, eat shit.
It sounds like somebody got triggered, liberals put Trump into power by being ineffective at governing and ratcheting all of the Republican right-wing legislation that’s put in place over the last 50 years. If liberals bothered to hold their own politicians accountable and refuse to support them when they did actions that directly targeted the working class, someone like Biden or Trump would never have had the opportunity to come into office.
Yours is the party that is willing to overlook a genocide and in some cases deny that there is a genocide, a party that labeled protesters to that genocide as terrorists. That has laid the groundwork and built the foundation for things like mass deportation, militarizing police departments which Trump will now weaponize. Liberals that spent 50 years accepting small amounts of lesser evil which in turn accepting incremental fascism.
This is a bed that liberals have made for themselves and the rest of the country and now they’re really uncomfortable with it. They love talking about purity tests while allowing their own politicians to get away with everything that they want to because they know that liberal voters are ignorant enough to keep coming back and elect them, because they have no red line, they have no backbone.
Liberal voters are so ineffective at creating change they target the symptoms of a corrupt system and not the system of exploitation itself. In case this is not clear, Trump is a symptom of a corrupted system. And by refusing to address that corrupted system that their party is part of. They continue to harm the marginalized communities that they constantly virtue signal for. But it’s very difficult to see that harm that you are inflicting when you’re busy at brunch when your president is in office
Simple I couldn’t vote due to. Kamala deciding to stay silent in my offers. I don’t align with speeches but visions. I asked for a private dinner to discuss these future.
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ok, so the answer is ‘no’ for you, then
I saw your deleted comment, so a bit more information. I am currently working with NATO and The UN. Though I can’t ally with a leader who won’t be transparent and meet for a private dinner. In my inherited culture it’s not only a sign of respect but deeply ingrained in history. When tacticians and leaders would meet. It’d be a beautiful and detailed feast. With discussions of plans and otherwise. Most people here act in haste, btw no offence. Voting for a leader is much more than a face, or speeches. To properly vote for someone. One must understand them and to me. That is hearing them face to face speaking. I also contacted Trump with a very bold message. Like how I thought he was the reincarnation of Hitler. Though I came to question certain things but even then. I offer my services as a tactician for hire. Though I will make sure all your ideas are done ethically. You can probably guess he didn’t answer since he only wants loyalist. But I was never going to vote for him for sure.
Right yes I actually meant to ignore you and comment on the next person down.
Understood. Though if that comment “Fascism is on your hands” was to me. As stated here I’ve already prevented a take over of our government once. Alongside in communication with NATO and The UN and China. To help prevent fascism and expansionism. Though it is only if they decide to listen. So in the end it is on their hands if they do not listen. I am doing my best to prevent or halt events but one can only do so far.
Poll aggregates projected a trump victory the entire cycle. It is not just suppression or intimidation, it is that we who did vote did not manage to convince everybody else to vote with us.
And far more didn’t vote at all.
Let’s stop acting like we’re so surprised. Millions were told repeatedly what would happen and they did. Not. Care.
This is America. In all its ugliness. We truly need to own it because enough people here did not care.
Thats what I said, they didn’t vote at all. Trump votes did increase but only barely. The DNC voters just stayed home because everybody shits on them online.
Just because they voted for Biden does not mean they were registered Democrats. A lot of people turned out for Biden because we were hot off the first Trump term so a lot of leftists/progressives/independents voted for Biden when they normally wouldn’t have. Unfortunately they have memories the size of a goldfish’s or legitimately hated Biden and didn’t turn out this time.
By DNC voters I meant people who voted for the DNC in 2020, explicitly.
Do you live in one of the 7 states where that even mattered?
It matters for all of us, we have a way to contact the whole world at our fingertips.
What we desperately needed and still need now is to support the DNC without fail, to convince people to vote blue no matter who. With better outreach we can right all the wrongs, with 60 D senators we can pass everything needed to fix this nation.
The Blue no matter who thing is how you got here. It’s not a good strategy to always be like ‘the other guy is literally Hitler’, also, we’ll copy some of Hitler’s border policies, and we’ll go on the campaign trail with some of the people that enabled the previous guy that we called Hitler.
If you want to get people that aren’t just committed democrats to vote for you, you need to offer them something, don’t just say the other choice is worse.
The Trump votes barely changed, the Democrat votes decreased.
How we got here is explicitly exactly the opposite of us voting blue no matter who.
