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not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Microblog Memes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 17 days ago

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not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Microblog Memes@lemmy.worldEnglish · 17 days ago
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https://aus.social/@aby/114578153927501416

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    They don’t even really care about punishment, I’d say the real driver for the prison system is just the need for labor and the loophole of enslavement. Most of the plantations that were major holders of slaves are now prisons after all.

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      I hate the prison industrial complex as much as the next guy, but, you gotta sauce on plantations to prisons?

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        https://www.hbrucefranklin.com/articles/from-plantation-to-penitentiary-to-the-prison-industrial-complex-literature-of-the-american-prison/

        This is from 2018.

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        Lmao, my bad on not getting back to you, but the other feller’s link is pretty much a good summary. Adding a few though because that article doesn’t list which ones have undergone the evolution, lol.

        https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/05/01/prison-plantations

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm

        https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/

        https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2009/apr/15/slavery-haunts-americas-plantation-prisons-by-maya-schenwar/

        https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-prison-plantations/

        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/5-ways-prisoners-were-used-for-profit-throughout-u-s-history

        https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/07/29/will-the-reckoning-over-racist-names-include-these-prisons

        Our government loves to use what it has in terms of resources for as close to free as it can manage. From a purely Machiavellian and pragmatic perspective, it’s sensible, even if it’s utterly reprehensible.

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          Okay, yeah, I knew about that. State pen where I grew up was a farm. The majority of plantations didn’t become prisons, it doesn’t take that many people to farm anymore. Modern farming is often a high skill job driving heavy equipment.

          A few plantations became prisons, but the majority didn’t. Slavery is totally okay, by the constitution, for prisoners. Too bad they didn’t put in anything about rehabilitation.

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            When I said “major holders” I meant some of the Largest plantations were converted, rather than a majority of All plantations, sorry for not being clearer. I would agree that they genuinely don’t need as much labor due to ag-science development. However, I was also trying to convey what this map https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/ shows in words. The main theme of “which plantations” got converted mostly has to do with soil quality due to the Mississippi River delta over eons than it does with race or useful and efficient placement of reform facilities. Sorry for not thinking to go find the map yesterday, lol. (Also upon review this isn’t even the map I thought it was, though pertinent and I may add more, lol.)

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