I just realised, I can’t post anything on lemmy.ml
So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there’s a new moderator.
All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned
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Coming from Reddit, the very existence of this thread is a breath of fresh air. That there are mod logs at all to be able to document this, that there is a place where it can be posted that is not under control of the mods being criticized, is an enormous improvement over an unaccountable centralized platform.
The other beautiful thing is that if you aren’t satisfied with the behavior of mods and admin on one instance, there are literally hundreds of others to choose from. You aren’t stuck dealing with bad actors if you want to participate. And if moderation of a particular community upsets the users, they are free to move to or create a similar community on a different instance.
The major downside of this is that it’s going to create echo chambers, but that’s unavoidable. It’s not like this is a new problem. Communities that reject outside ideas outright have existed long before the internet.
Fuck these tankies man. I’m as leftist as they come and I HATE what these people are doing to the cause. We want healthcare and equal rights, and these loonies are dragging us all down with their fascination for those horrible fascist regimes (it takes 2 braincells to realize the CCP is 1984 incarnate).
I’m a progressive who thought I was moderate for the longest time because tankie rhetoric on the left. I fully recognize now though that the tankies are a laughable minority. They’re just a bunch of loud people on the Internet.
I’m at the same time horrified and fascinated by them. I saw a comment that accused NATO of causing he war to “drag on”. When I brought up that Russia could just leave, I got people unironically replying that Ukraine was the aggressor in the war and that it was Ukraine committing genocide and attacks on civilians. I understand that I could be trapped in a western bubble… but really? I didn’t bother asking for a source because I’m sure the only source for that misinformation is the Kremlin. What’s crazy is that you would think the Russian shills would be spread out trying to infect other communities with disinformation, instead they all flock to this echo chamber apparently, so it seems likely that they genuinely believe this stuff.
They know it’s bullshit. The United States in this instance is doing the largely correct thing. However historically that hasn’t always been the case. Were usually the ones attacking and destabilizing other countries. South America, Hawaii, the middle east, Korea, Vietnam and on and on. Anyone that opposed US homogene as pushed by wealthy oligarchic fascist throughout American history. Has historically met and unfortunate end.
Realistically in this instance Russia is much closer to what the United States has been historically. Than they are any Ally of leninist regimes. But to leninists. They are the enemy of their enemy and an ally of convenience. Because overall outside of World War II etc. The United States has been the biggest constant enemy to much the rest of the world.
1984 was based on the Soviet Union
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Yeah, us Americans have got fucking up democracy covered pretty well.
that and Nazi Germany. Or as Orwell said it was… Totalitarianism.
Yeah, he was basically warning Socialists off getting in bed with Stalinists and similar regimes just because their causes appeared to align. The cure must not be worse than the disease.
i would argue that he saw the soviets as the bigger threat at the time, considering the Nazis got beat a few years beforehand and a lot of the left in the west were fanboying the Soviet Union at the time (1947-1948)
You are missing the point of the book IMO. The threat is not necessarily external.
It was pretty easy to see totalitarianism as a dangerous global trend at the time, since it was in Germany, Italy, Spain, Soviet Union, China, Eastern Europe. Apart from Eastern Europe, these countries all “chose” it for themselves.
I never said anything about the threat coming from the soviets, after all it was never about Russia invading the UK, but rather he modelled the dystopian government based on the inner workings of the Soviet Union, because he witnessed it during his time in Spain before the Stalin aligned republic and the anarchist split.
He was a socialist which contrary to American reactionary rhetoric is incompatible with communism.
Modern capitalist Russia is closer to 1984 than Soviet Union. Fuck Putin.
no, fundamentally the only thing that really changed is who the inner and outer party is
No. For one SU did not have oligarchs. Also SU had really good(for its time) healthcare and education, while Putin’s mafia closed or defunded few orders of magnitude more hospitals and clinics, than opened, many schools work in 2 shifts, some even 3. UR has party in it’s name, but it lacks ideology. “Steal money here, spend it in the West, luxury for members, misery and poverty for everyone else” hardly counts as one, it is literally description of mafia.
For one SU did not have oligarchs. where did the Oligarchs come from? the first wave of oligarchs came from the Russian political elite, basically claiming what was “theirs” during the communist government, now sure, most subsequent Oligarchs came about because Yeltsin and later Putin wanted to strengthen their own supporter base among the oligarchs, but all we are seeing here is what used to happen totally inside the government (because the government was the primary economic power) is now happening in a hybrid approach of government+“market”.
where did the Oligarchs come from?
From organized crime groups.
the first wave of oligarchs came from the Russian political elite, basically claiming what was “theirs” during the communist government
Yep. Oligarchs came into existance after union collapse. And usually not political elite, but beaurocratic elite also called nomenclature.
You ironically have a post saying that Muslims are culturally terrorists and all Muslims need to fall in line with French cultural authoritarianism. Totally not tankie behavior, just regular normal, “leftist as they come” behavior, right?
https://lemmy.world/comment/2941761
You sound like another run of the mill racist, bigoted liberal who wants to smear the leftist label by LARP’ing as one for the sole purpose of attacking leftists.
Muslim is not a race, just as Socialism is not a race. The idea that religion deserves special treatment needs to die.
this thread is just you stalking people and copying their comments. can you do me? maybe the one where i enjoy watching mobiks getting blown up in drone videos, that seemed to upset a few tankies
What?
In typical internet fashion, rather than read these mod logs and decide who was right, I’m just going to say “down with the CCP” a bunch of times there and see if I get banned.
typical internet fash
I laughed
The real, cool, interesting content that isn’t worthy of deletion at all
Obviously I’m going to post it when relevant, not in reply to beef stroganoff recipes.
Oddly specific. I’d like this to become a new meme please. The beef stroganoffadors will have no idea what’s going on.
CCP delenda est
Looks that way, and who cares?
Those of us who want to freely discuss geopolitics without fear of getting banned care.
There are multiple world politics communities and multiple other news/politics communities that also discuss world politics. One community going ban happy is irrelevant.
Then do it from a different instance? Who cares what they do on one specific instance? Fuck them and all, but it’s their instance. Complaining about it flies in the face of what lemmy is entirely about.
Or do I not understand the entire point of lemmy?
Totally transferring to another instance and losing your post history is kind of a shitty solution when they could just not have authoritarian moderators instead. They’re also Lemmy’s developers.
You can always observe and research the instance you’re about to create an account on to protect yourself from unpleasant surprises.
This is not a new development for lemmy.ml.
I joined back in June and lemmy.ml was absolutely doing all of this shit back then. Anything even mildly critical of China was banned for “orientalism.” They’ve never been shy about the fact that their instance is run by tankies.
Totally transferring to another instance and losing your post history is kind of a shitty solution
You don’t have to do that, though. You can just post on a different instance from your normal account.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe instance admins can remove your content that’s posted to another instance.
They cannot. But, if you created a community on your instance it must align to the instance rules and admin can moderate it (does matter who posts there).
The second, smaller, issue people will associate you a bit with the instance you selected for your account (even if it was by chance).
And?
And I just explained it. Do you want it in Spanish or something?
I fail to see the problem after I explained that you’re free to post elsewhere. I too have a sign-in with them. But because of their dumb shit- I left and don’t post from there anymore.
That’s how lemmy works. That’s the entire point of it.
You’re free to abandon your account and they’re free to not hire authoritarian moderators. Why should it be on you and not them?
who cares?
Those of us who want to freely discuss geopolitics without fear of getting banned care.
Then do it from a different instance?
To move to another instance you have to be aware of the issue. To be aware of the issue you have to care about it.
it’s their instance. Complaining about it flies in the face of what lemmy is entirely about.
Or do I not understand the entire point of lemmy?
Maybe just one half. True, one half is that every instance can do what it wants.
The other half is, that users can do what they want. In order to be able to do what they want, they need information about instances.
People speaking up about what many people would consider frown-worthy instance behaviour is an important part of that process.
We are free to warn each other.
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Is this a mod or modteam of a few communities, or is it a global mod outside of community mods?
I’m not shure how to read the modlog.
Currently only on world news lemmy.ml
I unsubscribed from world news on lemmy.ml as soon as I heard about them being tankies. Lemmy.world has the same community with mostly the same posts anyway.
I mean this really upsetting since they have c/technology and c/privacy communities. Someone might post something like high-tech surveillance of actvtists or Uyghurs
There’s a reason I don’t mod any communities on that instance. I don’t understand why other people would either.
Too bad It’s impossibe too see wich mod is doing what.
It could be a general lemmy.ml policy, it could allso just be that the first worldnews mod is opiniated , and chose his own modteam for worldnews.Too bad It’s impossibe too see wich mod is doing what.
Can’t users see which moderator/admin removed content in the modlog?
It just says mod/admin on lemmy.ml , on kbin you can see the mod-username.
So what’s the problem? It’s a ban-happy three-person mod team shaping a community. There are other communities with the same explicit subject. When a community’s mods move it in a direction you don’t like, you join or make a different one, and the nature of Lemmy means they haven’t even camped an important community name.
It’s not even a particularly tankie sub, there’re posts calling Russia warmongers still up and at +82. Seems like most of the removals were posts trying to pick fights. And while tankie bashing is often fun and warranted, it’s not really extreme censorship to say that’s breaking a rule saying “everyone should feel welcome here”.
My ban shown on the screenshot is a site ban
I’m not shure how to read the modlog.
- Visit the instance in question, for example https://lemmy.ml/
- Scroll to the bottom or Ctrl+PgEnd, click on “Modlog”: https://lemmy.ml/modlog (as you see, you can also just append /modlog to the URL)
- Filter by action, or filter by user. For example, enter your own name to see if you have been banned
This way, I just found out I’ve been banned on lemmy.ml for this comment which surely is snarky, and technically disrespectful. They did not ban Krause (parent comment). So I guess spreading lies is fine as long as you do it “respectfully”. Speaking up to that gets you banned.
Yea, that’s just a proper response to the parent post. Now I agree that lemmy.ml is an instance to avoid.
Lemmy and Lemmygrad were originally run by the same team on the same server. They’ve moved to different hosting providers these days, but I guess the tankies are crossing the boundary.
.ml is fine for shitposts, but don’t trust them on things like news and discussions if there’s even a remote risk of (anti)communism being brought up.
A meme I just saw mentioned Tiananmen Square on lemmy.ml, the comments were an absolute dumpster fire
The creators are known to lean towards tankie rhetotic and I‘ve read they chose .ml because of Marx and Lenin before. That rose concerns from the beginning so it‘s hardly surprising a moderator there would do this. It is very concerning nonetheless and threatens to throw the creators‘ work into jeopardy because at that point you might as well use twixxer or whatever it‘s called now.
To be clear, I agree with lemmy.ml on this, but I’m not interested in arguing that stance.
Instead, I think the more important piece of this is that this just further validates the fact that people should be using smaller instances. A more diverse set of Lemmy instances allows defederation to be used more freely as an actual moderation tool.
Someone who posts something an admin on another instance dislikes may see themselves banned from appearing on that instance, which when you have just two or three large instances serving all the content, is an effective shadowban on 1/3rd of the platform. More smaller instances minimizes the impact of defederation, banning, etc.
Anyways, stop only using lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, kbin.social, and lemmy.ee. It’s fine to start out there, but find a niche and an instance that fits that niche, then move over there. If you’re making a community, consider putting it on a smaller niche instance that would more specifically fit your content and federating it to the bigger instances manually.
We’re all power users in here, so it’s not as if it’s a big deal to move, though apparently 0.19 will have some tooling to assist in that.
The problem is that smaller communities have less content. Yes, they federate with larger communities, but they only pull data every so often. My first fediverse account was on kbin but the fact that it’s so difficult to have active conversations there (plus the hard coded invisible porn filter) made migrate to lemmy.
People who crave activity will naturally centralize.
It was always a tankie den. The Lemmy developers are very openly tankies.
They held their heads relatively low during the whole Reddit exodus, but that’s about it.Here are some examples: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/is-lemmy-still-a-tankie-platform-or-are-there-actual
Reading this really troubles me. I don’t like the implication that using lemmy is pushing authoritarian ideology.
If I was born 50 yrs earlier I would literally have been put in the gas chamber. I tick several qualifiers for it.
I think you mean 80 years. Unless there were genociding gas chambers in 1973 I haven’t heard about.
(And I would have been put in one too, just not in 1973.)
[email protected]: >If I was born 50 yrs earlier
FlyingSquid: >I think you mean 80 years
You presume to know his/her age?
Actually, I just misread.
Yeah, that happened to me once too.
OK maybe twice.😋
Yes, it might sound worrisome, but I dont think you are pushing authoritarian ideology by using Lemmy. The code itself is fine. The code is not authoritarian. The server which hosts your account is also not authoritarian.
Lemmy is, right now, the best alternative for a reddit-like platform. It is something created for the users, by the users. By using lemmy, you are not enriching the wallets of the shareholders. By using something like reddit, you provide content and a select few get to buy a new yacht.
Also, plenty of people are contributing code to lemmy. It is no longer just these 2. The code is also Open-Source. Anyone can fork it and create a new version of lemmy, with compatibility with the current version of lemmy. By using lemmy, you are allowing the possibility that, at any time in the future, someone else comes and says “I have some ideas to improve lemmy, let’s do this on my own terms”, forks it and continues the work without massively spliting the community.
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I really enjoyed reading your explanation. Thank you very much.
This calms me down quite a bit. :) have a good day.
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Fuck I had no idea, why can’t we just have nice things.
If that’s true, the advantage of our decentralized Lemmy is: People could just ditch this instance and switch to a different one.
Yes. People who just consume content can easily switch. But for people who create content this is not that easy, especially for users who created communities there.
I agree it sucks but at least you have that option considering the nature of the Lemmy project.
Lemmy ml has always been radically pro-fascist, honestly it’s your fault for having made communities there. Start again but this time make sure the server is someone trustworthy
The most popular (?) Open source software community is hosted on Lemmy.ml
Time to make another one popular in another instance then
What? I don’t have a community, I’m not even a moderator. I’m trying to help lemmy to grow by populating small communities because there are a lot of people complaining because lack of content.
Then do not invest your time in communities hosted on lemmy.ml (if you do not agree with the instance ideology).
I’m quoting your comment
Yes. People who just consume content can easily switch. But for people who create content this is not that easy, especially for users who created communities there.
Look there community on lemmy.ml who might have similar things to say about China or Uyghurs. Do they have to move?
Misread, mb, but the point stands like the other commenter said
I’ve already done that twice. It’s annoying, and a pain in the ass to reset subscriptions and blocks. If I am forced to do so again, I don’t know if I will. I doubt I’m alone in this feeling.
For me, 4th time’s hopefully the charm
The Lemmy devs are tankies so of course the instance the devs run is gonna follow tankie ideology
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Fascists aren’t morally healthy humans. Authoritarians can’t cope with social reality, where different people can have different opinions and loyalties and yet support each other. They always seem to end up succumbing to patriarchal cults, where Lenin-Hitler-Mao-Trump gets to do whatever he wants to your sons and your daughters, and you and your working class have no recourse.
Remember children, anything authoritarian (especially when talking about the left) is now “fascist.” This totally isn’t a maneuver in the right-wing fascist playbook to water down the term “fascist” to push for greater acceptance in the idea of fascism in the general public that we’re seeing today.
You’re acting like this is a right wing play, but the tactic of using fascism as an insult toward left wing parties actually has precedent even within left wing politics. [Before world war 2, even.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism#:~:text=Social fascism (also socio-fascism,dictatorship of the proletariat and)
Replying to everyone’s comments, comment history stalking, being a tankie, bro, literally go touch grass.
Dude, you’re just as transparent as you are shallow.
From my experience it was the leftists who started to call everybody and their mother fascist.
So there could be no different outcome from this.
…Dude. Do you want to, I dunno, read about the purges of loyal communists by Stalin in the 30s and 40s? Can you explain to me how that’s significantly different from the Night of Long Knives?
Well obviously one was done by fascists and the other was done by communists.
Comparing two really different ideologies with just one aspect / event and saying they are essentially the same is not really the way to go. Coming from a country that has a history with liberal capitalism, state socialism/communism and fascism I feel like its really unsettling how you are throwing together the different ideologies.
Communism and Fascism are really different in as many aspect as they are similar. Especially because fascism and communism both really vary from the specific context they got to power. Like fascism in austria was different from fascism in germany or communism in china is different than it was in poland.
Stalin wasn’t a communist. He had the Bolsheviks assassinated. He was an imperialist.
He got into power through the Bolsheviks however. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. There was similar with the Nazis in Germany, but I see that more as left wing infighting making them blind to a far right threat.
I you want to talk about how they got to power, well, fascists usually got there by votes, and communists by revolution. It’s rare–but not unheard of–for a communist gov’t to be voted into power.
But the end results end up being remarkable similar; they’re both dictatorial, and both use state-sponsored violence to suppress or eliminate competing political ideology. (I want to be clear that I’m not talking about Marxism specifically; Marx was opposed to the existence of a state. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, et al. were authoritarian.) As long as you are part of the political in group, you’re golden. Once you’re out, you’re an enemy of the state.
Nothing in my post is defensive of Stalin, you fucking buffoons.
I’m not surprise by this. Seeing how Lemmy has a hard coded wordfilter specifically to discourage “right-wingers” from using it. They did remove it. But still, it’s not a good look.
They hardcoded it because there were no mod tools back then, and the repo was basically lemmy.ml.
I don’t think we should look at this anymore.
They did once. They totally not going to do something like it again. /s
Beauty of FOSS is anybody can just remove it.
If someone removes it.
EDIT Just don’t do it in the first place. So some third party don’t have to remove the shit from it.
But they’re not doing it. You’re just freaking out because they could, hypothetically do it. And then you’re getting angry because your hypothetical admins - who are in your head - are doing it, which you MADE them do - because, again, this is all a scenario in your head.
From the first link:
Edit: This comment was written [in 2020] at a time when Lemmy the software was practically identical with the lemmy.ml instance. At that time we barely had any moderation tools, so it was an easy way to keep some groups of users off the instance. Now its different, there are good mod tools, and many different instances. So we removed the slur filter in Lemmy 0.14.0 (instance admins can optionally configure one, which lemmy.ml does).
So basically some developers working on a pet project took a shortcut at a time when other features were being prioritized. Let’s not make this particular item out to be more than it is. I think it serves the conversation better to focus on what the post is about which is widespread bans on certain content.
Okay. Why didn’t they say that in first place? Why say, “because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy.”? It’s like they edited the comment to make them and Lemmy look better.
I’m not saying their original statement wasn’t what they meant when they said it. My only point is that hard coding things is a common development shortcut. Everyone knows that it’s bad practice, but when you’re developing software for basically your own use it doesn’t really matter.
Not only that, but Lemmy is open source. So anyone that is so inclined could remove the filter on their own instance if they really wanted to.
My opinion might change if I saw the list of banned words and it contained things other than common curse words and slurs, or only included slurs for one group. But without that, this just seems like a development decision in spite of the poor reasoning behind why they implemented it in the first place.
Now its different, there are good mod tools
This part is a lie. There are no good mod tools, only buggy non-functional mod tools.
The true scandal in all of this 😁
How is it “not a good look” to not want bigoted scum like yourself to use the platform they developed?
ooo yeah such a bad look when we can’t say slurs, that is what freeze peach is all about!! Not a very welcoming environment for cishet white dudes, the main characters of the world
