I read this as Gen Z doesn’t tolerate the boomer/older Gen X intolerant/racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic bullshit that younger Gen X/Older Millennials had to, and a lot of folks receiving this deserved pushback don’t like it.
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Thus…proving the point? “If a person thinks I can’t handle disagreement, I bet it’s because they’re some kind of asshole nazi or something! It would be wrong of me to tolerate a difference of opinion with them!”
If the only disagreement you can tolerate is irrelevant minutia, then you aren’t actually tolerant. “I’m totally tolerant, as long as our opinions don’t differ on race, culture, gender, sexual relations, work, religion, or politics” is pretty weak sauce.
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if you hold a view that is intolerant, I will not tolerate you. simple as. we don’t have to agree but you can have basic fucking decency (don’t be racist)
Congrats you described the paradox of tolerance.
Yeah if someone thinks I and people I’m friends with shouldn’t exist than I’m not gonna want to work with them. American Republicans are actively trying to remove any legal protections or rights trans (and LGBT in general) people have, and anybody who shares their views is helping them along. Why on god’s green earth would I see that as anything less than an existential threat?
Interesting examples for irrelevant minutia. Pretty sure a lot of those things would be very important, particularly race, gender, and sexual orientation.
I mean those are pretty major things, especially if you’re part of one of the affected minorities. If I were trans I wouldn’t really want to work with a coworker who insists on misgendering me and makes a fuss out of me using the right bathroom.
If it doesn’t come up, it doesn’t come up. People can agree to disagree, also. But there are also cases where the disagreement is so fundamental that it makes it pretty hard to respect someone or even want to be in the same room as them.
Sure, it’s supposed to be major things.
There was a point where Europeans were massacring and torturing each other over religious differences, for centuries. Protestants and Catholics considered each other literal heretics, and mortal enemies.
Then they developed this idea of tolerance, and decided that your religious beliefs were your own business. And that worked amazingly well! We can all just get on getting on. This was a huge deal, protestants tolerating catholics and vice versa was every bit as hard as trans people tolerating transphobic people. But it worked, and eventually the differences faded into irrelevance.
And it turned out that the same attitude was great for progress in general: who you love and who you sleep with is your business, and after a decade or two: you know, we’ve all got pretty used to the idea of people being gay. They wanna get married? Sure, I don’t see why not. Tolerance was the basis of most progress in the past few centuries.
And now Gen-Z (or probably just terminally-online people, but as a ratio that’s more of Gen-Z than any earlier group) wants to flip the table. Tolerating ‘intolerance’ is practically a crime! Intolerance, BTW, is when you don’t have the correct set of opinions. People who don’t have the right opinions are monsters, and must be harassed, deplatformed, fired, etc. The wrong opinions are violence.
I’ve seen reactions to ‘bad’ opinions that I would call hysterical.
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You guys literally couldn’t be leaning into Gen-Z stereotypes any harder.
“Some guy says Gen-Z doesn’t have the ability to respectfully disagree.”
“Man FUCK that guy, I bet he’s an intolerant/racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic piece of shit, and that’s why he can’t get along with us, because it’s definitely not our problem!”
“Uhh, it sorta feels like you’re demonstrating that you really don’t have the ability to disagree.”
__ __ __ __ __ “Lol just cuz I reported a guy who said a thing that hurt my feelings, does that mean we can’t be friends?! Lol jk fuck you too buddy!”
No, sure, you’re totally right, you guys are a real delight to have in conversations and debates.
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Nailed it, except that older Gen X and boomers who weren’t part of the intolerant majority ALSO had to put up with all that bullshit.
Very good point that I should have included. Thanks!
Gen Z seem to lack the skillset to know their place. -boomer boss
Setting aside the fact that this is a generalization and thus naturally overstating things, I don’t doubt that there’s some truth to this.
There’s a sort of rigidly intolerant moralizing that arose on the internet over the last decade or so, most exemplified by Tumblr, and gen z was right in the middle of it.
It puts me in mind of the Victorian era, with a group of people who absolutely and unequivocally condemn anyone and everyone who violates their rigid sense of propriety, or more precisely, the stereotypes that they substitute for those people. Of course, the biggest difference is that they have a completely different set of rules to which they insist that all submit - instead of a religious morality mostly concerned with sex they have a secular morality mostly concerned with social behavior. But they share that absolutism - the smug certainty that their way is the only way and that any who believe otherwise are not only wrong, but due to the fact that they believe otherwise, so monstrous as to be unfit to even judge.
That last is the trap - the thing that sets that extreme of moralizing apart and keeps it going when it takes hold. Those who come to believe in it end up believing not simply that they’re right, but that believing as they do is the defining trait of people who are fit to judge the matter, so they then can and do reject any and all differing views out of hand on the basis that the mere act of holding a different view means that one is obviously an inferior being, and since one is an inferior being, whatever one believes is and can only be wrong. It becomes a closed loop, in which people aren’t even capable of considering different viewpoints.
And that’s presumably the quality that’s being characterized, and with some accuracy, as them not having the skills to disagree.
I’d note though that this is just one manifestation of the problem. It’s a new version of it, made possible by social media, and it appears to be notably widespread, and particularly in a relatively narrow age group, but the dynamic itself is likely as old as human civilization.
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Welp, Gen Z, it’s your time in the furnace I guess.
I remember when “Millennials are ruining everything” articles were the fodder for lazy writers, now it’s crap like this.
I remember when we killed Applebee’s? That was a fun weekend.
We just figured out we can microwave our own food
To be fair, Applebee’s needed to be ruined.
I agree but I’ll still miss the quesadilla burger. It was the only half-decent item in their menu.
Now it’s cap like this*
No, it’s more that the boomers/older Gen X treats any sign of even polite disagreement as attacks on their very character. Many of them simply cannot accept that their views are outdated, and any challenges to their view is a disrespectful slight.
It’s very telling that many of them still complain about millennials as children ruining everything to this day, when the oldest millennials are in their early 40s, and they are somehow shocked that Gen Z is even more progressive and vocal about their views than us millennials.
Not to mention some views of older folks are absolutely bigoted. But it’s the kids who are wrong, apparently.
It’s impressive, you’re absolutely everywhere :o
It’s rare for me to have this much free time, you’ll probably see a lot less of me here once work starts again.
You will be sorely missed then.
But not in my bedroom 🥲
Or maybe it’s because they have zero patience for people who can’t understand the idea of basic human rights?
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Have your nieces heard of internalized misogyny?
Hahahahahahahahaha. And WHO DOES?!?!?!
Take the world’s Big Four consulting firms, for example: Deloitte, PwC, KPMG, and EY are all offering incoming junior hires soft skills training, including lessons on how to speak up in meetings.Thats how you het taken off the fucking assignement… Jfc
Calling highers ups on what is likely purposeful corruption is no way to move up lol
No amount of fake training will fix this dynamic
A consultant who doesn’t speak up doesn’t keep their job very long.
OK boomer
I’m guessing someone got called out for being a right wing shit head and now his poor little feelings are hurt.
Channel 4 are one of the most progressive channels in the UK and she’s married to a man who works in renewable energy. I very much doubt she’s particularly right leaning.
Well, Labour is legitimately sliding right, and it’s become somewhat common among the so-called “left” in the UK to make a scapegoat out of trans people - it really wouldn’t surprise me that an older, liberal woman in the UK would have some right-wing things to say.
I’m not a big fan of Starmer, but he’s slid labour back from the far left to the centre, not to the right. I will accept your point on the trans issue though, otherwise left leaning women who should know better are acting as useful idiots for the right on that one.
The benefit cap is right wing.
Banning your MPs from joining picket lines is right wing.
Purging the left wing from your party -but leaving the right wing untouched- iis right wing.
You can only call Starmer centrist if your view is one from a right wing perspective.
The Overton window in the UK is too far to the right, as is our policy on almost every area. We need a strong push to the left to take us back to the centre, not a slightly watered down, more palatable version of Thatcherism.Well, I didn’t mean to say Labour is far-right or anything, just that they’re sliding in the direction of the right.
So you disagree then?
They must be gen z
Honestly this isn’t a gen z thing, it’s just a shit article thing. 70% of this piece is just this one fucking guy bitching about the “kids these days”
Ya, my boss is someone who always makes it about generation this and generation that.
It’s not about generations, if baby boomers had the technology we have today they’d have done the same stupid shit.
If the social contact was the same as it was when today’s old people were young, then today’s young people would be much more willing to put up with shit.
It’s fucking hilarious seeing a bunch of septics in here without a scooby about Channel 4 deciding it must be full of bigoted managers that the gen Z won’t tolerate. When it’s always been one of the most progressive channels in the UK and has been allowing diverse voices to shine for years.
Let me guess. The “different views” are bigotry, hatred and fascism?
Have you ever watched channel 4? They’re the least likely channel to have any of that in the office. It’s not GBNews.
I think you just demonstrated the criticism being made.
How dare I criticize someone for being a terrible person
Criticizing someone for terrible behavior they actually exhibit is one thing; assuming someone is a terrible person because they disagree with you about something is bigotry.
Everyone in this thread is jumping to the conclusion that it’s about politics, race, etc.
Meanwhile here’s me wishing the office Zoomer would shut up about the way I drink my coffee.
Sounds like you haven’t got the skills to disagree.
According to the OP, zoomer will never talk to you again if you disagree “hard enough.”
Just say “Has it ever occurred to you that everyone else drinks coffee wrong? I am the world’s best coffee drinker. Donald Trump and Elon Musk have both told me so on Twitter. In fact, Vogue magazine has been trying to schedule me doing a drink out for the last three years. I have denied going on the Joe Rogan Experience twice already out of principles. As you may have surmised, the topic would have been about the proper way to drink coffee. In fact, I know I was drinking coffee, correctly may I add, the exact moment of your conception. I know because that’s how great at drinking coffee I am. But thank you for your concern.”
Yeah but then you’re first on the list when the office needs a scapegoat.
Steve: someone shit in the pinball machine!
Gen Z: I bet that fucking Millenial Nazi did it
Kim, the actual pinball shitter: yep, definitely someone older than us Zoomers
