Everyone just loves untested forced updates. /s
I played a casual game and got kicked. If it was ranked, I would understand, but it was casual!
Few month ago in CSGO I played a casual game for flying scout. Went in, and I got instantly kicked by the 5 players of the team. Turn out I felt into a farming bot lobby and all 10 players where farming bots
Yeah, that happens with certain groups of people. Definitely not a CS2 issue, best you can do is go and play a different map.
They fixed most of it with a recent patch I think
I didn’t realize that they replaced cs:go with cs2 until I was home and noticed an update to install cs2… if it was an independent launch, that would not happen.
The only CS game I’ve played somewhat recently is cs:go, so I put two and two together (ha, pun), and groaned.
I thought valve was better than this.
If you want to downgrade your game to an old version, you can. In the betas menu.
It’s going to turn into the whole CS 1.6 thing all over again
its fine for me so far, but sometimes i get those moments where it lags for like 20 seconds straight and then it stops. i still dont know why its happening.
On my Slackware64 system cs2 runs the same as cs:go or xonotic used to run
Arms race is gone. Back to TF2 I guess?
Only game I ever played on Linux is literally Roblox lol
Sounds like a nightmare.
anybody that is in here complaining they can’t play this game on Linux should seriously evaluate their life choices, instead of whining maybe you should just install Windows
Because of comments like this I am missing the downvote button on my instance…
Why would you join an instance that censors adversity?
I joined lemmy.one when people started moving from reddit to lemmy. In the early days there was not much choice, either this one or the woke beehaw and some other “just started” instances with one or two people. (and lemmingrad ofc) I have recently switched to another one.
I gotchu dw
I guess wanting to play a game that’s replacing a game that runs well on Linux and is made by the company that has done the most to improve Linux gaming while using an OS that doesn’t spy on you and treat you like a toddler is a poor life choice according to you?
Maybe some of us have things we care about more than just maximum game compatibility. The horror.
If you’re gonna do something, do it right. If you’re gonna game, use Windows.
If you’re gonna do literally ANYTHING else, use Linux for that lol
No. I don’t think I will. I had a dual boot machine with both Windows and Linux on it for years for that very purpose. It sucked. I hated it. I eventually got most of my favorite games working on Linux and just stopped using Windows completely, and that was before Valve released Proton. If Linux gaming stopped working completely I’d go back to being a console gamer. I just dislike the experience of trying to use modern Windows that much, and it’s only gotten worse since I left.
If you don’t think that’s “right” then your opinion is worthless to me. You can do whatever the hell you think is right, and so can I.
So angsty. Windows has its quirks, but it does gaming better than any other OS, and that’s a fact, I’m sorry you don’t know how to use Windows but that’s a you problem, not a Windows problem.
I’m also not trying to troll, just being honest.
I’ve been using Windows since Windows 3.11. I’ve tried every new version of Windows that has come out since. You’re on an obscure open source reddit alternative. Nobody here is confused by how to open an Excel spreadsheet. If you think me not liking something is “angsty” that’s a you problem. Gaming on Linux is great, and I don’t care how it is on other operating systems. Don’t tell me to do things I don’t enjoy to have fun. That’s just stupid. Telling people that they’re wrong for having fun in a way you don’t approve of is just weird and bad.
I’m not telling you to do squat, I am simply stating facts.
I’m not calling you angsty because you don’t like Windows, I’m calling you angsty because of your angsty energy in your responses.
I get it that you’re passionate about Linux it’s pretty obvious, I am passionate about Linux as well however I’m not delusional to the point where I deny windows as the ultimate gaming OS.
My original point and the reason you started conversing with me is that anyone on here complaining about their games not running on Linux should probably spend their time better by installing a copy of Windows on their machine LOL
I didn’t join this community to read posts about people whining about compatibility issues for games that were designed to run on an entirely different operating system, that’s a given and if you run into compatibility issues well that’s the bed you made and you might as well sleep in it. I joined this community to read about other passionate Linux users who are enjoying playing games on Linux.
You joined to read about other passionate Linux user who are enjoying playing games on Linux, but none of them are ever allowed to complain about anything ever?
Also, just for the record, if you ever find yourself on the internet explaining how someone feels to them then you are wrong. No exceptions. Tone is notoriously interpretable over text. Your interpretation of my tone is not justification for childish insults.
And holy crap, not wanting to use Windows is not the same as a delusional denial of reality. There are problems on Linux. A lot less than there used to be, but still significantly more than Windows. That doesn’t mean the only valid options are never complaining or installing Windows, especially for a native Linux game. Which the game we are talking about here is, by the way.
I just want to play ZE. Valve please fix.
It’s a shame that Valve couldn’t get Steam to issue them a new AppID, so they had to delete CSGO in order to put CS2 on the store. It was the only way.
no, cs2 was always made to be update over csgo
Just read the offical blog post, it’s not a different game, but huge update over it
I even remember them saying that they will update CS:GO with source engine 2… Which they literally did.
People got mad because it got a new name too for beta testing. “CS:GO 2”
What? Oh no why deleting the old game
I bought CSGO in 2015 and never had the chance to actually install it, do I get some extra content in cs2 or everything is lost?
Everything is probably lost because it didn’t detect you playing it.
why deleting the old game
Because it’s a multiplayer game and they don’t want to split the userbase.
And why is that anyones problem but Valve’s?
Who else is hurt by having it split?
It doesn’t hurt the players to have it split, so it feels like you are defending anti-consumer business practices just because its Valve.
Players are hurt from having it split. Way more so than Valve. In fact, I fail to see why Valve would be gaining anything, they aren’t selling the missing parts.
When a game updates, do you keep matchmaking servers up for every old edition of the game? Place people in a different queue for every hotfix version they are on? When the game is updated often over a lifespan of 12 years? Then no one would be in any matchmaking, let alone enough people of your skill level.
If they marketed this as “CSGO: Source 2 engine update” people wouldn’t be whining, so I don’t understand why people go out of their way to make a big deal about this. We knew not all the content would be available at release when they completely rewrote and modernized the game’s code.
And no anti-consumer business practices involved. You CAN play csgo still, if you want to. Sure, it’s inconvenient to download an old version of the game to run, but it is also inconvenient to download an old version of any game to run in every case. Anyone saying CSGO is unplayable and “that’s unfair because I paid for it” is maliciously spreading misinformation.
I’m not defending anyone, it’s just a fact. In my opinion it would be tolerable if they didn’t cut content and if the performance was on par with the previous game.
You get a couple badges :)
If only valve had any power over what happens in steam… oh well…
The reason they did this is because they had a huge hassle getting everyone to move over back when they moved CS to the source engine. They didn’t want that hassle again, so CS2 is even installed in the CS:GO folder. This is the first time they’ve ever pulled anything like this, but the reasoning is because they didn’t want to create ANOTHER esport division, they just wanted CS2 to replace CS:GO for esports.
Ah, yes, the asshle known as consumer choice. Can’t have that. Good guy Valve.
It has nothing to do with consumer choice. It has to do with maintaining the servers and infrastructure to run these games. Patching and updating one game is way easier than doing it for multiple games. It’s the same thing that they did when CS went from a mod to a standalone game on Steam. Everyone was on the same version and, despite some people begrudgingly getting dragged along, was really what turned CS into the behemoth it was.
It’s the same thing that they did when CS went from a mod to a standalone game on Steam.
No it isn’t. Valve did not make CS 1.6, CS 1.6 was a user-created mod. Valve did then hire the mod makers to help make the Source engine (just like DICE hired the Desert Combat modders to make Battlefield 2), but Valve had no involvement with CS in its inception, nor its maintenance pre-Source. Hell, both CS 1.6 and CS:Source primarily ran on user servers, so there wasn’t even any significant upkeep costs.
CS 1.6 pre-dates Steam. CS:S was Valve, but both games did not have any servers or infrastructure to manage, beyond a simple exchange server that catalogued everyone’s game servers (also VAC, if the server host enabled it). It’s CS:GO that started having a big back end. Your point is valid, but only for CS:GO.
It’s kind of surprising how so many people in here have the history muddled.
I don’t have anything mixed up and you’re not right. The mod was only pre-Valve when it was still in beta. They hired Minh right around Beta 5. When Valve made CS 1.0 (way before CS 1.6) part of the official Valve catalog, they set up official servers but you could still set up community servers. When Steam came out, they required that it be run through Steam which forced everyone onto the same version of both the client and the server. You could still spin up your own server using an older version but you the game wouldn’t be listed in the game’s browser. You had to use Gamespy or HLServerWatch.
Steam forced everyone to update. It’s not 100% analogous to this situation but going from mod to standalone fractured the playerbase and codebase. This was clearly a move to prevent that from happening again. I’m indifferent to it but obviously everyone isn’t.
It’s about forcing everyone to switch
You can still play CS 1.6, you don’t even need clouds for that one. You can play CS source. In this case they wanted to carry the momentum live the good little service game that they are. Technical reasons are superficial smokescreens.
They know every time they made a release some people didn’t want to switch and stayed behind.
Yes, it is about forcing everyone to switch and I’m sorry but you sound completely ignorant of what goes into a game like CS that is used in professional esports. CS1.6 and CS:Source are locked codebases. There are no official servers for them. They are standalone server games only. They are not getting updates unless there are some major exploits. CS:GO is the official, active codebase and its the same codebase as CS2, upgraded to Source2.
It has nothing to do “clouds” (a term you’re not even using correctly) and technical reasons are the entirety of the reasons. They’re not smokescreens. They are exactly why they did what they did - to maintain 1 active codebase that everyone playing uses. That’s it. There’s no mystery or conspiracy.
They did this with 1.6 and the source Mac update previously. They’ve just completely changed the game and the feature set before it’s nothing new. This time they just change the name of the game with it, instead of claiming a balance patch.
That was not the reason. The reason are the skins. I only own a few skins (and old cases) and they a worth over 500 €. There are a lot of players with an inventory worth thousands. So, what now, after you release a new iteration? Clone every player’s Inventar? Forcefully transfer every Skin from CSGO to CS2? Or delete the old iteration. Valve did the last, same with Dota Reborn a few years ago.
We should condemn Valve for protecting their stupid gambling mechanism…
but the reasoning is because they didn’t want to create ANOTHER esport division, they just wanted CS2 to replace CS:GO for esports.
So Valve is fully on the “fuck the consumers, our esports money is more important” bandwagon, huh? I paid for CS:GO years ago, and this feels like some kind of bait and switch.
Like, who does having CS:GO and CS2 around at the same time hurt except Valve? Literally nobody. Nobody is hurt by having both games available.
They could have killed the official servers and still made it that CS:GO had to use community servers. Like, how would have that split the community when official servers would no longer exist?
Every reason people come up with comes down to: Valve is more interested in profit than honoring the fact that the game was on sale for six fucking years and free to play for five. It was a sold product for longer than it was a free product, but I guess everyone who bought a copy for six years running can go fuck themselves, according to Valve.
This is a joke, and the “reason” Valve had for it is a shitty anti-consumer reason. There is literally not a single reason they did this that was to benefit the people playing the game. Everything was about money and their esports division.
If you’re not upset about this, you’re a corporate bootlicking fucking idiot.
I don’t see it as very anti-consumer that every skin and statrak item has been brought along to the new game. I agree it would be nice to be able to play the old one, but I’d rather the option to torrent old clients and host my own dedicated server on the old one than be forced to upgrade to the new one. They don’t host it anymore, pirate away Who cares?
This release has sucked ass, CS:sources release sucked ass, Condition Zero as a whole sucked ass, and ask anyone old enough, the move to 1.6 from 1.5 sucked ass.
I still expect it to end up a good game, just like 1.6 and source eventually was.
I get why they’d do that but it’s a shame we can’t play CS:GO anymore like we can 1.6 and Source.
Not a shame dividing it another time, but you also can. It’s still a beta option.
The reason they did this is because they had a huge hassle getting everyone to move over back when they moved CS to the source engine.
You missed a generation there. CS 1.6 -> CS:Source -> CS:GO.
This isn’t in response to people not moving over to the Source engine, there wasn’t much issue with that - although 1.6 still lingered on for a long time and people did complain, many people were excited by the Source engine and all the new physics it introduced, so people did buy Half Life 2 (with CS:S) even if they preferred to play CS 1.6. However with CS:GO it was different, there were no significant new features except the hat-ification and skins along the lines of Team Fortress 2, also CS:GO was just a standalone game rather than bundled. So many people did not move to CS:GO.
there were no significant new features except the hat-ification and skins along the lines of Team Fortress 2
Skins and cases were not in release CSGO. The release and beta features of CSGO were supposed to be controller support and cross-platform play with consoles.
Whats with condition zero?
Think of the skins
Wait… what the fuck? Who cones up with those shitty ideas?
How about you make a game good enough that people switch from the older one willingly instead of forcing it down their throats?
You make older games better by updating them. This is an update.
Updates only make products worse, not better.
Lol
Because it was just an engine swap, not a new game.
they were never going to be able to release a totally new game without a lot of backlash from the
addictskin trading communities. They wouldn’t want to risk their free income from the whales by splitting the player base and eventually shunning the skin investors stuck on the old game.
I had an amazing time playing CS2 Saturday night. The only performance issues I had was in the Ancient map, when I’m near the water my fps tanks to 50fps from like 90 fps on high.
Good for you. I am waiting for my rig on geforcenow again. :(
I’m out of the loop, can somebody explain ?
The long awaited game Counter Strike 2 launched as an update to the old game Counter Strike: GO. Effectively deleting CS:GO from existence. Except that CS2 doesn’t work on every computer CS:GO used to work on. Meaning (at least for now) lots of people have lost access to their favorite game.
At least they can’t do that to TF2
Why can’t they? Other than the one dude working on it probably doesn’t have time.
Because that would result in TF3
3 in the name of a Valve game
Gaben bursts in
“What the fuck did you just say?!? Did I hear the blasphemed number uttered in MY HOUSE!?!”
That’s a solved problem. Just call it Team Fortress 2: Episode 1.
Or Team Fortress Alyx.
Welp you can just use no steam servers. And hope they are not full of hackers. And you cant play it officially competetive
And I can’t play faceit because that requires their stupid anticheat 😭
Why would you play faceit now that premier mode exists
Faceit is more competitive. It’s harder to get faceit lvl 10 than global. Also, last time I tried csgo, it wouldn’t let me do official server matchmaking because apparently it wasn’t supported on Linux yet. However, that was during beta so maybe it’s changed.
Premier mode if the new competitive pick and ban system with ELO, there is no global. Also official matchmaking now works with the full release
Ong why did they not just keep csgo on steam and release cs2 beside it or wait until cs2 is atleast playable on linux
to prevent fragmenting the player base
It IS playable on Linux. It ISN’T playable on computers over ~10 years old.
The game was unplayable on linux 2 days after release no matter how good your pc was. It is fine now though.
CSGO is still in CS2’s beta channel on Steam as csgo_demo_viewer or something like that, but obviously limited to community servers/offline play, no official dedicated servers.
Thank you! Tried almost every beta on the list, CS2 loaded every time.
May have something to do with keeping the appid the same. My guess is this was done because of how skins work on the backend. I don’t know for sure though. They should have done more testing on Linux however. It will be interesting to see what they do going forward.
To keep thousands of now irrelevant reviews, allow themselves to remonetize content and jumpstart a player base that now has no other choice but to switch.
Tbf they’re KEEPING ALL cosmetics unlike fucking overwatch
yo we’re not talking about blizzard, we’re talking about valve here and they are not scumbags like that, I think you’re being a little harsh
Hm, it’s playable for me
Same for me on fedora
I’m on NixOS
Running perfectly on Void
