So I want te find the most feature rich smartwatch that doesn’t send data to the manufacure. I have tried the Pinetime watch, but it died after 6 months.
Infinitytime (OS) was not realy that feature rish, so I want to secrufise an Open Source watch OS. But I still want to connect it with Open Source software, like gadged bridge.
What is my best option under €200? Maybe the Xioami Mi band 7 (€50) that is supported by gadgedbrigde?
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I know you mentioned infinitime, but the PineTime is seriously great and can be flashed with custom firmware to improve functionality. I have had mine for a while and flashed wasp os and then back to infinitime without it ever breaking. Worst case, you are out 30 bucks.
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I’m in the same boat. The buttons on my Pebble Time Steel are going, and I don’t know what I’m going to replace it with.
the Pinetime watch, but it died after 6 months.
Oof, that’s a shame. That was on my list of possibilities.
Ive been considering buying a new old stock “backup pebble” for when mine goes. Basically the perfect smartwatch
Yeah, there really is no decent alternative, yet. While I agree the LCD screen smartwatches look better and are more fancy, but I really like the e-Ink – always on, readable in full sun, and only having to charge it once a month or so. The hybrid idea is a decent alternative, but you lose customizable faces; I’m willing to sacrifice that for long battery life, though, so that’s probably where I’ll go next.
I don’t understand why there isn’t more of a market for e-Ink watches, though. I mean, there are a bunch of us, but apparently not enough to sustain a company.
Do consider that if it’s never been used, the battery may be so dead that you have to replace it. I have had to do this with a new one I bought, and it seems to be a common issue for new old stock.
I got two Xiaomi bands, I think it was band 4, but neither work after like two years
Also sleep tracking sucks with gadget bridge, it was better with notify, so at that point it’s crap hardware with closed software
Been pretty happy with my Garmin Instinct. It has a cloud connection of course but seems pretty decent privacy wise.
Their support is top-notch as well. My Instinct started having serious battery life issues a few months out of warranty. They still replaced it no questions asked when I reached out to their support and asked if they offer a battery replacement service. That said, the Instinct at least isn’t a true smart watch. It doesn’t run apps, isn’t touchscreen, don’t have NFC, etc.
I love my Garmin watches but they aren’t really known for privacy or security. They had a ransomware attack in 2020 and the Connect service was down. It’s speculated that they paid the ransom.
If you can find a Pebble, they still work perfectly and the manufacturer doesn’t even exist anymore!
Hmm, fitbit bought most of the company, then Google bought them.
Shit! You just reminded me I have a Pebble Time, sitting in a drawer. I remember it being such a good watch, then I got distracted by the Samsung watch at the time.
Might see if there’s any life in it and test it out with GadgetBridge.
Rebble was easier to get working than gadget bridge. just something to consider
Thanks for that. Came across Rebble while searching for answers to problems getting the Pebble working with GB earlier today, so definitely looks like it’s worth a go.
no problem! that’s what the internet and forums are for :D
Just following up - Rebble is fantastic! Have revived the Pebble Time - will see how the battery goes over the next week or so. Thanks again for the tip!
Hey, you go it!
FYI, you can financially support Rebble and get perks like being able to reply with voice to messages. I don’t personally do so but I know people who have had success with it.
For comparison, my Pebble with everything turned off (like health tracking, apps, steps, alarms etc) and only BT on for notifications, I get about a week still
I do! My yearly subscription actually just renewed yesterday!
I’ve also used a pinetime running infinitime for the past year, and I agree that it’s not exactly feature rich. I like it though.
I’ve heard that ‘bangle.js’ is an open source watch as well, with a decent feature set.
anything that’s compatible with Gadgetbridge should be okay. it keeps everything on your phone and doesn’t even request a network permission, so the device can’t phone home.
incidentally, I’ve got the Mi Band 7 (connected via Gadgetbridge] and I quite like it.
This. I’ve been using the Fossil Collider HR with Gadgetbridge for over a year. I love it, and I love that it’s keeping my data safe
Don’t know how close this gets to what you want, but I really dig my Withings steel. Small watch, standard analog face with step tracking subdial and a tiny lcd display that you can set to show different stats from the watch. You need an app to set it up, since it only has a single button for input, but after that I think you can just uninstall the app and be fine for the alarms you set up, heart rate readout, and whatever custom step goal you set. Also it lasts a month on a charge, which is absolutely awesome if you hate charging these damned things as much as I do
No smartwatch. Fact is, you do not need a smartwatch. Buy an authentic analog watch. For the same price as one of these mediocre or expensive smartwatches, you can get a sustainable, repairable, durable and classy watch that can last 20-50 years easily. Coin cell battery lasts over 5 years.
Smartwatches are novelty.
For €200, you can get a Seiko, Citizen, Casio Edifice or whatnot.
Smartwatches do have features an analog watch doesn’t have. I’m pretty sure OP already knows about the existence of analog watches.
What features are these, that are useful and not novelty for the first 2 weeks of “new shiny product” honeymoon period?
throwing it away in 3 years is the best feature
* if you use it carefully as intended under lab conditions
You might get 2 years at best with rough use. The fact that these corporations have made advanced throwaway novelty junk for people to consume more, and people happily accept it, is mind boggling.
Controlling music without taking out your phone, health stuff like heart rate sesnor or sleep recording or whatever that’s called, being able to switch clock designs when you get bored of it
You can play/pause/forward/rewind music with basically any wireless earbuds (another e-waste device like smartwatch), and even wired audio gear (what you should buy) can play/pause/forward, and if you buy a Bluetooth DAC like one from Fiio, you have an accessory that lasts across multiple audio gear with a far more granular control.
A heart rate sensor device is extremely cheap to get, and lasts 10x longer than any smartwatch ever will.
If you cannot figure out basic mathematics of sleep cycles, then a smartwatch will be unable to help you. You are better off paying for the best alarm clock app, Gentle Wakeup ($6), than buying any smartwatch for “sleep recording”. That app will last a literal lifetime on Android. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fY6J97K67E There you go, your sleep issues are fixed unless you have sleep disorders or medical conditions.
Switching clock designs on a device that will become e-waste in 3 years is the most horrific idea you could give to anyone, to justify buying a smartwatch. A smartwatch looks very ugly compared to any classy authentic watch with a stainless steel or chrome strap, and is incomparably durable as well.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=-fY6J97K67E
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Reading my blood sugar off my CGM without taking my insulin pump out of my pocket is huge actually. I’m using a $25 pinetime for that.
You could get a blood sugar reading device like AccuChek that is far, far superior, and lasts for decades. It samples your blood and is the size of a couple small smartphones, is repairable and durable. Not to mention, about as accurate as it gets commercially.
The machine costs $10 with 10 vial strips. A 50 strip vial pack costs ~$14. The machine is made for medical usage.
I guess you don’t know what a Continuous Glucose Monitor is. It’s a medical device that is attached to my arm with an adhesive pad that monitors my blood sugar continuously, and reports it over bluetooth to my phone. What you’re talking about is a glucometer which I also have (freestyle lite)
What is the need for a CGM? My grandma is far more ill than you ever could be, and she does not require a CGM, even though her blood sugar levels can fall off to 20-30 at times. Diagnosing yourself periodically should be the norm, as opposed to hooking yourself up with a statistical machine for something like this.Misunderstood the phrasing.
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Are you for real here? Reducing the dependability on user interactions also reduces the chance for user error, and helps keep people alive in some cases. Even if that weren’t the case, it’s not your place to call out someone’s medical treatments and compare them to your (at best) anecdotal experiences. It’s not outrageous to want a CGM.
For me it’s easily paying subway fare, seeing notifications, leaving my phone home for a quick errand (but could make a call if absolutely necessary). I have a small child, so having hands free abilities is great. If I could degoogle it and run only open source linux/android, I would. But nfc payments will never work with such a thing even if the software existed.
There are not many people that can be so crafty and clever with making use of these shiny novelty gadgets. If you really are in the teeny tiny percentage of people that genuinely leverage them to improve life quality, only then is it worth for you to buy these things.
Most people, unlike you, simply do not leverage them, and purchase them as a trashy substitute for a great traditional longlasting watch, or as a fashion/trend accessory.
I ride a motocycle and listen to books in my helmet, I got a pinetime (great btw) so I can control my audio and have gps. Other then gluing a phone to my gas tank (I have done, its not safe or good) there is not really an option other then a watch.
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This is the correct answer. I used to wear a smartwatch before realizing most of the features were useless or actively annoying, and a regular watch will tell me the time just as well and doesn’t need to constantly be charged. Do you really want your wrist to buzz every time you get an e-mail? If you’re going to spend €50 on a smartwatch, spend it on a Casio instead, that’s what I did and it’s much better value for money.
Spent about $150 on an Edifice back during high school days. I graduated from college. This thing still works amazingly, though I have gotten bored and now want to change it. Wondering what would be good, analog Edifice/Seiko, G-Shock or a Casio terrorist watch.
I’ve mad a MiBand 6 for a while now - seems solid and you could, in theory grab all the data from it and process it yourself (via the Notify app). I don’t know exactly how bolted down it is privacy-wise though.
MiBand 6
The latest 7 looks very nice. 16 days battery life, 5 days with always-on apparently… sadly if you want to pair it with your phone, you need the Xiaomi App and then (as OP asked) you get trapped in privacy Hell and send all your data (Health, Location, User Content, Financial Information, Contact Info and identifiers) to china. At least on iOS as I can read in the App-Store description. Bummer. It looks like a nice watch.
You can just use gadgetbridge after the initial pairing and key generation. You need to install the xiaomi app once in some burner phone with empty contacts, or maybe you can pair it without giving it access to contacts first. Once you have the key (described in the gadgetbridge guide) you can just dump the official app and use GB without using any xiaomi data/servers.
You could always go with an older version - mine’s never been on the Xiaomi app and is merrily feeding the data to my Raspberry Pi.
Ah, thats good to know. I also saw a blog post for a way to use it without the App by using a modded App APK on Android were you can extract the auth-Key… but that was way to complicated. I wish there were an open standard for digital watches to enable sync of data with the OS of choice without going through a proprietary app. I will look into the RPI Solution. Thanks.
I imagine the manufacturers would fight that all the way to the courts.
As best as I can tell Notify for Mi Band isn’t from Xiaomi, they produce a number of similar apps that give you control over your phone and a key that allows Home Assistant (and I am sure other services) to pull in the data and you are away. Apparently, it’s a relatively recent update that means you don’t have to do any workarounds - it’s straight through the app and should work for all Mi Bands and Amazfits.
Pebble is peak smartwatch. Fight me on it, I wont change my mind. Its just smart enough, without being too smart. Battery lasts for days, its waterproof, and side buttons instead if some impossible to use tiny-ass touchscreen. Perfection.
Pebble is a discontinued smartwatch developed by Pebble Technology Corporation.
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Who got eaten up by Fitbit, who got eaten up by Google. 😭
Garmin does that too if you want to buy something from a company that still exists.
Fossil offers a hybrid smartwatch now to full those shoes. I really liked mine when I had one, but it didn’t fit my hands free needs well enough.
I would say amazefit is the better option, check the compatibility with gardggetbride before buying.
I bought an Amazefit bip 3 years ago and am using Master for Amazefit, sadly the developer stopped updating the app. The watch/band supports only step counter, heart rate measure, sleep tracking. So, whatever options the app provides work fine for me.
I need to look for other app options when I upgrade.
Sleep tracking? I’m ootl with smart watches in general so forgive this ignorant comment, but I assume for this to work…you have to sleep with the watch on?
Yes. Have to wear the watch while sleeping.
Cool, thanks for the clarification. Did it take some getting used to and/or are you a pretty heavy sleeper? Interested in the sleep tracker aspect but unsure if it would be useful if it ended up disturbing sleeping more.
I wear my amazfit bip 24/7. It’s small and light, it’s not a chunky watch.
Battery life of about two to three weeks means it can stay on my wrist without the nightly charging routine.
I’m waiting for the next batch of Watchy’s so i can’t say if it is any good, but I have high hopes. They have a handy spec comparison chart between Watchy, Pine time, Bangle.js, and the beloved Pebble.
I have a Watchy. It’s nice if you’d want to tinker easily, but it’s very bulky and cheap in feel even compared to a pinetime.
Personally this has been the most feature rich/open source one I could find, and it’s what I ended up going for, there’s an opensource app store, direct integration with gadgetbridge, a decent always on display much like the amazfit bip S, which also means a long battery life.
That’s the closest thing I’ve found to my dear departed Pebble
Yep saw that but it said standby time which is not equivalent to normal usage battery life.
This is pretty amazing, I was not expecting it to be such a reasonable price considering the specs. What’s the battery life like?
On the website, it says the battery life’s 4 weeks.
It can get up to 4 weeks, though my experience is closer to 4 days to a couple of weeks, I think it depends heavily on what apps you’re using, how much you’re moving about and how much stuff you’re installing
That’s the closest thing I’ve found to my dear departed Pebble
